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Old 01-03-2014   #21
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I had a sales manager, gazillion years ago who reminded us daily, "Don't be afraid to address the obvious." in my mind that's all McNair and Smith did when "announcing" that the number one pick could be had in a trade. I did like the idea of McNair going some version of its up for trade and smith coming back sort of saying but we are not giving it away.

Fans and media both talk about top picks being traded way more than it actually functionally happens. the last time the 1st pick was traded was when whined Eli whined his way out San Diego to New York so that was not even a normal trade.

The RGIII was the last true blockbuster in my mind near the top of the draft although there have been a handful of lesser trades in the top 5 in the last ten or so years if my memory is working.

There is around a 10% percent chance that some team bites in my mind, but I see nothing wrong with McSmith stating what everybody already should have known just so there is no confusion.
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I'd like the Texans to trade down so the mention from McNair that they would consider a trade down sounds good to me.

Admittedly it has no significance at this time. It's just a comment.
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I'd like the Texans to trade down so the mention from McNair that they would consider a trade down sounds good to me.

Admittedly it has no significance at this time. It's just a comment.
Agreed.

While it isn't earth-shattering news and does not actually indicate a likelihood of a trade, he rejected the alternative option of saying, "we like where we are at. we are only a couple players away and think the value is there for us to go get a QB... "

While that may seem an unwise thing to say, owners and GMs have been known to do it. I remember when the Redskins actually traded into late round one a couple weeks before the draft and announced, at that point, they intended to take Jason Campbell with the pick.

Beyond Dan Snyder and Vinnie Cerratta buffoonery, though, the manner/tone by which McNair answered the question indicated clear willingness to move down and not simply lip service... It seems to me that they've already had discussions about it, which is a good thing.
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He then names a paltry amount and asks if she would still be willing to sleep with him for the revised fee. The woman is greatly offended and replies as follows:

She: What kind of woman do you think I am?

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Wonder if anyone will get the reference. I don't think they will. Stranger in a strange land.
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Default Re: Bob McNair open to trading No. 1 pick

Marshall is correct. We should make sure everyone knows our pick is available & the price is reasonable. We're not itching to get rid of it, we're not expecting more than fair value.

Now we need the draft machine to settle on who the best player in the draft is. If one player emerges & he happens to be someone the Rams wants & we handle our business in Free Agency, we'll get more & more trade partners, & may have to weed through several trade offers.
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Wonder if anyone will get the reference. I don't think they will. Stranger in a strange land.
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He: Weve already established that. Now were just haggling over the price.




Tough crowd.
That's almost a George Bernard Shaw quote. He was in a carriage in London with a high-society lady. As they passed Soho and saw prostitutes soliciting customers, the woman was digusted and asked George how could these women debase themselves to this level? George asked the woman, "Suppose you had no money and your child was ill with an illness that only an expensive operation could cure. Would you do it?" The woman said, "Well perhaps under those circumstances." George then said, " Well, we already have established what you are, and now are just dickering about the price."
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Texans trade for Ryan Mallet, already knows O'Brien's system, trade down from the #1 pick for more picks and stock pile to fill greater holes....
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Texans trade for Ryan Mallet, already knows O'Brien's system, trade down from the #1 pick for more picks and stock pile to fill greater holes....
But then you'd cry about us being "Patriots 2.0.". I really wonder why anyone really wants Mallett at starter, he's dumb as hell and if he was such a hot commodity, someone would've traded for him by now.
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But then you'd cry about us being "Patriots 2.0.". I really wonder why anyone really wants Mallett at starter, he's dumb as hell and if he was such a hot commodity, someone would've traded for him by now.
Well hell if you are gonna go, go all in! You think he is dumb or that teams saw what happened when Matt Cassell left the Patriots system and was an ultimate fail, so why even bother?

If Mallet is running the same system under O'Brien, shouldn't he flourish, in theory?
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This... is the loser mindset that we must get away from. Ryan is a back up quarterback for a team that has a franchise qb. We are not trying to be the junior varsity version of the New England Patriots... we are building a team to beat them and everyone else to win the superbowl.
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The suspense and uncertainty of it all. We have barely gotten into the debate of Bridgewater vs. Clowney at #1 and I'm already getting tired of it. I'm ready for them to make a decision and it's not going to come for another five months. Thank God there is playoff football, the Winter Olympics, March Madness & baseball to get me through until the NFL draft gets here...
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I hope Smith and O'Brien stay as far as humanly possible from this mindset. Names like the following should be all the reason anybody needs as evidence against this. Kolb, Cassell, Flynn and to aaa lesser extent Schaub. A team needs star level talent to win in the NFL and Mallett ain't that.
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I hope Smith and O'Brien stay as far as humanly possible from this mindset. Names like the following should be all the reason anybody needs as evidence against this. Kolb, Cassell, Flynn and to aaa lesser extent Schaub. A team needs star level talent to win in the NFL and Mallett ain't that.
Getting a player like Mallet (depending on what you have to give up) only allows us more flexibility in the draft. It allows us the ability to trade out of the first spot, picking up more picks (early picks) & acquiring more talented players.

It also gives us the ability to take the best non-QB available, then get a talented "star" level QB later in the draft..... Bortles, Manziel, Hundley, Mettenberger, even if we have to trade back into the first to do it.

Then of course if we draft a QB with the #1 overall, we don't have to just give him the job. Let him earn it
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I hope Smith and O'Brien stay as far as humanly possible from this mindset. Names like the following should be all the reason anybody needs as evidence against this. Kolb, Cassell, Flynn and to aaa lesser extent Schaub. A team needs star level talent to win in the NFL and Mallett ain't that.
Drew Brees
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Russell Wilson
Nick Foles
Alex Smith
Andy Dalton

All are starting QBs in these playoffs: None of those guys were drafted or signed as free agents with a widely held belief that they would be "star talent".

If O'brien believes in Mallett and can get him at a good price, then I am for it. To your point, though: I don't want our organization to look for a serviceable QB that could work well-enough.
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Getting a player like Mallet (depending on what you have to give up) only allows us more flexibility in the draft. It allows us the ability to trade out of the first spot, picking up more picks (early picks) & acquiring more talented players.

It also gives us the ability to take the best non-QB available, then get a talented "star" level QB later in the draft..... Bortles, Manziel, Hundley, Mettenberger, even if we have to trade back into the first to do it.

Then of course if we draft a QB with the #1 overall, we don't have to just give him the job. Let him earn it
What has Mallet shown so far? I don`t think he can be the long term solution for us - and he would come at a price. So basically we would give up picks to get QB that probably won`t be the long term solution.

Id say sign a veteran FA QB and draft a QB with one of our first two picks...
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All are starting QBs in these playoffs: None of those guys were drafted or signed as free agents with a widely held belief that they would be "star talent".

If O'brien believes in Mallett and can get him at a good price, then I am for it. To your point, though: I don't want our organization to look for a serviceable QB that could work well-enough.
Smith and Dalton are both 1st round picks and Bress was a star coming off an injury. And none of the rest were traded for I have no problems drafting a QB outside of pick 1.1, but trading for one hardly ever works out. Especially when trading for the likes of Mallet.
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Smith and Dalton are both 1st round picks and Bress was a star coming off an injury. And none of the rest were traded for I have no problems drafting a QB outside of pick 1.1, but trading for one hardly ever works out. Especially when trading for the likes of Mallet.
Smith was not just a 1st rounder, but the #1 pick overall. The #24 pick overall was a serviceable QB named Aaron Rodgers.
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