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Old 12-27-2013   #181
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I would love to get excited about OBrien, but :
1) No real decision has been made yet and we could just as easily wind up with Lovie Smith or somebody who they have not yet even interviewed. and
2) That sad little "Oh God, I hope not" itch inside of me keeps telling me that they may be waiting to see what will happen with the Redskins and Shanahan
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I'm so happy that we have or will be interviewing Coach O'Brien. I hope Bob pulls the trigger on him. I have said it before, I think O'Brien will be an elite NFL head coach and will be the guy to lead us to the promised land of a Super Bowl.
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I would love to get excited about OBrien, but :

1) No real decision has been made yet and we could just as easily wind up with Lovie Smith or somebody who they have not yet even interviewed. and

2) That sad little "Oh God, I hope not" itch inside of me keeps telling me that they may be waiting to see what will happen with the Redskins and Shanahan

You need to get the Shanahan thoughts out of your head. McNair knows we just had 8 years of the Shanahan offense, and no way would he hire that guy.


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But the Texans will want to see what David Shaw is going to do - whether he's willing to leave Stanford - and this announcement and any interview won't happen until after the Jan 1st Rose Bowl.
David Shaw has already made it clear he's not leaving Stanford.
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I hope O''Brien aces his interview. This is who I want Ro be the next HC.
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He will bring in some of his friends who aren't good coaches, but are good friends.


Oops, my bad, I was still thinking of our last head coach...
This is the way the NFL works. Our old coach was no different than every other NFL coach in his position. At times, there are variations to the theme. Sometimes, the GM has a little sway, a little influence & he's able to bring some of his friends to the party.

Our biggest "problem" was that Kubiak did a stint with SF a long time ago & had spent a long time in Denver. His circle wasn't very big.... Rick Smith came from that circle.

So let's say we get O'brien. He brings in McDaniels (if Belichick is not grooming him for New England), Vance Joseph stays..... That's a pretty good circle of influence there.
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This is the way the NFL works. Our old coach was no different than every other NFL coach in his position. At times, there are variations to the theme. Sometimes, the GM has a little sway, a little influence & he's able to bring some of his friends to the party.

Our biggest "problem" was that Kubiak did a stint with SF a long time ago & had spent a long time in Denver. His circle wasn't very big.... Rick Smith came from that circle.

So let's say we get O'brien. He brings in McDaniels (if Belichick is not grooming him for New England), Vance Joseph stays..... That's a pretty good circle of influence there.
Why would Josh McDaniels leave NE in a lateral move to be OC for the Texans? And why would NE allow him to leave for the same position with another team?
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If that's the way it's played now then we need to play that way. Either it's illegal and it's penalized or they ignore it and it is time the Texans got good at doing it.
It's got something to do with the way the do it. We've ran pick plays, but get called for it. I don't know why other teams seam to consistently get away with it.
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Since Penn State is on probation is not their season technically over & a deal could be reached with Bill O'Brien now?
Out of respect for Wade (which I'm past that point) I think Bob will wait till after our last game.
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Why would Josh McDaniels leave NE in a lateral move to be OC for the Texans? And why would NE allow him to leave for the same position with another team?
I don't know what kind of obligations he has to the Patriots. But maybe he's ready to move on, maybe the Patriots have another guy they would rather in that position.... who knows?
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Out of respect for Wade (which I'm past that point) I think Bob will wait till after our last game.
Would that be directly after the game Sunday or final press conference Monday? Maybe he waits a day or two after that, lol!
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David Shaw has already made it clear he's not leaving Stanford.
This. If we keep O'Brien on the hook to wait out Shaw and O'Brien takes another NFL job, that would be a massive fail.
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Out of respect for Wade (which I'm past that point) I think Bob will wait till after our last game.
Texans are going to do more than two interviews down?
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But the Texans will want to see what David Shaw is going to do - whether he's willing to leave Stanford - and this announcement and any interview won't happen until after the Jan 1st Rose Bowl.
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David Shaw has already made it clear he's not leaving Stanford.
Shaw is more than willing and all to happy to return to Stanford if he doesn't get the NFL deal he wants. $7 mil per year and full and complete control of all football operations might be what he wants and is waiting on to make the move. Shaw is on record as saying he likes Stanford and wants to stay. Shaw has also said that he would like to be an NFL Head Coach one day. The Texans are not a likely candidate for Shaw because of the Texans front office control. Shaw's future will become more certain the week after the Rose Bowl. If Shaw remains as adamant about staying at Stanford 2 weeks from now then he certainly becomes much more believable.

Bill O'Brien is part of the Belichick tree and all coaches desending from Belichick have been abysmal failures as NFL head coaches and also disappointing as a college head coaches. O'Brien has not done anything as a head coach that screams great success. Due to his popularity O'Brien like Shaw will also likely demand control of the roster. That eventually will take the Texans off O'Brien's radar as he will probably get a better offer.
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Shaw is more than willing and all to happy to return to Stanford if he doesn't get the NFL deal he wants. $7 mil per year and full and complete control of all football operations might be what he wants and is waiting on to make the move.
Link? Without a link, this is supposition on your part. This is important to understand, because later you state the Texans is not a destination for Shaw, based on this supposition. We don't know that Shaw demands complete control... we also do not know that Texans are unwilling to give up that control.

Shaw may not be looking for $7M/yr, or complete control. He's probably looking for the right "family environment" where he knows he's going to get more than a fair shot to do the job he's being brought in to do.... say 8 years.

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Shaw is on record as saying he likes Stanford and wants to stay. Shaw has also said that he would like to be an NFL Head Coach one day. The Texans are not a likely candidate for Shaw because of the Texans front office control.
^^ this is what I'm talking about ^^

Kubiak had complete control. Capers did not. We don't know what Bob has planned for the next regime. At the moment, it is totally possible that Bob does not.
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We don't know that Shaw demands complete control... we also do not know that Texans are unwilling to give up that control.

Shaw may not be looking for $7M/yr, or complete control. He's probably looking for the right "family environment" where he knows he's going to get more than a fair shot to do the job he's being brought in to do.... say 8 years.



^^ this is what I'm talking about ^^

Kubiak had complete control. Capers did not. We don't know what Bob has planned for the next regime. At the moment, it is totally possible that Bob does not.
Yes there is some supposition on my part. It is based on fact that I have never heard of any perspective head coach say, pay me a couple of million less than I can negotiate and give me as little control over the roster and players as possible. To the contrary, basic human behavior indicates perspective head coaches will want to make as much money as possible with as much control over players and rosters as they can get. That's what makes them attractive head coaches.

When you interview for perspective jobs do you tell your interviewer to pay you less than you can make and that you want less accountability with no responsibilities?

Unless the front office has reversed course since whining to NFLN about coaches having to much control, I have no reason to believe this position has changed.
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Yes there is some supposition on my part. It is based on fact that I have never heard of any perspective head coach say, pay me a couple of million less than I can negotiate and give me as little control over the roster and players as possible. To the contrary, basic human behavior indicates perspective head coaches will want to make as much money as possible with as much control over players and rosters as they can get. That's what makes them attractive head coaches.

When you interview for perspective jobs do you tell your interviewer to pay you less than you can make and that you want less accountability with no responsibilities?

Unless the front office has reversed course since whining to NFLN about coaches having to much control, I have no reason to believe this position has changed.
So, in other words, you don't have a clue...

I seriously doubt that any first time NFL head coaching candidate anywhere has walked into a job interview and told the prospective employer that he demanded complete and utter control of all football operations.. " OR I'LL STAY AT PODUNK U!!!!!"
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David Shaw has already made it clear he's not leaving Stanford.
If you have a link to an interview where this position is explicitly stated by Shaw, I'd appreciate seeing it. The only thing I've seen is speculation by the news media.

The Rose Bowl is less than a week away and by next Friday some kind of statement or response is likely to clarify his position.
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Shaw is more than willing and all to happy to return to Stanford if he doesn't get the NFL deal he wants. $7 mil per year and full and complete control of all football operations might be what he wants and is waiting on to make the move. Shaw is on record as saying he likes Stanford and wants to stay. Shaw has also said that he would like to be an NFL Head Coach one day. The Texans are not a likely candidate for Shaw because of the Texans front office control. Shaw's future will become more certain the week after the Rose Bowl. If Shaw remains as adamant about staying at Stanford 2 weeks from now then he certainly becomes much more believable.

Bill O'Brien is part of the Belichick tree and all coaches desending from Belichick have been abysmal failures as NFL head coaches and also disappointing as a college head coaches. O'Brien has not done anything as a head coach that screams great success. Due to his popularity O'Brien like Shaw will also likely demand control of the roster. That eventually will take the Texans off O'Brien's radar as he will probably get a better offer.
This pretty much sums up the situation as it currently stands, with Shaw.
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If you have a link to an interview where this position is explicitly stated by Shaw, I'd appreciate seeing it. The only thing I've seen is speculation by the news media.

The Rose Bowl is less than a week away and by next Friday some kind of statement or response is likely to clarify his position.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/...ested-nfl-job/
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