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Old 12-17-2013   #81
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This should be a reality had Rick Smith not screwed up the pick. He took Amobi Okoye 1 pick before SF took Willis in 2007...

Thanks Rick, thanks for F'ing nothing, you incompetent douche-monkey...
Kubiak said that they were targeting Ed Ginn, Jr with that pick.

Think about that.

We could have had Patrick Willis OR Revis-Island.
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Kubiak said that they were targeting Ed Ginn, Jr with that pick.

Think about that.

We could have had Patrick Willis OR Revis-Island.
And we were choosing between Ted Ginn and Amobi Okoye.....
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Kubiak said that they were targeting Ed Ginn, Jr with that pick.

Think about that.

We could have had Patrick Willis OR Revis-Island.
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And we were choosing between Ted Ginn and Amobi Okoye.....
Guys I'm confused. How did we end up as the worst team in the league with these decision makers?
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And we were choosing between Ted Ginn and Amobi Okoye.....
After the awesomeness that was the 2006 draft.
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Kubiak said that they were targeting Ed Ginn, Jr with that pick.

Think about that.

We could have had Patrick Willis OR Revis-Island.
That isn't the way I recall it. I remember it being an outside the team rumor. But certainly could be wrong.
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Who really made the decision on Amobi Okoye?

I remember sitting at Herv's house that draft with Vinny and Porky, and Vinny said that the Okoye pick was a stretch pick for a project player, at best. He mentioned several other players that ended up being great starters that the Texans could have picked instead of Okoye.

What a wasted first round pick. This franchise needs to get out of making decisions like that if they ever want to contend for a championship.
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Who really made the decision on Amobi Okoye?

I remember sitting at Herv's house that draft with Vinny and Porky, and Vinny said that the Okoye pick was a stretch pick for a project player, at best. He mentioned several other players that ended up being great starters that the Texans could have picked instead of Okoye.

What a wasted first round pick. This franchise needs to get out of making decisions like that if they ever want to contend for a championship.
The entire draft class of 2007 was a complete waste as was 2008 (besides Brown) which is why I think we're screwed no matter what we do because we have the same moron drafting as we did then. We got one good player in 2 whole drafts.

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1/10 (from Atlanta) Amobi Okoye Defensive tackle Louisville
3/73 Jacoby Jones* Wide receiver Lane
4/123 (from New Orleans) Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina
5/144 Brandon Harrison Safety Stanford
5/163 (from New Orleans) Brandon Frye Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
6/183 Kasey Studdard Offensive guard Texas
7/218 Zac Diles Linebacker Kansas State

2008
1/26 (from Baltimore) Duane Brown Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
3/79 Antwaun Molden Cornerback Eastern Kentucky
3/89 (from Baltimore) Steve Slaton Running back West Virginia
4/118 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech
5/151 Frank Okam Defensive tackle Texas
6/173 (from Baltimore) Dominique Barber Safety Minnesota
7/223 Alex Brink Quarterback Washington State
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That isn't the way I recall it. I remember it being an outside the team rumor. But certainly could be wrong.
I recall seeing an interview with Kubiak saying that they had been looking at Ginn and hoping he was going to drop to them. He made it sound like Ginn was their guy.

But that was a long, long time ago and I could be mis-remembering.
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Haha, I love how this thread devolved into how Rick Smith sucks.
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The entire draft class of 2007 was a complete waste as was 2008 (besides Brown) which is why I think we're screwed no matter what we do because we have the same moron drafting as we did then. We got one good player in 2 whole drafts.

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1/10 (from Atlanta) Amobi Okoye Defensive tackle Louisville
3/73 Jacoby Jones* Wide receiver Lane
4/123 (from New Orleans) Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina
5/144 Brandon Harrison Safety Stanford
5/163 (from New Orleans) Brandon Frye Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
6/183 Kasey Studdard Offensive guard Texas
7/218 Zac Diles Linebacker Kansas State

2008
1/26 (from Baltimore) Duane Brown Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
3/79 Antwaun Molden Cornerback Eastern Kentucky
3/89 (from Baltimore) Steve Slaton Running back West Virginia
4/118 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech
5/151 Frank Okam Defensive tackle Texas
6/173 (from Baltimore) Dominique Barber Safety Minnesota
7/223 Alex Brink Quarterback Washington State
That's just depressing. Looking at the 2007 and 2008 draft classes as a whole, there was a lot of talent that the Texans failed to value. We should still have starters from those two drafts beyond Brown.

I want to be optimistic about the new regime, but Rick Smith does not give me the confidence to have much faith in his skills as a GM.
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That's just depressing. Looking at the 2007 and 2008 draft classes as a whole, there was a lot of talent that the Texans failed to value. We should still have starters from those two drafts beyond Brown.

I want to be optimistic about the new regime, but Rick Smith does not give me the confidence to have much faith in his skills as a GM.
It's painful looking back at those drafts.

I really hope that we plan to let Rick Smith go. If not, we may be looking at more of the same.
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That's just depressing. Looking at the 2007 and 2008 draft classes as a whole, there was a lot of talent that the Texans failed to value. We should still have starters from those two drafts beyond Brown.

I want to be optimistic about the new regime, but Rick Smith does not give me the confidence to have much faith in his skills as a GM.
That's just it, though.

Who is it that made these draft picks?

Did Rick Smith come up with a list of guys and Kubiak and the other coaches say, "No. Here's the guys we should go with."? Was Rick Smith's list of guys he would have drafted better than the guys we actually drafted?

I don't know.

The guy who should know is McNair.

I hope he's keeping Smith around because he's been in the draft rooms and knows that Smith would have done better without Kubiak and the other coaches over-ruling him. Or something.
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That's just depressing. Looking at the 2007 and 2008 draft classes as a whole, there was a lot of talent that the Texans failed to value. We should still have starters from those two drafts beyond Brown.

I want to be optimistic about the new regime, but Rick Smith does not give me the confidence to have much faith in his skills as a GM.
Maybe a reference point would help. Same drafts:

Patriots: 4 players in the league, 2 with Patriots, 1 starter.
Colts: 6 players in league, 0 with Colts.
Pittsburgh: 7 players in league, 4 still with Steelers (two after stints with other teams), 2 starters.
Ravens: 7 players in league, 3 still with Ravens, 3 starters.
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Drafts are a crapshoot. Not sure why people are shocked by such a high fail rate.
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That's just depressing. Looking at the 2007 and 2008 draft classes as a whole, there was a lot of talent that the Texans failed to value. We should still have starters from those two drafts beyond Brown.

I want to be optimistic about the new regime, but Rick Smith does not give me the confidence to have much faith in his skills as a GM.
I went back and checked because you guys make it seem like we missed on sooooo much great talent. But to my eyes, once you got out of the first & second rounds, who of any value was in either of those drafts when it was our turn to select?? I don't see anybody of real note after the 2nd round. What am I missing?
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Kubiak said that they were targeting Ed Ginn, Jr with that pick.

Think about that.

We could have had Patrick Willis OR Revis-Island.
Why do fans keep saying this? We had Demeco who was DROY the prior season at MLB, and no one seen the "Dunta incident" coming. That being said, those two were probably not even on the teams radar
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I went back and checked because you guys make it seem like we missed on sooooo much great talent. But to my eyes, once you got out of the first & second rounds, who of any value was in either of those drafts when it was our turn to select?? I don't see anybody of real note after the 2nd round. What am I missing?
I should have been more clear with my message, as I do not expect much value in the 4th-7th rounds. If you find a rough gem, fantastic. But I do not fault teams of hit and miss in those rounds.

The first three, however, should bear fruit, and I feel the first round is where you can reallly look at teams and their evaluation process.

Looking at the teams 'cak mentioned, and the obvious thing that sticks out is that they were all drafting in the last part of the first round, where the Texans had the 10th overall pick in 2007. They were 26th in 2008 through trading down, but did great with picking D. Brown. Of course, they were trying to make up for not having a 2nd round pick due to the Schaub trade.

Main point overall, though, was Okoye was a wasted pick for a team that should not have been stretching for project players. It was always a boneheaded decision in my mind.
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Yeah, I still have fantasies about Patrick Willis on this team.
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