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Old 12-30-2013   #821
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In 2009 Steve Young said before the texans played the Eagles in Philadelphia on a monday night that Matt Schaub is never the reason Texans won games and when your quarterback is never the reason why your team wins that's a huge problem. Y'all stuck on a figure of speech at the end of the day Schaub doesn't have what it takes to lead a team to the super bowl and win. He never will win or get to the super bowl unless he is a backup like David Carr... it is what it is.
So Steve Young is the FINAL WORD? I suppose he doesn't remember the TEAM he had around him, most had already gone to Superbowls, but HE has the IT factor? How arrogant.
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And my point is that the pre-injury Schaub WAS a guy who was a reason our team won games and he WAS a guy who put us into a position to win more. You're looking at the Schaub of the past couple of seasons and saying he was a guy who could NEVER win a SB and ignoring the guy he was prior to that. And the guy he was prior to that was a guy who could have won SB teams if he had been in the right situation. And he was a guy who WAS in the right situation at the right time in 2011... until a QB sneak and a broken foot.

Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Trent Dilfer, Ben Roethlisberger, Brad Johnson... these guys are all guys who had to be in the right situation at the right time to win a SB. You could even include the 2nd year Tom Brady in there. Schaub, at his best, was one of those guys. The post-injury Schaub is not.

What I don't like is for people to re-write history and hate on a guy who's played and worked hard for this team and treat them like they're crap. Schaub was a really good QB... not a great QB and not a world-beater. But he wasn't a scrub.

Even Carr wasn't horrible his entire time here. It's really easy to get a case of selective memory and hate on Carr and say he was never anything but if you go back and check the games, that's not the case.
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And my point is that the pre-injury Schaub WAS a guy who was a reason our team won games and he WAS a guy who put us into a position to win more. You're looking at the Schaub of the past couple of seasons and saying he was a guy who could NEVER win a SB and ignoring the guy he was prior to that. And the guy he was prior to that was a guy who could have won SB teams if he had been in the right situation. And he was a guy who WAS in the right situation at the right time in 2011... until a QB sneak and a broken foot.

Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Trent Dilfer, Ben Roethlisberger, Brad Johnson... these guys are all guys who had to be in the right situation at the right time to win a SB. You could even include the 2nd year Tom Brady in there. Schaub, at his best, was one of those guys. The post-injury Schaub is not.

What I don't like is for people to re-write history and hate on a guy who's played and worked hard for this team and treat them like they're crap. Schaub was a really good QB... not a great QB and not a world-beater. But he wasn't a scrub.

Even Carr wasn't horrible his entire time here. It's really easy to get a case of selective memory and hate on Carr and say he was never anything but if you go back and check the games, that's not the case.
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So Steve Young is the FINAL WORD? I suppose he doesn't remember the TEAM he had around him, most had already gone to Superbowls, but HE has the IT factor? How arrogant.
Steve Young didn't set a record for most consecutive interceptions thrown in games and he has a ring. He got the job done no matter you like it or not so his opinion is highly respected around the league.
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And my point is that the pre-injury Schaub WAS a guy who was a reason our team won games and he WAS a guy who put us into a position to win more. You're looking at the Schaub of the past couple of seasons and saying he was a guy who could NEVER win a SB and ignoring the guy he was prior to that. And the guy he was prior to that was a guy who could have won SB teams if he had been in the right situation. And he was a guy who WAS in the right situation at the right time in 2011... until a QB sneak and a broken foot.

Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Trent Dilfer, Ben Roethlisberger, Brad Johnson... these guys are all guys who had to be in the right situation at the right time to win a SB. You could even include the 2nd year Tom Brady in there. Schaub, at his best, was one of those guys. The post-injury Schaub is not.

What I don't like is for people to re-write history and hate on a guy who's played and worked hard for this team and treat them like they're crap. Schaub was a really good QB... not a great QB and not a world-beater. But he wasn't a scrub.

Even Carr wasn't horrible his entire time here. It's really easy to get a case of selective memory and hate on Carr and say he was never anything but if you go back and check the games, that's not the case.
The other quarterbacks you mention were either elite or not elite but put in a situation where they could succeed easier by relying on the defense or their running game. The issue with Schaub is when the team was losing games or down by 14 to 28 points is when he played his best ball. When Schaub was finally put in a situation to win super bowls he was either hurt or literally choking under pressure of big games to the point where he couldn't be shielded by conservative or systematic gameplanning. In other words Schaub's biggest weakness was too big to be shielded to where he could win like Trent Dilfer or who ever else was a system qb. But go ahead and blame to offensive line, the coach, GM or then defense... do what we been doing since the 70's in Houston. When there is no pressure Schaub was always really good in his prime because there was nothing to play for but pride... under pressure especially playoffs he has always been what we know he is right now.
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When there is no pressure Schaub was always really good in his prime because there was nothing to play for but pride... under pressure especially playoffs he has always been what we know he is right now.

I'm not disagreeing with your overall point, but how do you draw that conclusion about how Schaub performed in playoffs when he only ever played in two playoff games and won one of those two?
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I'm not disagreeing with your overall point, but how do you draw that conclusion about how Schaub performed in playoffs when he only ever played in two playoff games and won one of those two?
This is my opinion. I've seen so many season games that were pressure games that he completely choked in I just knew in the playoffs he would be horrible. That Cincinnati game we are up 6-0 and he throws a pick 6. I was happy we won and the defense and Arian Foster showed up big to hide his inefficiencies but I knew then we weren't going pass the next game no matter who we played.
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The "IT" factor is BS. The "IT" factor is not a measurable...
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two most important things to look for in a franchise QB,

1, Is he good looking enough?

I cannot stress that enough. Have you ever seen an ugly ass quarterback win the superbowl? Be a consistently great quarterback year in year out? There's a reason for that. If you are handsome, you get the girl, you get the girl, guys look up to you and want to follow you. It is a integral part of being a leader.

Just look at all the legendary great champions who were the leaders of their team across all sports from basketball, tennis, olympics, soccer, formula one racing etc....

Its is a very strong common denominator. You have to look the part (and dress the part) to be the part.

2, Does he have a great cool sounding name?

Peyton Manning. Tom Brady. Joe Montana. John Elway. Drew Brees. Steve Young. Matt Schaub.

Who doesnt belong in that list? Name me a great quarterback that has a sorry, boring, ugly name that was consistently great.

Why do you think hollywood actors change their name? tom cruise wouldnt be tom cruise if he went with tomas malpohter. Olivia wilde would not be where she is today if she went with her real last name cockburn. Look att boxing superstar floyd mayweeather jr., he had to change his name from floyd sinclair to floyd mayweather to become money may. Sugar Ray Robinson wouuldnt be the greatest p4p #1 boxer of all time if he went with walkter smith.

Its karmic destiny to greatness if you have the right name.

If GMs just followed these two untapped supreme analytic criteria, they wouldnt get fired so much.

Its that easy and scientific.
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The other quarterbacks you mention were either elite or not elite but put in a situation where they could succeed easier by relying on the defense or their running game. The issue with Schaub is when the team was losing games or down by 14 to 28 points is when he played his best ball. When Schaub was finally put in a situation to win super bowls he was either hurt or literally choking under pressure of big games to the point where he couldn't be shielded by conservative or systematic gameplanning. In other words Schaub's biggest weakness was too big to be shielded to where he could win like Trent Dilfer or who ever else was a system qb. But go ahead and blame to offensive line, the coach, GM or then defense... do what we been doing since the 70's in Houston. When there is no pressure Schaub was always really good in his prime because there was nothing to play for but pride... under pressure especially playoffs he has always been what we know he is right now.
Um... Isn't the bolded exactly what you want from a QB with the "IT" factor? You can't come back from a 14-28 point deficit unless the QB has the IT factor but the QB can only play offense. It's up to his defense to stop the other team from scoring more points. A QB that doesn't have the IT factor folds in those situations or gives up -- like Blaine Gabbert or Josh Freeman.

By the time he got a team around him, it was too late and I'm not going to blame the guy for getting a lisfranc injury from Fat Albert falling on his foot. If we're going to blame anyone for Schaub lacking the IT factor, it should be Smithiak because they couldn't find a Defense Coordinator that was worth a damn.
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Um... Isn't the bolded exactly what you want from a QB with the "IT" factor? You can't come back from a 14-28 point deficit unless the QB has the IT factor but the QB can only play offense. It's up to his defense to stop the other team from scoring more points. A QB that doesn't have the IT factor folds in those situations or gives up -- like Blaine Gabbert or Josh Freeman.

By the time he got a team around him, it was too late and I'm not going to blame the guy for getting a lisfranc injury from Fat Albert falling on his foot. If we're going to blame anyone for Schaub lacking the IT factor, it should be Smithiak because they couldn't find a Defense Coordinator that was worth a damn.
Yeah as long as the QB can finish that last drive to win the game and not lose close. Most of his stats in his good years were in situations where we were down by a lot and the pressure was not as hard.
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Steve Young didn't set a record for most consecutive interceptions thrown in games and he has a ring. He got the job done no matter you like it or not so his opinion is highly respected around the league.
Congratulations. He took a well oiled machine put together by Walsh with Montana and didn't destroy it. I'm not comparing them as players, but his opinions are only slightly better than Joe Dirt.
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Yeah as long as the QB can finish that last drive to win the game and not lose close. Most of his stats in his good years were in situations where we were down by a lot and the pressure was not as hard.
And if he finishes that last drive but leaves 45 seconds on the clock. And the defense allows the other team to score and win the game, who's that on? And if he puts the team in a position to win a couple of times in the last couple of minutes but the kicker misses relatively easy kicks, who's that on? Or how about when the QB is in a tied game and with 20 seconds left throws the ball to a guy to get us into FG position and the guy fumbles and then the other team marches down the field in 16 seconds and scores a TD to win the game with no time on the clock, Does that mean the QB doesn't have "IT"?

In his best year, that happened over and over and over again. It's very easy to forget that when you're just looking at wins and losses.
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And if he finishes that last drive but leaves 45 seconds on the clock. And the defense allows the other team to score and win the game, who's that on? And if he puts the team in a position to win a couple of times in the last couple of minutes but the kicker misses relatively easy kicks, who's that on? Or how about when the QB is in a tied game and with 20 seconds left throws the ball to a guy to get us into FG position and the guy fumbles and then the other team marches down the field in 16 seconds and scores a TD to win the game with no time on the clock, Does that mean the QB doesn't have "IT"?

In his best year, that happened over and over and over again. It's very easy to forget that when you're just looking at wins and losses.
Every game lost is not literally the qb's fault but no matter how the team wins the qb ironically gets the most credit because he is the leader... it's a huge responsibility. Schaub had his chances where he could have done more but it wasn't enough. The Texans tried to make everything perfect around him and they got close to doing that. At the end of the day when it mattered most again Schaub didn't get it done. I wish his teammates could have played more perfect for him but it didn't happen. I also hate that he wasn't given more control of the offense earlier in his career but wait when Kubiak was gone he finally got it and again in big moments he threw picks. I don't make injury excuses for guys but it's not even about the foot injury... it's more about showing up big in a positive way consistently in crucial moments of the game moreso in the playoffs. Schaub didn't show that but was quick to call out the team when he didn't... but the QB is the leader so he needed to set the example with more game winning drives on a more consistent pace.
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And if he finishes that last drive but leaves 45 seconds on the clock. And the defense allows the other team to score and win the game, who's that on? And if he puts the team in a position to win a couple of times in the last couple of minutes but the kicker misses relatively easy kicks, who's that on? Or how about when the QB is in a tied game and with 20 seconds left throws the ball to a guy to get us into FG position and the guy fumbles and then the other team marches down the field in 16 seconds and scores a TD to win the game with no time on the clock, Does that mean the QB doesn't have "IT"?

In his best year, that happened over and over and over again. It's very easy to forget that when you're just looking at wins and losses.
It would probably be easier to just go pick up your guitar and learn all of the Mahavishnu Orchestra guitar solos than have this argument.
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It would probably be easier to just go pick up your guitar and learn all of the Mahavishnu Orchestra guitar solos than have this argument.
I've already learned all of the Mahavishnu Orchestra guitar solos.

Well.

All of the ORIGINAL Mahavishnu Orchestra guitar solos.
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I've already learned all of the Mahavishnu Orchestra guitar solos.

Well.

All of the ORIGINAL Mahavishnu Orchestra guitar solos.
That's impressive!
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That's impressive!


I was joking.

Back in the mid-70's, when I was 14-15 and I'd learned several guitar solos (Stairway, Jessica, etc.), I made a vow that I wouldn't learn any more guitar solos because I didn't want my style overly influenced by other players. I was a huge Frank Zappa, Bill Nelson, and John McLaughlin freak at the time.

But I listened to some songs (especially Mahavishnu Orchestra) so much that what I "hear" and try to translate to the fretboard is extremely influenced by McLaughlin. I never sat down and picked the solos off the albums, though.
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Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck View Post


I was joking.

Back in the mid-70's, when I was 14-15 and I'd learned several guitar solos (Stairway, Jessica, etc.), I made a vow that I wouldn't learn any more guitar solos because I didn't want my style overly influenced by other players. I was a huge Frank Zappa, Bill Nelson, and John McLaughlin freak at the time.

But I listened to some songs (especially Mahavishnu Orchestra) so much that what I "hear" and try to translate to the fretboard is extremely influenced by McLaughlin. I never sat down and picked the solos off the albums, though.
lol.

Cool, that's how I am too.

Can't seem to play the same thing twice, even if I try.
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