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Old 12-10-2013   #21
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When you say franchise do you mean the Tennessee titans? Or are the Oilers history included.

If it does include the Oilers, the person(s) saying such things is psycho. I'm not sure he'd even be top 5.

I apologize in advance if I misread
I assumed he meant just the Titans without the Oilers included. Of course, that means it's just Fisher and Munchak in the running but c'est la vie.

If he is including the Oilers then... no. Just. No.
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When you say franchise do you mean the Tennessee titans? Or are the Oilers history included.

If it does include the Oilers, the person(s) saying such things is psycho. I'm not sure he'd even be top 5.

I apologize in advance if I misread
Well I don't remember the 60s but from Bum Phillips, to Hugh campbell, to Glanville, to Pardee, to Fish, who the heck was better? This isn't an organization that has a great coaching tree. If anything it's one of the worst. Yes I include the Oilers, as that's what I grew up on 1978 onwards.
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Well I don't remember the 60s but from Bum Phillips, to Hugh campbell, to Glanville, to Pardee, to Fish, who the heck was better?
I would think 4 playoff years out of 5 would trump 6 out of 16 pretty easily.
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Well I don't remember the 60s but from Bum Phillips, to Hugh campbell, to Glanville, to Pardee, to Fish, who the heck was better? This isn't an organization that has a great coaching tree. If anything it's one of the worst. Yes I include the Oilers, as that's what I grew up on 1978 onwards.
I'd consider Bum Phillips and Jack Pardee easily better than Fisher. Maybe even Glanville even though he was only about 50%.
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I'd consider Bum Phillips and Jack Pardee easily better than Fisher. Maybe even Glanville even though he was only about 50%.
I'll stipulate Bum. But not a frigging chance on Pardee or Glanville. I remember those chokes and underachieving teams like it was yesterday. They were given SB-caliber talent and blew it, especially Pardee. At least Fish saw the SB and a 2nd AFC Championship, and this is coming from someone who is NOT a Fisher guy.
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I would think 4 playoff years out of 5 would trump 6 out of 16 pretty easily.
True, but Fisher did one thing none of the others could achieve: win an AFC championship.

I'm not a Fisher fan, but I'd have to put him in the top 5 coaches of Oilers/Titans franchise history.

My order would probably be Bum, Pardee, Fisher, Glanville...maybe Lou Rymkus for two AFL championships?
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I'll stipulate Bum. But not a frigging chance on Pardee or Glanville. I remember those chokes and underachieving teams like it was yesterday. They were given SB-caliber talent and blew it, especially Pardee. At least Fish saw the SB and a 2nd AFC Championship, and this is coming from someone who is NOT a Fisher guy.
I swear, after watching A Football Life I would hope that re-opened some people's eyes on Pardee. He does not deserve to be on anyone's "best of" lists when it comes to the Oilers. Sorry.
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I swear, after watching A Football Life I would hope that re-opened some people's eyes on Pardee. He does not deserve to be on anyone's "best of" lists when it comes to the Oilers. Sorry.
You have to remember that Pardee was operating with both hands tied behind his back. So was Holovak. Bum took complete control away from both, even more than he normally did.
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You have to remember that Pardee was operating with both hands tied behind his back. So was Holovak. Bum took complete control away from both, even more than he normally did.
His hands weren't tied on 35-3, or the loss the previous year in Denver, or when they blew homefield and the bye against a crappy Giants team the last week of the season - when they knew how critical it would be for Denver.

Yes Bud was his typical self with his cartoon-like move to bring in Buddy and not even bother telling anyone. But a stronger more assertive, confident coach either doesn't let that happen on his watch, or quits. He tried to literally ignore the circus, which was impossible.
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His hands weren't tied on 35-3, or the loss the previous year in Denver, or when they blew homefield and the bye against a crappy Giants team the last week of the season - when they knew how critical it would be for Denver.

Yes Bud was his typical self with his cartoon-like move to bring in Buddy and not even bother telling anyone. But a stronger more assertive, confident coach either doesn't let that happen on his watch, or quits. He tried to literally ignore the circus, which was impossible.
Jack Pardee never quit on anything in his life. Yeah he made some bad decisions but I think you judge too harshly.
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Jack Pardee never quit on anything in his life. Yeah he made some bad decisions but I think you judge too harshly.
I'm not judging him harshly, I just believe, while we're not talking Vince Lombardi here, that Fisher was a better coach than Pardee. Too much bad and choke happened under his watch. To me, those were the most talented teams I ever saw where the powder blue.

That said, I'd take the 1993 Pardee over 2013 Munchak. (lol I guess only to me)
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I swear, after watching A Football Life I would hope that re-opened some people's eyes on Pardee. He does not deserve to be on anyone's "best of" lists when it comes to the Oilers. Sorry.
I deeply disagree with you on this. Pardee was past his prime when he came to the Oiler's but that same terrible coaching tree you brought up pretty much assures him of a place near the top.

As was said 4 out of 5 tops 6 in 16. I have a lot of respect for Pardee. I like Fisher, always have and like most old Oiler fans I loved Bum. Fisher's third in my mind behind the other two.
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I deeply disagree with you on this. Pardee was past his prime when he came to the Oiler's but that same terrible coaching tree you brought up pretty much assures him of a place near the top.

As was said 4 out of 5 tops 6 in 16. I have a lot of respect for Pardee. I like Fisher, always have and like most old Oiler fans I loved Bum. Fisher's third in my mind behind the other two.
To each their own my friend!

I think its partially because I was there in person for 35-3. You never heal from that wound.
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I'll stipulate Bum. But not a frigging chance on Pardee or Glanville. I remember those chokes and underachieving teams like it was yesterday. They were given SB-caliber talent and blew it, especially Pardee. At least Fish saw the SB and a 2nd AFC Championship, and this is coming from someone who is NOT a Fisher guy.
Yeah, that is some pretty strong exaggeration there. Pardee had a stacked team and couldn't get anywhere with it in the post season. Biggest choke job of all time to. Glanville had some mild successes, but everyone always knew that he was pathetic. For the most part I always felt that the Titans were having success here and there, because of Fisher's coaching and not in spite of it like many other HC's. When Fisher had a good QB in Mcnair the Titans had quite a few nice seasons. I thought that Fisher made that team better than it should have been most of the time. I can't say the same thing for either Pardee or Glanville. Bum had more success when you consider the winning percentage, but it's a much smaller sample so it's hard to compare without seeing what Bum could have done in a similar period like what Fisher had.


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His hands weren't tied on 35-3, or the loss the previous year in Denver, or when they blew homefield and the bye against a crappy Giants team the last week of the season - when they knew how critical it would be for Denver.

Yes Bud was his typical self with his cartoon-like move to bring in Buddy and not even bother telling anyone. But a stronger more assertive, confident coach either doesn't let that happen on his watch, or quits. He tried to literally ignore the circus, which was impossible.
Pretty much. Good post.
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Hes probably going to Ped State anyway. Sad to see him out of the division as a HC though.
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I bet they hire Franklin .
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This is not a good season to be waiting to fire your coach a good week after the regular season has ended.

Does that make 7 firings already?? Those other 6 teams have gotten a good week head start on the Titans in their coach search and the 2 best candidates are already off the board.

Gary Kubiak anyone?
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