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Old 12-30-2013   #101
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I'm still holding out hope that he'll be fired the same way Casserly was fired; after the draft. Rick Smith out watching bowl games & McNair being the public voice of our coaching search feeds my delusion.
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Bump.

The season is over. Why does Rick Smith still have a job? Get this scrub out of here.


2007
Amobi Okoye (1) - Bust
Jacoby Jones (3) - OK
Fred Bennett (4) - Bust
Brandon Harrison (5) -Bust
Brandon Frye (5) - Bust
Kasey Studdard (6) - OK
Zac Diles (7) - Bust

2008

Duane Brown (1) - Good
Antwaun Molden (3) - Bust
Steve Slaton (3) - 1 good year
Xavier Adibi (4) - Bust
Frank Okam (5) - Bust
Dominique Barber (6) - Bust
Alex Brink (7) - Bust

2009

Brian Cushing (1) - Good
Connor Barwin (2) - Good
Antoine Caldwell (3) - Bust
Glover Quin (4) - Good
Anthony Hill (4) - Bust
James Casey (5) - OK
Brice McCain (6) - OK
Troy Nolan (7) - Bust

2010

Kareem Jackson (1) - OK
Ben Tate (2) - OK
Earl Mitchell (3) - OK
Darryl Sharpton (4) - OK
Garrett Graham (4) - Bust
Sherrick McManis (5) - Bust
Shelley Smith (6) - Bust
Trindon Holliday (6) - OK
Dorin Dickerson (7) - Bust

2011

JJ Watt (1) - Good
Brooks Reed (2) - OK
Brandon Harris (2) - Scrub
Rashad Carmichael (4) - Bust
Shiloh Keo (5) - Scrub
T.J Yates (5) - OK back-up
Derek Newton (7) - Scrub
Cheta Ozugwa (7) - Who?

2012

Whitney Mercilus (1) - OK, but not 1st round talent
DeVier Posey (2) - OK, but lots of better WRs were available
Brandon Brooks (3)
Ben Jones (4)
Keshawn Martin (4)
Jared Crick (4)
Randy Bullock (5)
Nick Mondek (6)

2013

DeAndre Hopkins (1)
D.J. Swearinger (2)
Brennan Williams (3)
Sam Montgomery (3)
Trevardo Williams (4)
David Quassenbery (6)
Alan Bonner (6)
Chris Jones (6)
Ryan Griffin (6)

Conclusion: Fire Rick Smith
What's your point? Every GM in the league picks Busts.

I think Rick is doing a fine job and I'm ok with him sticking around.
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What's your point? Every GM in the league picks Busts.

I think Rick is doing a fine job and I'm ok with him sticking around.
If you think that is a fine job by Slick Rick, then you must set very low standards.

The teams is 2-14 for a reason and Slick's draft history is a very big part of that history of suckitude.
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If you think that is a fine job by Slick Rick, then you must set very low standards.

The teams is 2-14 for a reason and Slick's draft history is a very big part of that history of suckitude.
How much did his draft history have for us going 10-6 and 12-4? How many guys have hit 2 DROY over that time span? And how much of these drafts are his choices?
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2007
Amobi Okoye (1) - Bust
Jacoby Jones (3) - OK
Fred Bennett (4) - Bust
Brandon Harrison (5) -Bust
Brandon Frye (5) - Bust
Kasey Studdard (6) - BUST
Zac Diles (7) - Bust

2008

Duane Brown (1) - Good
Antwaun Molden (3) - Bust
Steve Slaton (3) - BUST
Xavier Adibi (4) - Bust
Frank Okam (5) - Bust
Dominique Barber (6) - Bust
Alex Brink (7) - Bust

2009

Brian Cushing (1) - Good...Injury prone knocks him down to OK IMO
Connor Barwin (2) - Good
Antoine Caldwell (3) - Bust
Glover Quin (4) - Good
Anthony Hill (4) - Bust
James Casey (5) - OK
Brice McCain (6) - SCRUB....Brice MC BURN SCRUB
Troy Nolan (7) - Bust

2010

Kareem Jackson (1) - Average
Ben Tate (2) - OK
Earl Mitchell (3) - OK
Darryl Sharpton (4) - OK
Garrett Graham (4) - Bust
Sherrick McManis (5) - Bust
Shelley Smith (6) - Bust
Trindon Holliday (6) - BUST
Dorin Dickerson (7) - Bust

2011

JJ Watt (1) - AAA
Brooks Reed (2) - SCRUB
Brandon Harris (2) - Scrub
Rashad Carmichael (4) - Bust
Shiloh Keo (5) - ok
T.J Yates (5) - SCRUB
Derek Newton (7) - Scrub
Cheta Ozugwa (7) -BUST

2012

Whitney Mercilus (1) - OK, but not 1st round talent
DeVier Posey (2) SCRUB I want to like him but yeah
Brandon Brooks (3)
Ben Jones SCRUB
Keshawn Martin (4)
Jared Crick BUST
Randy Bullock SUPER BUST
Nick Mondek ..?????

2013

DeAndre Hopkins ok
D.J. Swearinger ok
Brennan Williams ..???
Sam Montgomery BUST
Trevardo Williams BUST
David Quassenbery ..???
Alan Bonner BUST
Chris Jones ..???
Ryan Griffin ok

did some tweekin


35 BUSTS

10 Ok players

4 good players

like 2 ..????? unknown players it was 4 but ill just add them two busts

and like 1 AAA player JJ WATT

I don't think that's gonna get it down LOL
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How much did his draft history have for us going 10-6 and 12-4? How many guys have hit 2 DROY over that time span? And how much of these drafts are his choices?

Don't forget finding Arian Foster.....
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I'm still holding out hope that he'll be fired the same way Casserly was fired; after the draft. Rick Smith out watching bowl games & McNair being the public voice of our coaching search feeds my delusion.
Only problem with that, TK, is that it sets up the exact same power dynamic of HC being linger tenured than GM that McNair has publicly expressed his displeasure with.

I wouldn't have been too upset if rick got the boot, but a little like kubes in 2010, in just going to get over it right away, I see plenty of arguments that plausibly diminish ricks responsibility for this current mess, and McNair is in the best position to tell whether those are fair or not.

Right now, Rick needs to be focused on where this team is headed personnel wise, we need a lot of quality guys on rookie contracts, CB is set to become a cap issue shortly die to JoJos contract, AJs contract makes him a difficult keep as soon as his production starts to dip, our oline is living off potential and possibly needs a total do over depending on scheme.

So many issues both at hand now and coming up, I think the new coaching staff will benefit from having some stability in the FO so I can support meeting rick for now.
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How much did his draft history have for us going 10-6 and 12-4? How many guys have hit 2 DROY over that time span? And how much of these drafts are his choices?
Look at his draft history, it speaks for itself.

10-6, 12-4 against a bad division

Getting blown out anytime they played upper echelon teams, color me unimpressed by Slick Rick's tenure.
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I can't believe anyone can actually say with a straight face tht Smith has done a good job in the draft. One only needs to look at the DBs and LBs he's drafted after the first to realize that he's incapable of selecting anything approaching talent there and he busts in the first round too. We have to sign free agents to make up for his inability to draft defense. He's done a terrible job with the cap as well.

He is only able to draft in the first round and I am pretty sure that that's only because the coaches have the most input in those picks. And just because he had a good UFA pick up doesn't mean he's doing a good job. And it's actually sad we had 2 UFA make the team from this past draft over players we actually drafted. Both of which we cut anyways while NE is able to use one of the players we drafted and cut as a DT who has more sacks this season than anyone we have besides Watt!

I have zero faith in Rick Smith and we will not go anywhere with that moron having any input. He spent seconds on Brooke Reed, who is the worst LB I've ever seen an Brandon Harris who can't even beat out Brice McCain. And that's a good GM?
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Only problem with that, TK, is that it sets up the exact same power dynamic of HC being linger tenured than GM that McNair has publicly expressed his displeasure with.
Not at all. The power dynamic was set up because it was Kubiak that fingered Smith for the job. He is a "F.O.G." the first actually.

If Rick gets the ax after the draft, as long as Bob doesn't as his HC to pick the next GM, it's not the same thing. McNair may be setting up a structure where all things Texans converge on him..... like a CEO. The finance guy, the Sales manager, the Production manager, head of R&D all answer to the CEO. They've got to work together, but none of them work for the other.

In Denver, that guy is John Elway. The GM doesn't work for the HC, the HC doesn't work for the GM. They both answer to John Elway.
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In Denver, that guy is John Elway. The GM doesn't work for the HC, the HC doesn't work for the GM. They both answer to John Elway.
Elway is the GM, Executive VP of Football Operations
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I can't believe anyone can actually say with a straight face tht Smith has done a good job in the draft. One only needs to look at the DBs and LBs he's drafted after the first to realize that he's incapable of selecting anything approaching talent there and he busts in the first round too. We have to sign free agents to make up for his inability to draft defense. He's done a terrible job with the cap as well.

He is only able to draft in the first round and I am pretty sure that that's only because the coaches have the most input in those picks. And just because he had a good UFA pick up doesn't mean he's doing a good job. And it's actually sad we had 2 UFA make the team from this past draft over players we actually drafted. Both of which we cut anyways while NE is able to use one of the players we drafted and cut as a DT who has more sacks this season than anyone we have besides Watt!

I have zero faith in Rick Smith and we will not go anywhere with that moron having any input. He spent seconds on Brooke Reed, who is the worst LB I've ever seen an Brandon Harris who can't even beat out Brice McCain. And that's a good GM?
I want Rick Smith fired. I've wanted him gone since 2010 more so than Gary.

You bring up some good points, but our DT going to New England says more about coaches than it does Rick Smith. It says the same thing that Demps starting & playing well for Kansas city says, not to mention returning kicks pretty well too. It says the same thing that Ben Tate's tenure in the dog house says, the same thing Brandon Harris's inability to beat out McCain says..... for some reason our coaches hold grudges against players & let "non-field" related issues keep them off the field.

In the long-term, I don't know if Kubiak's approach, demanding his players be "pros" is a good thing or not. But I know it isn't conducive to winning when less talented players are on the field & you're talented draft picks are on the sidelines.
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Elway is the GM, Executive VP of Football Operations
http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/staff-directory.html
Now... but when he was hired, Xanders was the GM. Fox was the coach. Xanders left & Elway just didn't replace him. He absorbed his duties.
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BoB/Rick/Charley/Gary make this stuff sound like brain surgery. It's not, you just have to do your homework and be willing to take risks on talented/injured players with Character flaws in the late rds. Teams that win do this regularly, and until the Texans get in the game they will continue to be a hit or miss winning team and never a true SB contender. IMHO
Ummm... didn't the Texans do this last season with Brennan Williams and Sam Montgomery, and the fans severly punished Rick for doing so.

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How many impact players did the Texans lose this offseason? 2-3? Quin/Cody/Barwin/Walter/Casey? Who else did they lose that you would say was a true impact player? They had 4 picks in the 1st 3 rds to replace these guys. If your going to be a pay your guys a kings ransom (BoB/Rick/Gary's choice) your going to lose guys. That's the way the system is set up. How do you replace them? By doing the hard work and hitting on 3-4 guys a yr.
Quin was replaced by Swearinger. Walter replaced by Hopkins. Mitchell was just as effective as Cody. Jones is a better pure FB than Casey. And Barwin was overpaid by Philly.

So in your mind, who exactly is an excellent GM? All GMs in this league miss on draft picks and lose players due to the salary cap.
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Ummm... didn't the Texans do this last season with Brennan Williams and Sam Montgomery, and the fans severly punished Rick for doing so.
Yeah... they need to get better. Then they won't be as severely punished.

Didn't last draft seem a bit "panicked" & out of character to you?
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In the salary cap era "you have got to have coaches who are teachers," because you rely on a lot of young players, Smith says. #Texans
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"Got to have a little charisma and personality" Speaking glowingly about O"Brien and his recommendations. #Texans

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Smith mentions accountability and toughness. Says games are won and lost in first and last five minutes. #Texans
"We identified the traits and characteristics that we were looking for in the next head coach, but then we also looked at our organization and our team and we tried to look at where we felt like where we were deficient and how could we look to improve those areas. Once we did that, one of the things that I think Bob just talked about was intelligence. Intelligence, innovative, flexibility - that was one of the things that we were looking for. From a football perspective that happens from game to game, whether you are talking about a personnel grouping or how you attack defenses, or how you attack offenses, but the ability to be innovative or flexible that way [is an ability that] you have to have.

You come out in the first half and you have a game plan that you worked on all week, but then you have to adjust and be innovative - flexible that way. But then over the course of a football season you have to have that same ability. We were tied for first with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with number of guys that were on injured reserve with sixteen, and so you've got to be able to adjust and adapt to those changing circumstances. Conversely the Green Bay Packers were actually third with fifteen and they're in the playoffs, so you've got to be able to do that over the course of a football season and being innovative and flexible and intelligent is one of the things that we think Bill represents."
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Is Rick Smith being held accountable? Were all mistakes leading up to this past seasons collapse solely on Head Coach, Gary Kubiak?

When Rick reached out his hand to shake Bill O'Brian hand, end of press conference, to me felt uncomfortable & awkward.
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