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Old 12-30-2013   #801
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Will Schaub lead a team to a AFC Championship game in his career? Did his qbr take the texans there? Tom Brady is successful because he shows up in big games. Does he win every year? No. He has won games... late 4th quarter with seconds left games... he has done that many many times. The texans wasn't even asking Schaub to be Brady... just be half of Brady but don't literally lose the games for us. Most were in denial about Schaub but if you are honest about it Schaub was overrated hence the contract the texans signed him to. I know this thread is about the future head coach Bill O'Brien who would have had Schaub outta here or benched all long time ago.
So. When Brady was drafted, did have have "IT"? Did you watch him at Michigan and say to yourself "Wow. That guy has IT!" How about when Kurt Warner was drafted? How about Mark Sanchez?

Now, you're looking at a broken Schaub and say, "Well, he never had 'IT' because he never won any big games." Which is BS. He won a lot of big games and if he'd had a decent defense for most of his time here, he would have won a lot more. He's led drives to win games in the last seconds lots of times... only to leave a few seconds on the clock and have his defense let him down.

How much of "IT" did Brady have that 18-1 season? Not quite enough to beat Eli, huh? And why is that? Is it because of a lack of "IT" or because Eli had more of "IT"? No, it's because Brady's defense let him down and because Eli made some hail-mary throws and other guys on the team stepped up and made plays.

"IT" is a BS tautology. It's magic. It's Santa Claus.
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So. When Brady was drafted, did have have "IT"? Did you watch him at Michigan and say to yourself "Wow. That guy has IT!" How about when Kurt Warner was drafted? How about Mark Sanchez?

Now, you're looking at a broken Schaub and say, "Well, he never had 'IT' because he never won any big games." Which is BS. He won a lot of big games and if he'd had a decent defense for most of his time here, he would have won a lot more. He's led drives to win games in the last seconds lots of times... only to leave a few seconds on the clock and have his defense let him down.

How much of "IT" did Brady have that 18-1 season? Not quite enough to beat Eli, huh? And why is that? Is it because of a lack of "IT" or because Eli had more of "IT"? No, it's because Brady's defense let him down and because Eli made some hail-mary throws and other guys on the team stepped up and made plays.

"IT" is a BS tautology. It's magic. It's Santa Claus.
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Nope you assumed I'm making all about the "it" factor. It's not when evaluating every qb. It's just with Schaub it's a glaring weakness that plagues him. The other facets of his game was acceptable and understood by most to be average to good.
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So tell me more about this magical "it" factor?

I suggest you go back and look at all the times over the years where Schaub put this team in a position to win and they lost.
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So tell me more about this magical "it" factor?

I suggest you go back and look at all the times over the years where Schaub put this team in a position to win and they lost.
Schaub had his time and tenure with the texans and he could not even lead this team to the game before the super bowl. What's funny is you got players like Derrick Ward who said the texans had a better team outside the qb position then the new york giants when they won the super bowl. I really don't have to explain anything Schaub's lack of success speaks for itself.
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So tell me more about this magical "it" factor?

I suggest you go back and look at all the times over the years where Schaub put this team in a position to win and they lost.
IT's a really good team with a good scheme
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So. When Brady was drafted, did have have "IT"? Did you watch him at Michigan and say to yourself "Wow. That guy has IT!" How about when Kurt Warner was drafted? How about Mark Sanchez?

Now, you're looking at a broken Schaub and say, "Well, he never had 'IT' because he never won any big games." Which is BS. He won a lot of big games and if he'd had a decent defense for most of his time here, he would have won a lot more. He's led drives to win games in the last seconds lots of times... only to leave a few seconds on the clock and have his defense let him down.

How much of "IT" did Brady have that 18-1 season? Not quite enough to beat Eli, huh? And why is that? Is it because of a lack of "IT" or because Eli had more of "IT"? No, it's because Brady's defense let him down and because Eli made some hail-mary throws and other guys on the team stepped up and made plays.

"IT" is a BS tautology. It's magic. It's Santa Claus.
Well maybe Santa Claus can come to the Houston Texans and become the quarterback and break passing records throwing to all the raindeers and Rudolph the rednose raindeer can be mvp. Go Texans we are winning the superbowl.
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So tell me more about this magical "it" factor?

I suggest you go back and look at all the times over the years where Schaub put this team in a position to win and they lost.
You're fighting the good fight.

Schaub: 87 starts, 11 4th qtr. comebacks, 14 game winning drives.

That is very comparable to Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger and their 4 rings.

I love how these conversations become all the QB. Last I heard Brady was playing for a genious and Schaub was playing for a bunch of guys with rubber noses climbing out of a very small car. Odd that plays no part.
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I think he would be better served taking a year off & recharging his battery, season was brutal on him.
This season was brutal on the fans.

We weren't very well paid to watch the crap product that was put on the field.
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You're fighting the good fight.

Schaub: 87 starts, 11 4th qtr. comebacks, 14 game winning drives.

That is very comparable to Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger and their 4 rings.
I liked Schaub alot and the 2009 season he played QB at a championship level. IMHO

He hurt his foot and fell off the cliff and the rest was history.
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So. When Brady was drafted, did have have "IT"? Did you watch him at Michigan and say to yourself "Wow. That guy has IT!" How about when Kurt Warner was drafted? How about Mark Sanchez?

Now, you're looking at a broken Schaub and say, "Well, he never had 'IT' because he never won any big games." Which is BS. He won a lot of big games and if he'd had a decent defense for most of his time here, he would have won a lot more. He's led drives to win games in the last seconds lots of times... only to leave a few seconds on the clock and have his defense let him down.

How much of "IT" did Brady have that 18-1 season? Not quite enough to beat Eli, huh? And why is that? Is it because of a lack of "IT" or because Eli had more of "IT"? No, it's because Brady's defense let him down and because Eli made some hail-mary throws and other guys on the team stepped up and made plays.

"IT" is a BS tautology. It's magic. It's Santa Claus.


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I liked Schaub alot and the 2009 season he played QB at a championship level. IMHO

He hurt his foot and fell off the cliff and the rest was history.
Yep, he was in the discussion for borderline elite, he and Kubiak kinda both lost it and that sunk the Texans for this year.
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So. When Brady was drafted, did have have "IT"? Did you watch him at Michigan and say to yourself "Wow. That guy has IT!" How about when Kurt Warner was drafted? How about Mark Sanchez?

Now, you're looking at a broken Schaub and say, "Well, he never had 'IT' because he never won any big games." Which is BS. He won a lot of big games and if he'd had a decent defense for most of his time here, he would have won a lot more. He's led drives to win games in the last seconds lots of times... only to leave a few seconds on the clock and have his defense let him down.

How much of "IT" did Brady have that 18-1 season? Not quite enough to beat Eli, huh? And why is that? Is it because of a lack of "IT" or because Eli had more of "IT"? No, it's because Brady's defense let him down and because Eli made some hail-mary throws and other guys on the team stepped up and made plays.

"IT" is a BS tautology. It's magic. It's Santa Claus.
Really awesome post pn and while I agree "it" is a myth, i'm not sure I agree about the opposite end of the spectrum. Some of these guys are losers whom find a way to muck up success when its handed to them on a platter. Perhaps instead of chasing guys who have "it" start finding guys who aren't "shyte. " Our record would be substantially better if we just shot ourselves in the foot less often.
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Think what you think just keep buying tickets keep the faith lol
The last tickets I purchased were in 1978 when 10 games were $140 for the season. I bought a pair and used exactly 2 tickets to one game. Not seeing the Texans in person does NOT disqualify me from seeing the Front office as it is and making a better assessment of it's talent level than the ordinary fan. It's because I understand Negotiation, Contracts and Finance. Not because I buy or do not buy a ticket.
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That's all Schaub was ever missing. The ability to make the right big play in the biggest moments when it really counted outside that he was a good system qb. The "it" factor measures that. Foster helped hide that as well as other players on offense. Schaub was not just bad he was horrible when it came to showing up big in a positive way in big games. Ultimately that makes or breaks most qb's in this league but Schaub ended his tenure here still throwing picks in big moments. If that's something to laugh at then whatever...
The IT factor is mostly selective memory rather than an analysis.
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The IT factor is mostly selective memory rather than an analysis.
In 2009 Steve Young said before the texans played the Eagles in Philadelphia on a monday night that Matt Schaub is never the reason Texans won games and when your quarterback is never the reason why your team wins that's a huge problem. Y'all stuck on a figure of speech at the end of the day Schaub doesn't have what it takes to lead a team to the super bowl and win. He never will win or get to the super bowl unless he is a backup like David Carr... it is what it is.
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So. When Brady was drafted, did have have "IT"? Did you watch him at Michigan and say to yourself "Wow. That guy has IT!" How about when Kurt Warner was drafted? How about Mark Sanchez?

Now, you're looking at a broken Schaub and say, "Well, he never had 'IT' because he never won any big games." Which is BS. He won a lot of big games and if he'd had a decent defense for most of his time here, he would have won a lot more. He's led drives to win games in the last seconds lots of times... only to leave a few seconds on the clock and have his defense let him down.

How much of "IT" did Brady have that 18-1 season? Not quite enough to beat Eli, huh? And why is that? Is it because of a lack of "IT" or because Eli had more of "IT"? No, it's because Brady's defense let him down and because Eli made some hail-mary throws and other guys on the team stepped up and made plays.

"IT" is a BS tautology. It's magic. It's Santa Claus.
I really liked Brady in his last college game against Oklahoma. He had the it factor. I also liked Josh Hueppel in that game and thought he had the it factor. Applewhite had the IT factor too. The difference is Brady was able to improve his arm strength while on the bench. Belichick took the same chance late in the draft on Kingsbury, he was unable to improve his arm strength to an NFL level. What did all of these QB's have in common in college? They were very smart QB's.

Bridgewater remindsme of these guys with a little better arm coming out of college. If Bridgewater is going to become what Texan fans want him to be he's going to have to improve his arm strength. Can he? Yes Will he? Who knows.

As far as Brady goes he won a SB his 1st yr as a starter, moving his team 40 or so yds in the last 30 seconds to help win a Lombardi on the last play of the game. So yes, I think he has always had the it factor. Led his team on GW drives against the Panthers and the Eagles. With a little help from McNabb throwing up on his teammates shoes. He was a dropped Welker pass away from beating the Giants 2 yrs ago for another Lombardi.

Cant see why anybody would question wheter Brady has the it factor. The IT factor is nothing more than playing your best in big games, especially when the game is on the line.

Some can do it. Brady/Staubach/Montana/Elway. Some Cant, Kelly/McNabb/Moon/Everrett etc....
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In 2009 Steve Young said before the texans played the Eagles in Philadelphia on a monday night that Matt Schaub is never the reason Texans won games and when your quarterback is never the reason why your team wins that's a huge problem. Y'all stuck on a figure of speech at the end of the day Schaub doesn't have what it takes to lead a team to the super bowl and win. He never will win or get to the super bowl unless he is a backup like David Carr... it is what it is.
Dude, why the hell are you even talking about Schaub?

He's toast. Done. Doesn't matter.

New Coach New Destiny!

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Dude, why the hell are you even talking about Schaub?

He's toast. Done. Doesn't matter.

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Well... all I can say is good post. I could ask myself that question...
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In 2009 Steve Young said before the texans played the Eagles in Philadelphia on a monday night that Matt Schaub is never the reason Texans won games and when your quarterback is never the reason why your team wins that's a huge problem. Y'all stuck on a figure of speech at the end of the day Schaub doesn't have what it takes to lead a team to the super bowl and win. He never will win or get to the super bowl unless he is a backup like David Carr... it is what it is.
And my point is that the pre-injury Schaub WAS a guy who was a reason our team won games and he WAS a guy who put us into a position to win more. You're looking at the Schaub of the past couple of seasons and saying he was a guy who could NEVER win a SB and ignoring the guy he was prior to that. And the guy he was prior to that was a guy who could have won SB teams if he had been in the right situation. And he was a guy who WAS in the right situation at the right time in 2011... until a QB sneak and a broken foot.

Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Trent Dilfer, Ben Roethlisberger, Brad Johnson... these guys are all guys who had to be in the right situation at the right time to win a SB. You could even include the 2nd year Tom Brady in there. Schaub, at his best, was one of those guys. The post-injury Schaub is not.

What I don't like is for people to re-write history and hate on a guy who's played and worked hard for this team and treat them like they're crap. Schaub was a really good QB... not a great QB and not a world-beater. But he wasn't a scrub.

Even Carr wasn't horrible his entire time here. It's really easy to get a case of selective memory and hate on Carr and say he was never anything but if you go back and check the games, that's not the case.
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