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Old 12-17-2013   #621
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Nope, this philosophy is garbage and the quicker Texan fans realize it the better we will all be. It doesn't take years to rebuild in todays NFL. Ask the Eagles, Chiefs, Miami, Detroit and Arizona. All picked top 10 last year and are playing for playoff spots. Todays NFL is crazy and you can easily flip a roster and coaches and become competitive the next year. Im still convinced 2015 will be our super bowl year. Take next year to improve and the 2nd year with new coaches and players we make our run.
It's not a philosophy. It's a reality. It doesn't matter if we ascribe to it or not, it just is.

I will be more than happy for our team to hit the jackpot and win the lottery and get all the right pieces in place after one season. And, yes, some teams do flip and win some games.

Chiefs: How many times have they rebuilt before they got it "right" with Reid this year? And... will this be sustainable success on their part?

Dolphins: Yeah. I remember them. They were the poster-child of the quick turnaround model we were supposed to follow... when SPARANO turned them around from a 1-15 team to an 11-5 team. How long did that last? One year? And then three years of below 500 ball before Philbin appears to have MAYBE turned it around? Maybe.

Detroit? Are they turned around? They may not even make the playoffs and how many different coaching staffs have they been through? How many random groupings of crap did they have to go through before hitting the jackpot?

The Eagles? OK. Maybe. But they could still lose their division to the COWBOYS. And if they don't win their division, they're not going to get in as a wildcard.

Arizona could be a good example of doing it right but the results aren't in, yet.

The teams you should be pointing at are the Niners, the Seahawks, the Saints, and the Patriots.
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Look at what Kansas City did in one season. They got themselves a new head coach (Andy Reid), and then went out and grabbed Alex Smith in a trade with the Niners.
Look at what the Dolphins did in one season. They went from 1-15 to 11-5. THAT was a turnaround.

Of course, that was also against a last place schedule and after that they had three losing seasons and the coach that got them that turnaround was fired and they went in another direction.

The Chiefs may or may not be "turned around". One season does not a change in culture or turn-around make.
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*****!!! I know better tight ends and receivers that this team has!!!
Funny, most of the ones I see you with look like defensive ends and guards.

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It is hard to read so much cynicism. I do understand it. However, particularly for those of you who ceased to believe in the Gary Kubiak train a few years ago, this is a time for optimism! The leaked list of candidates is a good list. I can not promise the best decision will be made, but it is certainly a possibility.

Also, we can argue back and forth about the state of the Texans' talent base. Other than a claim that we are bereft of talent (like we were in 2005), the truth will never be known. However, we do know that the following equation is well within the realm of possibility:

current talent + new coaching staff + off-season free agents and draft picks could = a 10-12 win season in 2015... We can know this because it similar turnarounds have happened for other teams in recent history (KC). Also, we know it is possible because the current roster is not missing a volume of talent from 2012's 12 win team greater than what could be replaced with our collection of draft picks and free agency potential... Perhaps circumstances were very kind to the Texans in 2012 and that was a big reason for their success... Still, circumstances could be kind again in 2014... Also, if the right coach is in place, fewer dominoes need to fall for a dramatic turnaround to occur.

Let's look at what could happen:

1. It is possible to likely (depending on your perspective) that the Texans will hire a better head coach than Kubiak.

2. Texans are in a great draft position, have all of their picks, and will also receive 2-3 compensatory draft picks somewhere between rounds (4-6).

3. The Texans will be focused on upgrading the QB position and their are a number of options/possibilities that could accomplish that.

4. The Texans are under the cap.. don't have to cut anyone in order to keep what they have and fill the roster with the draft and at least some lower-tier free agents.

5. The Texans could, if the front office and head coach desired, to carve out significant room under the cap and make dramatic changes to the veteran personnel through free agency (only 3 player contracts on the entire roster would have a greater cap hit in 2014 if the player was cut or traded than than their cost under the cap if the played for the Texans next year: Cushing, Hopkins, Swearinger)... This is a huge point! That means that the new coach could clean house with anyone and everyone on the roster, other than those three, and net cap savings by dumping them- the only issue would be the cost of their replacement. The point is, however, that the new coach has enormous freedom to alter the personnel as he sees fit, either to address locker room culture, poor play, etc... That is a very attractive situation for a new head coach. In 2006, Smithiak inherited a cap disaster. The team had unending dead money and huge dollars tied up into low performing and old veterans who were upside down in their contracts- meaning it was cheaper to keep a guy like Zac Weigert or Anthony Weaver around for $5 million a year than to cut him.

6. The Texans will have no worse than the 2nd pick in the draft... and, under this CBA, those are highly coveted picks because huge salaries and bonuses are no longer attached to those picks as they were before 2011. That means their pick will have greater trade value... Also, the consequences for the Texans if they miss on the pick do not cripple and haunt the team and the cap for years- only the missed opportunity to get a great player will hurt the team. (by the way, while Rick Smith's record in the draft is mixed, he has been great in round one- and has executed those picks much lower in the round.

7. Last but not least... The best argument for hopeful optimism right now is:

We're due! Right? Houston football fans are due to have lady luck smile on the team.... I just talked myself straight out of hopeful optimism and into arrogant certainty!! Texans are headed to the Superbowl next year! Reserve plane tickets and hotel room now for good rates.
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"Rebuilding" is tearing it down and starting over and over and over again. You don't want to get into a cycle of tearing down and rebuilding over and over. That's what happens with the Browns, the Bills, the Lions (until the last two or three years), and other franchises that have losing cultures.

"Retooling" is different and it's something that good franchises have to do all the time, especially if they have a down year like we are this year. "Retooling" entails keeping what works and bolstering the rest. For us, we need a new coach and given that we've lost so many games by 7 points or less, it's mostly a coaching problem. Obviously, as I've said before, depth matters too.

Hit on a coach, bolster the depth, and we'll be ready to rock n' roll.
Would not rebuilding be rebuilding regardless of the years? In other words you can rebuild for one year or over and over.
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It is hard to read so much cynicism. I do understand it. However, particularly for those of you who ceased to believe in the Gary Kubiak train a few years ago, this is a time for optimism! The leaked list of candidates is a good list. I can not promise the best decision will be made, but it is certainly a possibility.

Also, we can argue back and forth about the state of the Texans' talent base. Other than a claim that we are bereft of talent (like we were in 2005), the truth will never be known. However, we do know that the following equation is well within the realm of possibility:

current talent + new coaching staff + off-season free agents and draft picks could = a 10-12 win season in 2015... We can know this because it similar turnarounds have happened for other teams in recent history (KC). Also, we know it is possible because the current roster is not missing a volume of talent from 2012's 12 win team greater than what could be replaced with our collection of draft picks and free agency potential... Perhaps circumstances were very kind to the Texans in 2012 and that was a big reason for their success... Still, circumstances could be kind again in 2014... Also, if the right coach is in place, fewer dominoes need to fall for a dramatic turnaround to occur.

Let's look at what could happen:

1. It is possible to likely (depending on your perspective) that the Texans will hire a better head coach than Kubiak.

2. Texans are in a great draft position, have all of their picks, and will also receive 2-3 compensatory draft picks somewhere between rounds (4-6).

3. The Texans will be focused on upgrading the QB position and their are a number of options/possibilities that could accomplish that.

4. The Texans are under the cap.. don't have to cut anyone in order to keep what they have and fill the roster with the draft and at least some lower-tier free agents.

5. The Texans could, if the front office and head coach desired, to carve out significant room under the cap and make dramatic changes to the veteran personnel through free agency (only 3 player contracts on the entire roster would have a greater cap hit in 2014 if the player was cut or traded than than their cost under the cap if the played for the Texans next year: Cushing, Hopkins, Swearinger)... This is a huge point! That means that the new coach could clean house with anyone and everyone on the roster, other than those three, and net cap savings by dumping them- the only issue would be the cost of their replacement. The point is, however, that the new coach has enormous freedom to alter the personnel as he sees fit, either to address locker room culture, poor play, etc... That is a very attractive situation for a new head coach. In 2006, Smithiak inherited a cap disaster. The team had unending dead money and huge dollars tied up into low performing and old veterans who were upside down in their contracts- meaning it was cheaper to keep a guy like Zac Weigert or Anthony Weaver around for $5 million a year than to cut him.

6. The Texans will have no worse than the 2nd pick in the draft... and, under this CBA, those are highly coveted picks because huge salaries and bonuses are no longer attached to those picks as they were before 2011. That means their pick will have greater trade value... Also, the consequences for the Texans if they miss on the pick do not cripple and haunt the team and the cap for years- only the missed opportunity to get a great player will hurt the team. (by the way, while Rick Smith's record in the draft is mixed, he has been great in round one- and has executed those picks much lower in the round.

7. Last but not least... The best argument for hopeful optimism right now is:

We're due! Right? Houston football fans are due to have lady luck smile on the team.... I just talked myself straight out of hopeful optimism and into arrogant certainty!! Texans are headed to the Superbowl next year! Reserve plane tickets and hotel room now for good rates.
Texans hired a better coach than Capers, upgraded QB position from Carr, have been under cap and got high level FAs before.
As a Texans fan, I have been due for years.
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Would not rebuilding be rebuilding regardless of the years? In other words you can rebuild for one year or over and over.
As in put something in place then tear it down once it failed and start from scratch, rinse repeat.
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one more loss locks in the #1 pick.

yay us.
Not really. If we finish with 3 wins and Washington loses out with a total of three wins, The Rams with Washington's pick get the first pick based on Washington's weaker Strength of Schedule.

One more loss does lock us into a top 2 pick. We're a top 7 lock now.

Oops! Old news. Thorn already said this. I've got to stop posting before reading the entire thread.
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I think the Rams take Mathews .
I Guarantee that the Rams would find a trade partner should they get #1. Probably Cleveland.
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So some folks are really content to go through another season like this one to have a chance at the "heralded" QB draft class of 2015?

Because the guys coming out are stone cold locks right? Riiiight.

Cutler is dumpster juice and Rivers is having one of his best seasons so that definitely means SD is in a rush to get rid of him. SMH.

I'm not impressed enough with the so called blue chip OL coming out, let alone use the first pick on one. Screw it, trade down into the 20's, pick up a guard and get an extra 3rd round pick right? Brilliant.
I like what you have to say and feel like this logic is lost on many.

2014 QB Class was supposed to be amazing just 9 months ago IIRC. Maybe it fell off a little, but when you have the 1st pick, it hasn't fallen off for you specifically.

I can already see the scenario where Lovie Smith comes in, we build an awesome O Line and Defense and still have another Rex Grossman clone throwing the football and we obviously get our ass handed to us again.

Enough with the O Line. What are we protecting?? One position changes franchises time and time again, yet we have gone through this "ride or die" approach with 2 mediocre to poor ones in our 12 year existence. Enough already.
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I Guarantee that the Rams would find a trade partner should they get #1. Probably Cleveland.
Or the Jags, which could haunt us for many years to come

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Better than taking an overrated Bridgewater and suffering the consequences of that decision for another decade. Give me Clowney and fix the trenches this yr so that the 2015 QB pick will have a greater chance to succeed.

BTW, did't that dumpster juice Cutler take his undermanned team to a NFC championship game 2-3 yrs ago. Aren't they in 1st place in their division this yr? Yep, that's real dumpster juice.
LOL, in 2010, he took an "undermanned" team to the NFC championship game where he scored 14 points and lost. 23 TDs and 17 turnovers w/ 3000 yards isn't really carrying an "undermanned" team IMO.

That year they had a top 5 defense in the NFL with that was constantly forcing turnovers and scoring off them. They haven't been to THE PLAYOFFS since. And he's missed extensive time (including that championship game after he threw a pick) and our backups have proved they don't have what it takes here in Houston.

Are we attributing this season's Bears' success to Cutler now? The record with him has been 5-3 and without him 3-3. Doesn't seem like a key cog to me. They also have a worse record than the Cardinals who are currently NOT in the playoffs, and are themselves just 1 game ahead of 2 others in division.

The guy isn't a dumpster fire, but he is nothing more than a strong arm, middle tier of the QBs in the NFL today. Sorry, but signing that guy to a 4 year contract does not impress me whatsoever.
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Man, I sure hope they at least give Zimmer an interview. I know he doesn't fit McNair's ridiculous guidelines for the next head coach, but the dude deserves a looksee
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Funny, most of the ones I see you with look like defensive ends and guards.

Then there's the tackles on the way out.


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Default Re: New HC candidates

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Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck View Post
...The Steelers have done the same thing when they promoted Cowher from within...
Good post, but slight correction: Cowher wasn't on the Steelers' staff - he was hired from KC (where he was Schottenheimer's DC).

Hey, if the Steelers had adhered to McNair's unnecessarily restrictive criteria, they wouldn't have hired Cowher (since he had never been a head coach). Same for Tomlin.

Thank God the Steelers' FO is smarter than that.
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