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Old 12-27-2013   #221
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I'm so happy that we have or will be interviewing Coach O'Brien. I hope Bob pulls the trigger on him. I have said it before, I think O'Brien will be an elite NFL head coach and will be the guy to lead us to the promised land of a Super Bowl.
Not even Moses could lead us to the promised land. I AM is the one who leads and I don't think he's choosing sides.
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I think this covers the Shaw dilemma.
It's what he has to say...for another month. Then everything changes. He gets a raise and stays or gets a raise and leaves.
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BoB is going to give Rick control.

BoB may or may not go cheap on his HC. (Probably cheap) If he doesn't go cheap on his HC I garuntee you he will go cheap on asst coaches. BoB has never paid for a top notch Asst coach, until Wade because he liked Gary and wanted to do everything possible to save Gary.

I expect a Lovie/Whisenhunt type HC hire.
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BoB is going to give Rick control.

BoB may or may not go cheap on his HC. (Probably cheap) If he doesn't go cheap on his HC I garuntee you he will go cheap on asst coaches. BoB has never paid for a top notch Asst coach, until Wade because he liked Gary and wanted to do everything possible to save Gary.

I expect a Lovie/Whisenhunt type HC hire.
I hope you're wrong. I also hope that Mike Sherman is not a candidate
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BoB is going to give Rick control.

BoB may or may not go cheap on his HC. (Probably cheap) If he doesn't go cheap on his HC I garuntee you he will go cheap on asst coaches. BoB has never paid for a top notch Asst coach, until Wade because he liked Gary and wanted to do everything possible to save Gary.

I expect a Lovie/Whisenhunt type HC hire.
damn SB I've got to head back into the garage to pilfer my reserves to quench my depression
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damn SB I've got to head back into the garage to pilfer my reserves to quench my depression
To be fair to SB, you were probably going to do it anyway...
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But if the Texans start doing it, it WILL be called. But only against the Texans. Broncos, Patriots and other flavors of the month would never get that called. That's my problem with the Officials being too cozy with the NFL honchos.
This ain't the NBA. The Raiders ran the same play against us for a TD.

Believe it or not but the league isn't out to screw the Texans, we do that to ourselves.
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BoB may or may not go cheap on his HC. (Probably cheap) If he doesn't go cheap on his HC I garuntee you he will go cheap on asst coaches. BoB has never paid for a top notch Asst coach, until Wade because he liked Gary and wanted to do everything possible to save Gary.
So which is it, did the HCs pick their coordinators or did McNair limit their selections? You've been complaining for years about Kubiak's poor selection of coordinators so what is your information they actually wanted someone else and McNair said no?
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Yes there is some supposition on my part. It is based on fact that I have never heard of any perspective head coach say, pay me a couple of million less than I can negotiate and give me as little control over the roster and players as possible. To the contrary, basic human behavior indicates perspective head coaches will want to make as much money as possible with as much control over players and rosters as they can get. That's what makes them attractive head coaches.
There's nothing to indicate Shaw can negotiate a $7M/yr salary. Even if he were, there's nothing to indicate Bob won't pay it. There is also nothing to indicate that Shaw wants complete control of personnel, or that Bob is unwilling to give it up.

& we have no idea what Rick Smith's role will be in the future.

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Unless the front office has reversed course since whining to NFLN about coaches having to much control, I have no reason to believe this position has changed.
Rick Smith can whine all he wants. He's not calling the shots here, never has & most likely never will. Just because Rick is unhappy doesn't mean he will get more control.
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Should we start with Kubiak? How about Carroll? Johnson? Parcels? Belichick? Fisher? Spurrier?
Belichick did not have full control of football operations in Cleveland.

Carroll didn't have full control in New England. Fisher got stuck with Vince because he didn't have full control in Tennessee. Johnson? Jimi? You've got to be kidding.

Kubiak had final say of the 53. Not the same as full control of football operations.


& before you counter, remember... he said first time head coach. Far as I can remember, Kubiak is the only one that comes to mind & it was only of the 53 man roster. I don't know what kind of control Spurrier had.

I also don't think Parcels had full control of the Giants, but that's going way back.
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BoB may or may not go cheap on his HC. (Probably cheap) If he doesn't go cheap on his HC I garuntee you he will go cheap on asst coaches. BoB has never paid for a top notch Asst coach, until Wade because he liked Gary and wanted to do everything possible to save Gary.
Uh... Bob hired Sherman as a Kubiak safety blanket in the very beginning.
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This ain't the NBA. The Raiders ran the same play against us for a TD.

Believe it or not but the league isn't out to screw the Texans, we do that to ourselves.
I don't believe that. I've seen too many ticky tacky fouls called against us (particularly Kareem and special teams) and blatant fouls not called against the NFL front office favorites. But it's not just us, it's anybody the NFL Marketing Department deems unworthy.

That's why I loved the replacement officials. They might not have been perfect, but they were even handed.
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I don't believe that. I've seen too many ticky tacky fouls called against us (particularly Kareem and special teams) and blatant fouls not called against the NFL front office favorites. But it's not just us, it's anybody the NFL Marketing Department deems unworthy.

That's why I loved the replacement officials. They might not have been perfect, but they were even handed.
This is a foolish statement.

Houston is one of their biggest markets, one of their most valuable franchises.

I see us letting our mid-talent walk year after year, making terrible picks I. The middle rounds of the draft, holding on to players too long after they go downhill, failing to manage injuries, making bad calls in FA, failing to rotate our players leaving them gassed at the end of games when every drive matters, I could go on.

You aren't hearing the NFL leak stories all the time about moving the Texans to LA or London. The NFL wants the Texans to be a powerhouse because it's good for business. You can't just throw around statements like that and see what sticks.
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This is a foolish statement.

Houston is one of their biggest markets, one of their most valuable franchises.

I see us letting our mid-talent walk year after year, making terrible picks I. The middle rounds of the draft, holding on to players too long after they go downhill, failing to manage injuries, making bad calls in FA, failing to rotate our players leaving them gassed at the end of games when every drive matters, I could go on.

You aren't hearing the NFL leak stories all the time about moving the Texans to LA or London. The NFL wants the Texans to be a powerhouse because it's good for business. You can't just throw around statements like that and see what sticks.

Certainly, I don't think there is a conspiracy. However, the NFL has created an atmosphere that lends itself to "Michael Jordan rules"... So many subjective decisions have been placed at the feet of the officials that there is an unavoidable tendency to skew calls towards the teams/players with the greatest reputations. Without a doubt, most referees will be quicker to throw "roughing the passer" when Brady/Manning/Brees get brushed against than Keenum/Pryor/Locker/etc...

That being said, we are 2-13 this year, not because of the NFL, but because we played inconsistently the first six weeks of the season, did not handle adversity well, and then cratered or quit about 6 weeks ago.
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As I was researching O'brien's bio, I was suddenly deflated as I cam across this name (a RB he coached at Georgia Tech): Tony Hollings.... One of the names, long since forgotten, that belongs in the Texan Hall of Shame along with (Boselli, Carr, Weaver, Buchanan, Ryan Young, Joppru, Charles Spencer, J.Mathis, Ahman Green, Eric Moulds, Seth Wand, Amobi Okoye, Petey Faggins)- nothing against some of those guys, but it is a list that tells a story of woe, that's for sure, and Hollings name had slipped from my memory until 15 minutes ago. Thanks Bill O'Brien!
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Uh... Bob hired Sherman as a Kubiak safety blanket in the very beginning.
Sherman was Gary's choice and it took Sherman a few days to make up his mind after getting fired from Green Bay. It was Gary who made the comments that he wanted Sherman because of his HC experience. Gary eventually got his man in every coaching hire with the one exception of Wade. Wade was a Bob hire.
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Uh... Bob hired Sherman as a Kubiak safety blanket in the very beginning.
Uh...... You consider Sherman to be a top notch OC/OL coach?

Did you see the Dolphins offense last Sunday. Sherman fit the Friends of Gary description.
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This is a foolish statement.

Houston is one of their biggest markets, one of their most valuable franchises.

I see us letting our mid-talent walk year after year, making terrible picks I. The middle rounds of the draft, holding on to players too long after they go downhill, failing to manage injuries, making bad calls in FA, failing to rotate our players leaving them gassed at the end of games when every drive matters, I could go on.

You aren't hearing the NFL leak stories all the time about moving the Texans to LA or London. The NFL wants the Texans to be a powerhouse because it's good for business. You can't just throw around statements like that and see what sticks.
That is MY observation. You may disagree without telling me I can't express MY observation. In fact. that is what this board is for. I challenge you to look at the recordings and not see what I saw. Many times Kareem would look back and still get called. Perhaps because he uses his eyes more with a subtle head turn and doesn't make the dramatic head turn some other backs do or perhaps because the officials no longer feel they need to give us equal treatment because we're no longer a flavor of the month team.

I do not dispute the reasons for our decline are more along the lines of your response, but my statement is about another factor, not the only factor.
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Uh...... You consider Sherman to be a top notch OC/OL coach?

Did you see the Dolphins offense last Sunday. Sherman fit the Friends of Gary description.
At the time, we all considered hiring Sherman a huge get. You know what they say about hindsight...
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