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Old 12-21-2013   #81
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So now we have nothing for Tate except the compensation pick.
I guess we just disagree on Rick Smith. Hope you are right about him.
You have unrealistic expectations for trades. This is not basketball. There are not that many trades in the NFL.

Here is a list for this season - Link

Only four are identified as involving picks in the 3rd or higher - Trent Richardson, Alex Smith, Darelle Revis and Percy Harvin.
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These kinds of decisions (hard decisions along with extending Schaub ) are what lead to Gary's downfall. Too much loyalty which I'm sure Rick was also involved in doomed Gary.

BTW, Gary did an outstanding job coaching last yr. Consider he was working with most of the same OL as last yrs OL. The difference is Schaub fell off of a cliff one yr after signing a big extention. But the truth is Rick/Gary should've known not to re-up Schaub. One of our own C-N-D warned us at the time that this was going to be Schaub's fate and some didn't want to listen.

I wonder if BoB/Rick/Gary consulted the Texans team orthopods before signing Schaub to that big extention? If they did and the Texans team Doc's signed off on that extention then they should be fired at the end of the yr too. IMHO
I was wondering why you were calling for consultation with team bugs, but I looked it up and bugs are Arthropods, not Orthopods. My memory is going.
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That option should be in the list of available transactions. Moves $7MM of the cap hit from 2014 to 2015. So, now you'd have $39MM next year.
This kind of thinking is what got us in cap trouble in the first place. Take the entire hit in 2014 so the cap space is available to reup Watt in 2015. You have to plan ahead. The alternative is to sign Watt before deadline and shift most of his salary in 2015 to bonus money.
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A first but Tate was in his last year of his contract and TR was a high first round pick just a year prior. Comparing the two is moronic.
Just because ???? made a stupid mistake in the first place and Indianapolis made a mistake by taking them off the hook doesn't mean we could have found someone equally stupid to trade with.
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Just because ???? made a stupid mistake in the first place and Indianapolis made a mistake by taking them off the hook doesn't mean we could have found someone equally stupid to trade with.
He was in the last year of his contract, that alone means nobody is giving a first. I can't believe anyone could argue otherwise.
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Don't know how anyone can still say Smith should have a job.
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rick smith is the new marciano.

pencil him in for another decade until Mcnair fires him.
Just so you know, you "pencil" someone in if you expect them to be fired at any moment or if you expect them not to show. You "pencil" them in because you can erase it. If you write them in ink, then you're saying they're permanent because they can't be erased.

By penciling Smith in for a decade, you're saying he could be let go tomorrow... which... Is not what you're trying to say.
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Just so you know, you "pencil" someone in if you expect them to be fired at any moment or if you expect them not to show. You "pencil" them in because you can erase it. If you write them in ink, then you're saying they're permanent because they can't be erased.

By penciling Smith in for a decade, you're saying he could be let go tomorrow... which... Is not what you're trying to say.
I just wanted to say that I enjoyed the use of the word 'pencil' executed flawlessly 3 times (and 2x in quotations) in that last post by "The Pencil Neck".


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Just so you know, you "pencil" someone in if you expect them to be fired at any moment or if you expect them not to show. You "pencil" them in because you can erase it. If you write them in ink, then you're saying they're permanent because they can't be erased.

By penciling Smith in for a decade, you're saying he could be let go tomorrow... which... Is not what you're trying to say.
Shhhh...he's smarter, more handsome, and more successful than any of us will ever be. He can't be wrong.
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Just so you know, you "pencil" someone in if you expect them to be fired at any moment or if you expect them not to show. You "pencil" them in because you can erase it. If you write them in ink, then you're saying they're permanent because they can't be erased.

By penciling Smith in for a decade, you're saying he could be let go tomorrow... which... Is not what you're trying to say.
Indelible ink.

Rick took the a** kissing so far that he's BoB's grandsons godfather.

That takes some seroius a** kissing over a number of yrs. Unless I'm wrong Texans fans should expect a decade or more of misery. Cal isn't going to fire his sons Godfather even after BoB is dead and gone.

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.....It's gonna be a long offseason for me.
As it will be for all of us. It's just the Texan Way.
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Indelible ink.

Rick took the a** kissing so far that he's BoB's grandsons godfather.

That takes some seroius a** kissing over a number of yrs. Unless I'm wrong Texans fans should expect a decade or more of misery. Cal isn't going to fire his sons Godfather even after BoB is dead and gone.

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I thought that it was the other way around: that Cal was Rick's son's godfather?

Either way, the point stands: Rick is too close to the McNair family.


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As it will be for all of us. It's just the Texan Way.
Only because winning isn't the top priority for BoB.
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Only because winning isn't the top priority for BoB.
McNairs want to win, they don't know how to win. McNair's "Commitment to Excellence" is absent Lombardi's "Commitment to Excellence". McNair's loyalty to Rick Smith is akin to Gary Kubiak's Good Old Boy, Buddy Plan.
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Only because winning isn't the top priority for BoB.
Like it's that easy to build a winning franchise from scratch.

He's doing as well (arguably better) as the Jags, the Panthers, & the Browns. As well as (arguably better) than several teams that have been around longer..... the Cowboys, Buffalo, San Diego, Tennessee.

Yeah... we could be doing a lot better, but whatever it is you think McNair should have done in the last 10 years, one of those other teams did it, & it did not work.

It takes a string of several consecutive right moves to make a successful franchise.
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He's doing as well (arguably better) as the Jags, the Panthers, & the Browns. As well as (arguably better) than several teams that have been around longer..... the Cowboys, Buffalo, San Diego, Tennessee.
The Scoreboard says NO!
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The Scoreboard says NO!
Over the past 12 years, I believe it does.
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Over the past 12 years, I believe it does.
This year it does

In our history it compares favorably to all you mentioned but the Panthers
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Bump.

The season is over. Why does Rick Smith still have a job? Get this scrub out of here.


2007
Amobi Okoye (1) - Bust
Jacoby Jones (3) - OK
Fred Bennett (4) - Bust
Brandon Harrison (5) -Bust
Brandon Frye (5) - Bust
Kasey Studdard (6) - OK
Zac Diles (7) - Bust

2008

Duane Brown (1) - Good
Antwaun Molden (3) - Bust
Steve Slaton (3) - 1 good year
Xavier Adibi (4) - Bust
Frank Okam (5) - Bust
Dominique Barber (6) - Bust
Alex Brink (7) - Bust

2009

Brian Cushing (1) - Good
Connor Barwin (2) - Good
Antoine Caldwell (3) - Bust
Glover Quin (4) - Good
Anthony Hill (4) - Bust
James Casey (5) - OK
Brice McCain (6) - OK
Troy Nolan (7) - Bust

2010

Kareem Jackson (1) - OK
Ben Tate (2) - OK
Earl Mitchell (3) - OK
Darryl Sharpton (4) - OK
Garrett Graham (4) - Bust
Sherrick McManis (5) - Bust
Shelley Smith (6) - Bust
Trindon Holliday (6) - OK
Dorin Dickerson (7) - Bust

2011

JJ Watt (1) - Good
Brooks Reed (2) - OK
Brandon Harris (2) - Scrub
Rashad Carmichael (4) - Bust
Shiloh Keo (5) - Scrub
T.J Yates (5) - OK back-up
Derek Newton (7) - Scrub
Cheta Ozugwa (7) - Who?

2012

Whitney Mercilus (1) - OK, but not 1st round talent
DeVier Posey (2) - OK, but lots of better WRs were available
Brandon Brooks (3)
Ben Jones (4)
Keshawn Martin (4)
Jared Crick (4)
Randy Bullock (5)
Nick Mondek (6)

2013

DeAndre Hopkins (1)
D.J. Swearinger (2)
Brennan Williams (3)
Sam Montgomery (3)
Trevardo Williams (4)
David Quassenbery (6)
Alan Bonner (6)
Chris Jones (6)
Ryan Griffin (6)

Conclusion: Fire Rick Smith
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Bump.

The season is over. Why does Rick Smith still have a job? Get this scrub out of here.
First off, I'd be fine if Smith was fired.

BUT...

Calling someone a bust who was drafted after the 3rd round is a stretch of the word bust.

But more importantly, you don't know which of these guys were Rick Smith's picks and which of these guys were Kubiak or some other coach's pick. For all we know, Rick would have drafted a completely different set of players if he had his way. McNair knows which guys Rick wanted to draft... and he has apparently decided to keep the guy. So it might be that Rick Smith was better at drafting than we know.
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