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What did you think of the PSU offense that could not convert third downs? Were you impressed with the ONE third down converstion vs Syracuse or TWO for the whole game vs Eastern Michigan?

What idd you think of OB's great play calling when he went for it on 4 and 7 from his own 30 in the first drive of the season vs Syracuse? He later said he thought it was first down. I guess he thought it was 1 and 7.
We get it... you must be that small vocal minority that wants OBrien gone from psu
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We get it... you must be that small vocal minority that wants OBrien gone from psu
Not really. I am just stating the FACTS. Did you see a single PSU game this season? I would be that most Texans fans have not.


I get it. YOU had a bad year and you are looking for something new. YOU are now jumping on a bandwagon even though you really don't know anything about Obrien.
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Not really. I am just stating the FACTS. Did you see a single PSU game this season? I would be that most Texans fans have not.
Have yet to see a single FACT out of your 6 posts, no matter how often you repeat them
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Have yet to see a single FACT out of your 6 posts, no matter how often you repeat them

ONE third down converstion vs SYracuse and two vs Eastern Michigan are FACTS. 7-5 is a FACT.

Where are YOUR facts. "He did a great job". Is that a fact or OPINION?

Did you watch ANY PSU games this year? If so then which games and we can talk facts.



PS. I think O'Brien wants to move on becuase he is feeling the heat as a result of his many mistakes.
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BTW, what exactly is it that puts the bug up some of y'all's asses about those 'Denny's Menus'? Lots of coaches use them.
Lots of HC's carry them around and use them you are correct. I think it has more to do with that look on Gary's face as he scans over it. It's this vacant stare he gets. He looks like he's trying to find what he ordered last time but the restaurant has changed the menu around and now he's about to give up and order something he really doesn't want.
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After giving this Bill O'Brien frenzy some thought I can only come up with 1 reasonable conclusion. Jed Hughes must have looked at all coaching options that are currently available in the nfl and college. From there he has to have calculated who will be available after black Monday and concluded O'Brien is the Texans best option of this offseason by at least a pretty decent margin. This would explain McNair's out of character impatience with hiring this guy. I will go as far to say as Jed Hughes may have had O'Brien on McNair's radar as far back as just before Kubiak being let go. Bring Lovie Smith in first since he is unemployed and fulfills the Rooney rule. Now move in on your man. This thing could have been planned out that far back imho. It will be a genious move if O'Brien turns out to be Bellichik 2.0
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Lots of HC's carry them around and use them you are correct. I think it has more to do with that look on Gary's face as he scans over it. It's this vacant stare he gets. He looks like he's trying to find what he ordered last time but the restaurant has changed the menu around and now he's about to give up and order something he really doesn't want.
IF a coach with 20 years experience doesn't know HIS own plays without a laminated chart to remember HIS offense then how are the players supposed to remember the offense?
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We get it... you must be that small vocal minority that wants OBrien gone from psu
Or he's part of the majority that doesn't want the Texans to hire him. Works either way.

8 posts and on my ignore list already. That may be a record.
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IF a coach with 20 years experience doesn't know HIS own plays without a laminated chart to remember HIS offense then how are the players supposed to remember the offense?
That's about as stupid a thing as I've read on this board... and that is saying a LOT!
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ONE third down converstion vs SYracuse and two vs Eastern Michigan are FACTS. 7-5 is a FACT.

Where are YOUR facts. "He did a great job". Is that a fact or OPINION?

Did you watch ANY PSU games this year? If so then which games and we can talk facts.



PS. I think O'Brien wants to move on becuase he is feeling the heat as a result of his many mistakes.
Go pee in someone else's cheerios PSU fan.
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BTW, what exactly is it that puts the bug up some of y'all's asses about those 'Denny's Menus'? Lots of coaches use them.


When Vince LOmbardi was the offensive coordinator the head coach told him not to bring the playbook on the practice field. Lombardi asked him why. The HC asked LOmbardi, "If the coaches can't remember the plays then how are the players supposed to remember the plays?"

Can you answer that question?
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Go pee in someone else's cheerios PSU fan.


Good comeback. I think it is obvious you did not watch a single PSU game with Obrien.
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When Vince LOmbardi was the offensive coordinator the head coach told him not to bring the playbook on the practice field. Lombardi asked him why. The HC asked LOmbardi, "If the coaches can't remember the plays then how are the players supposed to remember the plays?"

Can you answer that question?
Has the game evolved since that time? Or are players still running around in leather helmets?
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That's about as stupid a thing as I've read on this board... and that is saying a LOT!


It was not stupid when Vince Lombardi's coach asked Lombardi that question.


Can you answer the question?
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Has the game evolved since that time? Or are players still running around in leather helmets?
I think i read that Lombardi had 27 plays . The thing Lombardi did was teach everything that could happen on all 27 plays . The Packers had no surprises .
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When Vince LOmbardi was the offensive coordinator the head coach told him not to bring the playbook on the practice field. Lombardi asked him why. The HC asked LOmbardi, "If the coaches can't remember the plays then how are the players supposed to remember the plays?"

Can you answer that question?
I see where you're coming from, but to compare those Army teams' offenses to modern day offenses seems like you're comparing apples to oranges...I would imagine those offenses back in the day didn't have quite the number of plays as modern offenses do.
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Has the game evolved since that time? Or are players still running around in leather helmets?

Yes and at times it is too complex. That is why players are not all on the same page. Auburn had a great offense this year with less than 10 base plays. Chip Kelly is also going away from the gool ole boy philosophy and doing things different. Kelly took the same team that Andy Reid won 4 games with and he is going to win 10 games or so this year.


Do you want an innovator or a guy who tries to copy someone esle but does not do it as well? Chip Kelly is the innovator. O'Brien tries to copy Kelly but does not do it very well. He runs up tempo but his offense is always confused. Kelly RUNS the ball and has long drives with tons of first downs. OBrien wants to pass the ball and has a horrible third down converstion rate.
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Yes and at times it is too complex. That is why players are not all on the same page. Auburn had a great offense this year with less than 10 base plays. Chip Kelly is also going away from the gool ole boy philosophy and doing things different. Kelly took the same team that Andy Reid won 4 games with and he is going to win 10 games or so this year.


Do you want an innovator or a guy who tries to copy someone esle but does not do it as well? Chip Kelly is the innovator. O'Brien tries to copy Kelly but does not do it very well. He runs up tempo but his offense is always confused. Kelly RUNS the ball and has long drives with tons of first downs. OBrien wants to pass the ball and has a horrible third down converstion rate.
Nobody in modern times has gone into a tougher situation than Bill O'Brien did at PSU . The fact that he had a winning record and was willing to take the job in the first place speaks volumes about him . Everybody has Xs and Os in the NFL , it's who can lead men at the end of the day .
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Good comeback. I think it is obvious you did not watch a single PSU game with Obrien.
I'm sure you have been around that program long enough to believe its as good as it gets in college football but from the outside looking in after that scandal I think most people were imagining an SMU like fall from grace. That has not been the case and just because he hasn't lived up to your expectations it does not mean he isn't a good coaching candidate. That doesn't guarantee him success at the next level but it is perfectly reasonable to be excited at the possibility.

So I say again, go pee in someone else's cheerios.
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Yes and at times it is too complex. That is why players are not all on the same page. Auburn had a great offense this year with less than 10 base plays. Chip Kelly is also going away from the gool ole boy philosophy and doing things different. Kelly took the same team that Andy Reid won 4 games with and he is going to win 10 games or so this year.


Do you want an innovator or a guy who tries to copy someone esle but does not do it as well? Chip Kelly is the innovator. O'Brien tries to copy Kelly but does not do it very well. He runs up tempo but his offense is always confused. Kelly RUNS the ball and has long drives with tons of first downs. OBrien wants to pass the ball and has a horrible third down converstion rate.
He had arguably the best up tempo offense in NFL history on the New England Patriots.
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