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Old 12-20-2013   #21
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And Newton .... seriously. A traffic cone would prove to be more of an obstacle on some of his lowlights.
He still only gets 2nd worst OT in Texans history. Victor "turnstile" Riley wins that contest.
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Interesting also that as awful as Newton has been he is rated above Fisher the top pick last year. I wonder how Fisher grades out vs Matthews this year and if that gives those people who want to go the conservative route with the top pick any hesitation.
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More than likely it's talent and coaching combined to produce the disaster that is our O-line this year.
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Duane's injury was mentioned to explain some of his dropoff from being at the top of the league, that (hopefully) this year is an outlier.

Wade's injury does not explain his decline from 2010 when he was rated 3rd/82 to 2011 63rd/78 to 2012 28th/81, so it wasn't mentioned.

Newton's injury certainly too has impacted his production, but wasn't mentioned because it alone can't explain his poor performance overall 65th/80 2012 & 71st/78 ytd.

That can explain some of it, sure: For instance Case Keenum is rated 38th/40 in time to attempt a pass at 2.97 seconds. Peyton is 4th @ 2.34 and Brady is 6th at 2.39 seconds, for reference.

Now there's a lot of reasons why the many "QB time" statistics can be skewed: scrambling, scheme, 3/5/7 step drops, dink & dunk vs. down-field passing, % rollouts, slow/fast reads, etc. So it's difficult to put it all into a number that answers the question.
I would think lower extremity injuries impacting a lineman's ability to slide, drop or move forward would explain a drop in performance. A QB having injury to throwing arm would impact his performance similarly. This is Newton's 2nd full year as a starter. I wish I could find where I compared his first three years to first rounder Brown. DB almost always had a solid LG playing next to him not so RG for Newton.
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He still only gets 2nd worst OT in Texans history. Victor "turnstile" Riley wins that contest.
Seth Wand has to get Honorable mention at least!!
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It just makes me wonder how the awful QB play and injured RBs have affected the tangible evidence. Eyeball tests are very inconclusive at times.

I agree that even an average RT would create a massive difference, but also solidifies my opinion that you do not waste a top pick on a lineman. Find a guy on the cheap in FA.
I think just the opposite. Build your offense with great lineman and go from there. The old Oilers drafted some great lineman with early picks in the early 80s that solidified their offense for over a decade. You need two or three talented lineman to build around. I think our poor line play this year was the begining of our downfall.
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I think just the opposite. Build your offense with great lineman and go from there. The old Oilers drafted some great lineman with early picks in the early 80s that solidified their offense for over a decade. You need two or three talented lineman to build around. I think our poor line play this year was the begining of our downfall.


Thank you! I have no qualms whatsoever in taking an RT with the first pick. Everyone says, "let's get an RT with a 3rd round pick on the cheap".

Yeah, how's that working out for us?

People who don't understand the importance of a good offensive line, is (repeating myself now) in that block of fans who think drafting a lineman with the top pick isn't sexy enough for the their 'entertainment'. They'd rather draft the next "franchise" QB and watch him turn into a turtle.

Screw that. SCREW THAT!!
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Thank you! I have no qualms whatsoever in taking an RT with the first pick. Everyone says, "let's get an RT with a 3rd round pick on the cheap".

Yeah, how's that working out for us?
Well since we don't have a 3rd round pick at RT, right now it isn't working at all. When we did have a 3rd round pick at RT it worked pretty darn well with seasons leading the league in passing and one in rushing.

Also, there is a round in between the 1st and 3rd.

Now how many top 10 of the 1st RTs do you see in the league? - 0.
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http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

I'm no stats geek, maybe someone can try to make sense of this listing. I thought this years line was horrible, so I'm confused.

6th best line?? So then the only thing left to bash is coaching? Strange.
If Arian were playing, like he was just before he got hurt, & Schaub wasn't turning the ball over like he was before he got hurt, & the defense was shutting the other team down like they were a long time ago.... our OL issue wouldn't be so glaring.
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I agree that even an average RT would create a massive difference, but also solidifies my opinion that you do not waste a top pick on a lineman. Find a guy on the cheap in FA.
No doubt.

Don't forget Arian Foster was an undrafted FA, so we don't need to pick a RB either.

Andy Dalton was a 2nd rounder, so was Kaepernic. Russell Wilson went in the third. Tony Romo was a 5th rounder, & Tom Brady was a 6th..... so we can find a QB later as well.

Navarro Bowman was a 4th rounder (I think), Seann Lee was undrafted. James Harrison was undrafted, so we can find ILBs & outside pass rushers later in the draft.

Owen Daniels was a 4th round pick.

We should just give away our first round pick, we don't need it.
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No doubt.

Don't forget Arian Foster was an undrafted FA, so we don't need to pick a RB either.

Andy Dalton was a 2nd rounder, so was Kaepernic. Russell Wilson went in the third. Tony Romo was a 5th rounder, & Tom Brady was a 6th..... so we can find a QB later as well.

Navarro Bowman was a 4th rounder (I think), Seann Lee was undrafted. James Harrison was undrafted, so we can find ILBs & outside pass rushers later in the draft.

Owen Daniels was a 4th round pick.

We should just give away our first round pick, we don't need it.
Heavy flow day? Sip some cranberry juice you should be fine.

What I don't want is Eric Fisher 2.0 and Matthews is severely overrated around these parts.

First picks are for QBs and pass rushers, you know players that can dictate a game.
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Heavy flow day? Sip some cranberry juice you should be fine.

What I don't want is Eric Fisher 2.0 and Matthews is severely overrated around these parts.

First picks are for QBs and pass rushers, you know players that can dictate a game.
Why not offensive linemen who protect those qbs and stop those pass rushers? If your philosophy on building a team prevents you from taking the most talented player at a position of need, your philosophy is broken. I can agree with your sentiment a bit because i'd start breaking things and setting fires if we drafted a kicker #1 overall for instance. But if a tackle is the best talent you grab him (why can't we plug him in at rt for a couple of seasons before moving him to Lt? ) Is this tackle philosophy of yours exclusive to right tackles , and you'd consider a lt #1overall?

It's awkward to see a Texans fan die hard about not drafting a lineman #1 overall after our teams illustrious early history and the crippling effect it had on Carr.

Why am I reminded of the arguments for not drafting Julius Peppers because we ran a 3-4? If you can't find a place for superior talent your scheme needs to be overhauled. My thoughts here are not in favor of Mathews and against anyone else. It's purely conceptual. If bridge is the best, cool, draft him. If a tackle is clearly the best, draft him.
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Heavy flow day? Sip some cranberry juice you should be fine.

What I don't want is Eric Fisher 2.0 and Matthews is severely overrated around these parts.

First picks are for QBs and pass rushers, you know players that can dictate a game.
What you want is Teddy gonna be a bust Briidgewater. Regardless of if he would rank 4-5th in the 2015 QB class. Just gotta spend that 1-1 on a QB and live with the consequences for the next decade. You're blinded, in your mind is it Teddy or bust, am I correct?

Teddy, the only Teddy I was familiar with was my Teddy Bear. Of course that was my age 3-6 yrs. LOL
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Well since we don't have a 3rd round pick at RT, right now it isn't working at all. When we did have a 3rd round pick at RT it worked pretty darn well with seasons leading the league in passing and one in rushing.

Also, there is a round in between the 1st and 3rd.

Now how many top 10 of the 1st RTs do you see in the league? - 0.
Well Rick did take a chance on an injured RT last yr B.Williams.

Good Job Rick.
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...DB almost always had a solid LG playing next to him not so RG for Newton.
Newton has the 10th rated overall RG playing next to him this year, out of 77 Guards. That's not chopped liver.
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Well Rick did take a chance on an injured RT last yr B.Williams.

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Not the same injury as anything previously reported.

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Yup - and one of DB's years Studdard was the LG.
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2009 14 starts. Amazing.
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I still wonder how good this team would be if we had kept the o line of 2011
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