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Old 12-27-2013   #201
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Make O'Brien happen now...God help us if we end up with Lovie, Mike Sherman or Wade...

/could live with Wisenhunt or Shaw too.
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I wanna know if O'Brien has a fist that pops out of that that chin of his. Do you think that is his pen holder?
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So, in other words, you don't have a clue...

I seriously doubt that any first time NFL head coaching candidate anywhere has walked into a job interview and told the prospective employer that he demanded complete and utter control of all football operations.. " OR I'LL STAY AT PODUNK U!!!!!"
No, in other words I am pretty confidant that a high profile perspective NFL HC is going to want to make as money as they can with as much control as they can negotiate. Understand that most all perspective NFL HC are the ones being pursued so it is seller's (Head Coach's) market. As far as Shaw and O'Brien they could decide to stay at Podunk U. It might not be the first time they've made that decision. OR they could also decide to go to an NFL team that pays more AND offers them full control of player personnel. A lesser NFL HC profile or a "a last chance" candidate might better fit your expectations for a HC demands.
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No, in other words I am pretty confidant that a high profile perspective NFL HC is going to want to make as money as they can with as much control as they can negotiate. Understand that most all perspective NFL HC are the ones being pursued so it is seller's (Head Coach's) market. As far as Shaw and O'Brien they could decide to stay at Podunk U. It might not be the first time they've made that decision. OR they could also decide to go to an NFL team that pays more AND offers them full control of player personnel. A lesser NFL HC profile or a "a last chance" candidate might better fit your expectations for a HC demands.
Name 1 First Time NFL Head Coaching Prospect that has gone in and demanded full control of football operations, let alone top dollar long term contract.
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Name 1 First Time NFL Head Coaching Prospect that has gone in and demanded full control of football operations, let alone top dollar long term contract.
Should we start with Kubiak? How about Carroll? Johnson? Parcels? Belichick? Fisher? Spurrier?
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I feel young in this thread.
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Should we start with Kubiak? How about Carroll? Johnson? Parcels? Belichick? Fisher? Spurrier?
Kubiak did not come in demanding full control and none of the others were first time head coaches...
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I think this covers the Shaw dilemma.
Because coaches have never said one thing then did another...
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Name 1 First Time NFL Head Coaching Prospect that has gone in and demanded full control of football operations, let alone top dollar long term contract.
Here's the point JB. Come Monday there could be 6 openings to be an NFL HC. Now let's assume that 2 of those job openings the HC could negotiate for full control and 4 job openings the FO has full control. Perspective head coaches first choices will be with the teams that offer the most control.
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Because coaches have never said one thing then did another...
Coaches always say the right things about those who are delivering their current paycheck. Love the one you're with. If they didn't their two week notice would be on the way.
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Because coaches have never said one thing then did another...
He's been turning down nfl interviews for the last couple years. I think he means what he says. Money isn't everything.
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The one thing he hasn't accomplished at Stanford is a national title. Next year the NCAA starts a playoff format. With the strong statement he made on Dec 17th (the link) it is a real possibility he may want to wait a year or two and see if he can bring that championship trophy to his alma matre.

O'Brien would be an acceptable second choice for me.
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Texans interested in O'Brien? Why? I don't see how he's emerged as a hot NFL NC candidate.

I'm especially leery of ex NE coordinators.
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Here's the point JB. Come Monday there could be 6 openings to be an NFL HC. Now let's assume that 2 of those job openings the HC could negotiate for full control and 4 job openings the FO has full control. Perspective head coaches first choices will be with the teams that offer the most control.
The Texans job is rated as top opportunity in many circles according to the sources of some. Point I've been trying to get across is that I don't think that any have full control in either direction. It has to be a symbiotic relationship
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Texans interested in O'Brien? Why? I don't see how he's emerged as a hot NFL NC candidate.

I'm especially leery of ex NE coordinators.
No one gets excited over a re-tread, and O'Brien is (along with Shaw) the media appointed next college to pro wonder coach. You have to give him his props for turning a no-win situation into a win at Penn State.
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Point I've been trying to get across is that I don't think that any have full control in either direction.
Belichick, Carroll, Kubiak (had), Shanahan for strarters.
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Belichick, Carroll, Kubiak (had), Shanahan for strarters.
I meant of the upcoming jobs for a first year head coach... I just don't think it's going to happen. I think for you to rule OBrien out for that is silly. I don't think he will ask for it and I don't think any team would grant it.
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I meant of the upcoming jobs for a first year head coach... I just don't think it's going to happen. I think for you to rule OBrien out for that is silly. I don't think he will ask for it and I don't think any team would grant it.
Many teams will grant it if they really like the guy they got. Hell, Denver granted it for McDaniels who butchered up an up and coming hot team when he was hired. Kubiak got it here, just because he wasn't Capers and because he sold Mcnair on his "system" where he needed all of these Denver guys initially. BB has full control as well, but if he didn't have Brady his NE teams wouldn't be anywhere near as good, but he has kept control because of his success even though he really isn't that great as a GM. He is probably average. Guys get control for all different types of reasons, but NFL owners will give it up to the coach if they truly believe in their vision.
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If that's the way it's played now then we need to play that way. Either it's illegal and it's penalized or they ignore it and it is time the Texans got good at doing it.

It's time to win consistently and Belichick's team is one of the few that wins consistently. If he walked out of there and announced that his services were for sale I'd hire him immediately.
But if the Texans start doing it, it WILL be called. But only against the Texans. Broncos, Patriots and other flavors of the month would never get that called. That's my problem with the Officials being too cozy with the NFL honchos.
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