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Old 12-14-2013   #81
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Except that no one was projecting Carr as the number one pick. God was that a STUPID pick.
Yeah it was a stupid pick or stupid handling of Carr, but the consensus was that it was going to be either Carr or Harrington going first iirc
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You just described David Carr coming out of college.
Pretty much. I think Carr's mechanics issues were more serious.

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Except that no one was projecting Carr as the number one pick. God was that a STUPID pick.
Yes there were. WalterFootball CNNSI Draftcountdown About.com footballsfuture

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PFW's 2002 mock draft has David Carr going No. 1 overall.
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There is a lot to like about Bortles ... But Im not gonna compare any college QB to Joe Cool. I'm old enough to remember those years, four Super Bowls wins & three Super Bowl MVP's ....
I have watched 4 Bortles games this year, several games with a last possession to win scenario. I was amazed at how calm, alert and focused he always is. Nothing rattled him and in each case he delivered. Those two characteristics, being calm and collected and the ability to orchestrate a game winning drive are what reminded me (IMHO) of "Joe Cool" and the "Comeback Kid" AKA Joe Montona. I too remember Montana very well, I was sitting in the Cotton Bowl watching Joe Cool dismantle Earl Campbell and the Texas Longhorns 38-10. I'll never forget the Cotton Bowl the following year, "The Chicken Soup" game, icicles hanging from the railing and Montana scoring as time ran out to beat Houston 35-34.

On another note, Belichick said the reason they drafted Brady in the 6th round was because of the number of Brady's game winning drives. All the kid did was win. Walsh also noted the same about Montana. Bortles had 4 such games this year.

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Clowney has 4 sacks this year, his specialty is being a pass-rusher, and he's the consensus if not unanimous top defensive pick in this years Draft ? What did I miss ?
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Clowney has 4 sacks this year, his specialty is being a pass-rusher, and he's the consensus if not unanimous top defensive pick in this years Draft ? What did I miss ?
I don't think he's unanimous by any means...
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Pretty much. I think Carr's mechanics issues were more serious.



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sorry worded that badly. My point was that no one had him RATED worthy of the number one pick.
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Brett Kollman, film guru of BattleRedBlog, makes the case for Clowney. Very interesting read, even for someone like me who watched cut-ups of Clowney's game against Tennessee, because Kollmann made the point to watch the entire game, and noted how Clowney was playing when he'd been on the field for a certain length of time, what the context of the play was (after a turnover by the Gamecock offense or whether he had been resting for 20 minutes due to a long drive) and how that affected his play.

Anyone who has questions about Clowney's "motor" or "heart" should give this a read.
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Brett Kollman, film guru of BattleRedBlog, makes the case for Clowney. Very interesting read, even for someone like me who watched cut-ups of Clowney's game against Tennessee, because Kollmann made the point to watch the entire game, and noted how Clowney was playing when he'd been on the field for a certain length of time, what the context of the play was (after a turnover by the Gamecock offense or whether he had been resting for 20 minutes due to a long drive) and how that affected his play.

Anyone who has questions about Clowney's "motor" or "heart" should give this a read.
At the same time, that was his best game from what I saw. He doesn't always play that way.
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At the same time, that was his best game from what I saw. He doesn't always play that way.
He constantly draws double teams though?

With Watt and Clowney on the same DL running a 4-3 the pass rush would be unbelieveable for a decade. Who is currently the Texans best pass rusher other than Watt? What is it about S.Carolina players? Alshon Jeffery got the same type of rap coming out of S.Carolina. He should be in the pro bowl this yr. Same thing with Swearinger minus the pro bowl. I think the problem isn't the players. It's Spurrier.

Is Clowney a generational talent? Is he the best pass rusher in this draft by far?

Is Bridgewater a generational talent? Is Bridgewater the best QB in this draft by far?

Bototm line is Rick will be setting the franchise back for a decade if he picks Bridgewater. IMHO Glitz and glamour over substance.

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The kid comes with no character concerns , has size , speed , arm , accuracy ... pretty much the total package other than the level of competition and his flawed mechanics.

You might have to sit him for a year but you do have the potential of a probowl caliber QB for the next decade if he does reach that potential.
If not , we'll do it again in a couple years .... with a new coach.


If you don't have a franchise QB , go get one.
Short Memory? He just found out he wasn't being charged with rape. Guilty or not, it's a concern.
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At the same time, that was his best game from what I saw. He doesn't always play that way.
Brett just used that game as an example because the entire thing is online and he was better able to make his point about the context of plays when discussing Clowney's effort or lack thereof.
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Short Memory? He just found out he wasn't being charged with rape. Guilty or not, it's a concern.

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