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Old 12-03-2013   #21
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Mariota is is in a very similar position that Barkley was two years ago. The mere fact of him returning school already has the media making him better than he is. This is true of most media hyped QBs who return to school.
In fairness, Mariota has played very well this year but wasn't spotless; there were concerns about Barkley's arm strength that another year in school wouldn't fix. The same can't be said for Mariota.
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In fairness, Mariota has played very well this year but wasn't spotless; there were concerns about Barkley's arm strength that another year in school wouldn't fix. The same can't be said for Mariota.
The issue I have with Mariota is that he has zero experience playing under center, but that can be said for a good majority of the QBs coming out.
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In fairness, Mariota has played very well this year but wasn't spotless; there were concerns about Barkley's arm strength that another year in school wouldn't fix. The same can't be said for Mariota.
How quickly we forget, Barkley was a sure fire first rd pick according to the media if he had come out his Jr. year, just like Lienart. Them boys got the same hype Mariota is getting now. Them boys then had a higher ceiling than Mariota. The media has a tendency to sensationalize, it makes for a better read and an easier sell.
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Good choice. Manziel needs to go back to school too.
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Except Winston will still claim the #1 QB spot. Don't think his "stock" can go much higher.
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Except Winston will still claim the #1 QB spot. Don't think his "stock" can go much higher.
It's not always about going back to be the #1 WB next year. Sometimes guys just need to improve and aren't quite ready.
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How quickly we forget, Barkley was a sure fire first rd pick according to the media if he had come out his Jr. year, just like Lienart. Them boys got the same hype Mariota is getting now. Them boys then had a higher ceiling than Mariota. The media has a tendency to sensationalize, it makes for a better read and an easier sell.
Gotta agree with this. Media was basically reporting that Barkley was turning down the #1 overall pick for another year in college. I liked him coming out but he was never that good.

Mariota is very overrated right now. He has had a ton of success in college so far but he has had to make very few tough throws. He has made plenty of plays from inside the pocket, but his ability to run scares defenses into playing him differently than he would see in the pros. Hopefully he gets some more experience reading and throwing against real coverages next year.
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http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...l-draft-grade/

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Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota has requested that his draft stock be evaluated by the NFL despite his announcement on Dec. 3 that he would return to play for the Ducks in 2014, according to a report from NFLDraftScout.com.

The request doesn’t affect Mariota’s eligibility and he is under no obligation to follow its recommendations.

Oregon associate athletic director Craig Pintens said via Twitter that Mariota made the request following the Ducks’ final game against Oregon State, but that Mariota’s decision to return will stand regardless of what the evaluation shows....
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Smart move. I think he sees the QB class coming off weak. If he declares I think he is a 1st round QB.
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Lance Z mentioned it this morning. He feels Mariota would be first QB taken, ahead of Bridgewater.
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Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!

This is the kid that the Texans need. He is big, fast and has a cannon for an arm HOWEVA he cannot be allowed to wear #8...

He is a 6'4 Manziel with a better arm.

Man I hope this happens
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Lance Z mentioned it this morning. He feels Mariota would be first QB taken, ahead of Bridgewater.
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Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!

This is the kid that the Texans need. He is big, fast and has a cannon for an arm...

He is a 6'4 Manziel with a better arm.

Man I hope this happens
I mentioned wanting Mariota potentially ahead of Bridgewater here. But since then I feel that Teddy is more Pro ready. He has better vision and can read the entire field well. Not just making one read and throw.

For the Texans at 1-1, Bridgewater is my 1, and Mariota is my 1A.
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Could be he just wants to know where he stands and what NFL thinks he needs to work on. That's understandable. Very doubtful that if he doesn't have 30 college starts that he will get a first round grade. IMHO he hasn't done anything on the football field that says 1st pick or high first rd pick.
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Could be he just wants to know where he stands and what NFL thinks he needs to work on. That's understand. Very doubtful that if he doesn't have 30 college starts that he will get a first round grade. IMHO he hasn't done anything on the football field that says 1st pick or high first rd pick.
Geez I'm agreeing with Texian...

Mariota is not ready. If you draft him he sits for a year minimum, no questions asked. That's a tough sell for most GMs these days. If you throw him out there too early you risk ruining him.

I like his size, arm, and mobility. His accuracy is okay. My big thing is that the offense he plays in makes him tough to project. Over half his throws are to wide open receivers. He is basically a HS QB as far as the mental part of the game goes.

The mental side of playing QB is the most underrated attribute for the position. All people want to look at is size, arm strength, and athleticism. All things that Mariota has btw.
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I like the guy a lot, but I'm sorry. I do NOT want him to be a Texan.

Oregon has had a 50 point / game offense for a while and all these dudes look sick in college, but on the OFFENSIVE side of the ball who is their big name player in the NFL?

LaGarrette Blount, Kellen Clemens, Ed Dickson?

He's faced 2 middle of the road PAC-12 teams in the last 2 weeks of the season and has looked pedestrian at best. I know he said he's "hurt" or whatever, but give me a break. The NFL isn't easy, everyone is playing "hurt" and only a handful of guys mention it to reporters after the loss to use as a crutch.

Sorry Mariota, but beat it.
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Geez I'm agreeing with Texian...

Mariota is not ready. If you draft him he sits for a year minimum, no questions asked. That's a tough sell for most GMs these days. If you throw him out there too early you risk ruining him.

I like his size, arm, and mobility. His accuracy is okay. My big thing is that the offense he plays in makes him tough to project. Over half his throws are to wide open receivers. He is basically a HS QB as far as the mental part of the game goes.

The mental side of playing QB is the most underrated attribute for the position. All people want to look at is size, arm strength, and athleticism. All things that Mariota has btw.
I agree too. Mariota would only be selected IMO if he could sit for 1 FULL year. Not just 2-3 games. And with McNairs comments about winning now, I think he would want a mentally ready QB if he took a QB at all.

To win now I could see a plan of signing a free agent QB who would almost be plug and play, then selecting a instant impact defender where transition isnt as tough.
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Might Marcus Mariota change his mind?

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On Dec. 3, QB Marcus Mariota released a statement that he intended to return to Oregon for the 2014 campaign, rather than join the NFL draft. However, he reportedly requested an NFL grade prior to that announcement but released the statement before learning his grade. The key here is that no binding decision has been made at this time.

"Regardless of the actual date Mariota requested his grade from the committee, what has become increasingly clear is that he made his statement without actually learning of his grade. Once he receives the grade -- expected to be a top 15 designation -- Mariota may have a harder time turning down the lure of an NFL paycheck," wrote Rob Rang of The Sports Xchange.

"Requesting his grade certainly does not mean that Mariota has changed his mind and will declare early for the 2014 NFL Draft. Many players check with the NFL's free evaluative service simply to get a better grasp on their prospects for the future and fully plan on returning for another year of collegiate action."

By many accounts, Mariota could be the top quarterback taken in the draft, depending on how he might perform during the NFL Combine and Oregon's pro day. When ESPN NFL Insider Mel Kiper Jr. recently released his top options at each position, he ranked Mariota behind only Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater among non-senior QB prospects.

"Mariota has said he'll return to Oregon, but he remains here until he's no longer allowed to change his mind," Kiper wrote.

The deadline for underclassmen to declare for the draft is January 15.

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After stating plans to return, Marcus Mariota requested NFL grade

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After releasing a statement Dec. 3 of his intentions to return to Oregon, the NFL Advisory Committee has since received Mariota's request for an evaluation, NFLDraftScout.com has confirmed.

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According to Craig Pintens, Oregon's senior associate athletic director, Mariota requested his grade "the day after the Civil War." When asked today by Portland Sports Radio station 750 The Game if his plans had changed, Mariota said, "To clear any confusion, I'm very blessed and thankful to come back."

Regardless of the actual date Mariota requested his grade from the committee, what has become increasingly clear is that he made his statement without actually learning of his grade. Once he receives the grade -- expected to be a top 15 designation -- Mariota may have a harder time turning down the lure of an NFL paycheck.

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It isn't difficult to understand why Mariota may want to consider leaving now. The strong-armed, highly athletic passer boasts a more exciting skill-set than any other quarterback potentially available in 2014, including Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater, NFLDraftScout.com's top-rated quarterback at this time.

"Why wouldn't he want to look into [coming out this year]?" one high ranking NFL source said on the condition on anonymity. "[Mariota] could be the first quarterback drafted this year. That may not happen next year."

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Mariota passed for 3,412 yards and 30 touchdowns against just four interceptions in 2013. He also rushed for 582 yards and nine scores. Mariota didn't play as well down the stretch (four interceptions in last two games) after suffering an injury to his left knee against UCLA but ended the Ducks' regular season in fine form by guiding them to an impressive comeback over rival Oregon State in the Civil War.

Regardless of prior announcements made, underclassmen officially have until Jan. 15 to request early admission into the NFL draft.
I am a big Mariota fan and if he enters it makes the Texans' decision at #1 a tough one.
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That article is from over a week ago and he's already reiterated that's he's staying since.
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