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Old 12-31-2013   #421
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I think we should try to trade down, pick Jake Matthews, grab AJ McCarron in the 2nd or 3rd, and then build depth with the rest.
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This throw is a definite no-no in the NFL. As impressive as it is that he gets it to the WR and in a fairly tight spot at that, that is like the most ridiculous (in a lot of bad ways) throw I've seen made in awhile. He's not just throwing off his back foot, he's almost parallel with the ground before he lets it go almost submarine style. I haven't seen quite as many throws from Teddy where he kind of yolo's em out there quite that badly but he did make the throw and it did go for a TD and it wasn't like the receiver bailed him out either.

EDIT: okay parallel is a complete exaggeration but he's doing the worst kind of backfoot throw and his motion while releasing is weird as hell.
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This throw is a definite no-no in the NFL. As impressive as it is that he gets it to the WR and in a fairly tight spot at that, that is like the most ridiculous (in a lot of bad ways) throw I've seen made in awhile. He's not just throwing off his back foot, he's almost parallel with the ground before he lets it go almost submarine style. I haven't seen quite as many throws from Teddy where he kind of yolo's em out there quite that badly but he did make the throw and it did go for a TD and it wasn't like the receiver bailed him out either.

EDIT: okay parallel is a complete exaggeration but he's doing the worst kind of backfoot throw and his motion while releasing is weird as hell.
The WR had like 3-4 steps on the defender and Teddy threw it nearly out of the end zone. It wasn't a risky throw.
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The WR had like 3-4 steps on the defender and Teddy threw it nearly out of the end zone. It wasn't a risky throw.
His mechanics completely broke down there and I don't think an NFL DB is giving that much space to a guy in the end zone. The risk in the throw came from the mechanics he used to get it threre more than the decision to throw the ball.
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Have you seen the Texans secondary?
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His mechanics completely broke down there and I don't think an NFL DB is giving that much space to a guy in the end zone. The risk in the throw came from the mechanics he used to get it threre more than the decision to throw the ball.
Agreed, but if the space isn't there, I doubt he makes the throw.
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I would be OK with that, With or without Teddy the Texans aren't winning the SB next yr. So I'm willing to wait a yr and get a Luck/RG3 type QB in 2015. Instant gratification seems to be the phrase of the day.
This is a very risky proposition. There are several things that could go wrong here:

1. Draft position - who knows where we end up drafting next season. Luck/RG3 types typically go in the top 3 - everything lower than that means there are some questionmarks.

2. No prospect is a lock. This year we can take who we like most. It is not a guarantee that he pans out, but there also is no guarantee that any one of next years QB pans out. There always are several QBs that scouts and fans love that just doesn`t make it in the NFL. Difference is, we can take any one we like this year, we won`t have that luxury next year.

We basically have the chance to take the highest rated QB this year - or hope that anyone worth a damn will be available when we pick next year. And history shows, that no sure thing will be available lower than #3 (How many later QBs pan out? For every Roethlisberger and Wilson there are 20 Gabberts and Leinarts).

I could understand this discussion if a clear top prospect was available. But there are so many questionmarks around Clowney and everybody else just seem like top5-top10 talents, but not even top 3 talents.

So, if it was really like "wait a year and you get a real franchise QB" Id be all for it. But the reality is, if there is one or even two QBs like that in next years draft we won`t be in a position to draft them or have to draft about our whole other picks to get him (remember what it took to get RG3). So, let`s hope we luck out with Bridgewater or whoever we rate highest.
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His mechanics completely broke down there and I don't think an NFL DB is giving that much space to a guy in the end zone. The risk in the throw came from the mechanics he used to get it threre more than the decision to throw the ball.
Proper mechanics would have got him sandwiched and sacked for a 6-10 yard loss. He avoided the sack, avoided a big hit, got the ball out while still looking down field and avoiding all this pressure, found an open receiver for a TD.

Yet you still find flaw in this play? Be honest with yourself. You hate Teddy B and will hate him no matter what. You likely love A&M and won't enjoy any other scenario that doesn't have us with an Aggie in the first round (Matthews or John F). Derek Newton sucks, yes, but a 4th round pick (he was a 7th) would still be more than enough of an upgrade not to waste your most important pick in years.

As a UH alumni and proud Cougar I finally got my dream this year with Case Keenum as the starting QB of the Texans. I kind of wish I could have continued being naive at this point.

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lol, hardly impossible bro. Working the pocket finds you lanes. Ask Rivers if it's been impossible for him to be a pocket passer. Stafford throws side arm quite a bit too.

While we praise Kyle Orton's high release point he got the ball batted down by Conner Barwin on a crucial 4th and short last night with 3 mins left. I thought of this in like 10 seconds off the top of my head, if I did research I could find a plethora or guys doing the "impossible".



Johnny M has sick talent, no one can deny it, he's got a few basic things working against him though.

1st and foremost is his height. We've had 2 exceptions to the rule in the last 10 years in Brees and Wilson (and I personally feel we've crowned Wilson far too early).

Why don't Texas Tech QBs ever get drafted early and succeed in the NFL? The system they come from. Don't forget Kevin Sumlin came from Texas Tech and implements a similar system in A&M. Despite what everyone believes A&M isn't SEC Football, they are still just a Big 12 team playing in the SEC.

You might recall a short gun-slinger that Sumlin coached right before Johnny Football, his name was Case Keenum. I think Johnny could win in the NFL, it's not crazy to believe it, but these are some of the knocks he has against him. In the new NFL no QBs get sat anymore unless they are playing behind a legend or not good enough to start.
They are saying Bridgewater is "too short by NFL standards" so that whole "height" knock is simply BS. In this day and age of the spread offense and playing from the shotgun, height has nothing to do with success...

Oh and Sumlin was never at Texas Tech, ever. He was an assistant at TAMU, went to Oklahoma, The HC at Houston then on the TAMU.

Reason the Tech QBs never worked out is because they were ahead of their time in the traditional NFL. They were running offense that Chip Kelley is running now in the NFL. Had that type of offense been implemented during the hey day of the Tech QB, they could have flourished.
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Have you seen the Texans secondary?
Sadly he will not be playing our secondary. I'm sure he'd love to tear up some Brice McCain but he'll have to settle for doing it in practice (but hopefully not for long).
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To me there isn't a debate. You take bridgewater. Who knows what happens with Winston or Mariotta? Winston could get in more trouble, Mariotta could suffer a terrible injury....in the meantime, a very good QB is ready for ou now and immediately upgrades your biggest need. IMHFO
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They are saying Bridgewater is "too short by NFL standards" so that whole "height" knock is simply BS. In this day and age of the spread offense and playing from the shotgun, height has nothing to do with success...

Oh and Sumlin was never at Texas Tech, ever. He was an assistant at TAMU, went to Oklahoma, The HC at Houston then on the TAMU.

Reason the Tech QBs never worked out is because they were ahead of their time in the traditional NFL. They were running offense that Chip Kelley is running now in the NFL. Had that type of offense been implemented during the hey day of the Tech QB, they could have flourished.
You're right. I was mixing up Kliff K, who was his OC. Definitely wrong there.

Graham Harrell made it to the NFL though. The only snap I saw him take he fumbled.
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Proper mechanics would have got him sandwiched and sacked for a 6-10 yard loss. He avoided the sack, avoided a big hit, got the ball out while still looking down field and avoiding all this pressure, found an open receiver for a TD.

Yet you still find flaw in this play? Be honest with yourself. You hate Teddy B and will hate him no matter what.
Just being honest. Kid threw the ball off his back foot. I don't have an issue with that as much as some, because it happens all the time in the NFL. The 11 guys on the other side of the ball get paid to make the QB do things he's not supposed to & a lot of them (JJ Watt) are pretty good at it.

He threw it off his back foot & still had enough arm to get a lot of air under that ball & the ball travels something like 40 yards down the field.

What I do have an issue with, is that the play was designed as a double move & Bridgewater didn't look at any other route. Had he rather stayed in the pocket & took a hit while trying to get the ball to one of the other two routes... I'd have more respect for his toughness & ability to read a defense.

What I don't understand is how guys will drop their shorts & are ready to have Bridgewater's baby after seeing a play like that, but hate on Johnny Manziel who makes that play look effortless.
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Just being honest. Kid threw the ball off his back foot. I don't have an issue with that as much as some, because it happens all the time in the NFL. The 11 guys on the other side of the ball get paid to make the QB do things he's not supposed to & a lot of them (JJ Watt) are pretty good at it.

He threw it off his back foot & still had enough arm to get a lot of air under that ball & the ball travels something like 40 yards down the field.

What I do have an issue with, is that the play was designed as a double move & Bridgewater didn't look at any other route. Had he rather stayed in the pocket & took a hit while trying to get the ball to one of the other two routes... I'd have more respect for his toughness & ability to read a defense.

What I don't understand is how guys will drop their shorts & are ready to have Bridgewater's baby after seeing a play like that, but hate on Johnny Manziel who makes that play look effortless.
Scroll back up to that video. there was no time for a double move to develop.

I respect you bro and like a lot of what you say, but having more respect for his toughness & ability to read a defense by taking an unnecessary big hit/sack is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard in a QB evaluation.

I think when John Football does those plays are a huge factor in why he is even considered 1st round material by SOME. If John F couldn't do those plays he would have never won a Heisman and he wouldn't even be mentioned on ESPN the volume he is.

If John Football was 6'3" or taller EVERYONE would AT LEAST be talking about and considering him. If John Football was 6'3"+ AND played in a pro style offense I don't doubt for a second this whole Teddy B thread would be about John Football. I know he'd definitely be hard for me not to consider and I've been a Teddy B fan for a long time.
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What I don't understand is how guys will drop their shorts & are ready to have Bridgewater's baby after seeing a play like that, but hate on Johnny Manziel who makes that play look effortless.
Because Bridgewater makes that play only when he has to. The rest of the game he's standing tall in the pocket, facing down the blitz, and delivering strikes. Exactly what he's going to have to do in the NFL. Manziel makes that play 20 times a game because his game is primarily dependent on that kind of improvisation. Like you already stated, that doesn't fly in the NFL.
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I would actually like to see Teddy try to do less. By that I mean play within yourself & don't always try to make the homerun play, just throw the ball away or take the sack, he is guilty of trying to do too much at times & that will get him into trouble in the NFL.
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Proper mechanics would have got him sandwiched and sacked for a 6-10 yard loss. He avoided the sack, avoided a big hit, got the ball out while still looking down field and avoiding all this pressure, found an open receiver for a TD.

Yet you still find flaw in this play? Be honest with yourself. You hate Teddy B and will hate him no matter what. You likely love A&M and won't enjoy any other scenario that doesn't have us with an Aggie in the first round (Matthews or John F). Derek Newton sucks, yes, but a 4th round pick (he was a 7th) would still be more than enough of an upgrade not to waste your most important pick in years.

As a UH alumni and proud Cougar I finally got my dream this year with Case Keenum as the starting QB of the Texans. I kind of wish I could have continued being naive at this point.
I've thought that Teddy B would be the best QB in this draft class since his bowl game last season. I like the way he throws the ball, uses the pocket, and his ball placement.

That throw is more akin to Manziel than it is to Bridgewater, and at the college level sure it works. But if your QB's mechanics break down like that, then that is not a good pass, and for what it's worth his mechanics look awful in that one particular throw. All of the other highlights I'm perfectly fine with and are great throws at the college and NFL levels. Just not that particular one.
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I've thought that Teddy B would be the best QB in this draft class since his bowl game last season. I like the way he throws the ball, uses the pocket, and his ball placement.

That throw is more akin to Manziel than it is to Bridgewater, and at the college level sure it works. But if your QB's mechanics break down like that, then that is not a good pass, and for what it's worth his mechanics look awful in that one particular throw. All of the other highlights I'm perfectly fine with and are great throws at the college and NFL levels. Just not that particular one.
I don`t really know what is wrong with that throw - at least not much. Sure, throwing off the back foot is not what you are supposed to do. But looking at that play, he extended the play, avoided the big hit, continued to look down field and threw a great ball. Awkward technique, sure, but he placed the ball where the defender had no chance to catch it while the wide receiver had a great chance. It looked like he knew he had the ability to place the ball where he wanted to.

Sure, he might have missed a read - but when bodies are flying at you, everybody misses a read, even Peyton. And he showed in the past that he is willing to take a big hit, but in this play it was the right thing to avoid it - not only for that game but also for his career.

So, even though there might be some minor nitpicks with that play - overall it was a great play. You want to see a QB being able to avoid pressure while keep looking down field and you want your QB to be able to deliver a great ball even when the pocket is collapsing and he can`t stand tall. Guys like Favre did it all the time. Teddy is a pocket passer first and foremost, but he is elite (for college QBs) in avoiding pressure and make things happen when the line collapses.
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