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Old 12-16-2013   #441
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The play call we ended the game with was telling of this season. A QB sneak

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From what I can see it looks like the opposite. They seem to be covering the shorter routes with less deep help. I assume they're betting they can get to Case before he sees it and makes an accurate throw. So far they're absolutely right.

On his second interception, they seem less concerned about Martin going long and just sat on AJ's route.

An interesting thing I noticed was that Case was spreading the ball around much better earlier on. Now, much like Schaub, his throws go to AJ or the TE and the others don't see a whole lot thrown their way. And this is with AJ getting most of the attention. Curious why that is. Same thing happened to TJ.
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How many teams in the nfl have a HOF WR or near HOF? Now of those teams if you add the number of targets to that WR and all of the TE on the team would that be the majority of the targets? More than likely and christ that is beyond obvious. FWIW Schaub in previous year did not have an issue spreading the ball around beyond Dre


Disaack dispite the number of targets sleep easy in knowing that no one on the coaching staff has told Matt, TJ or Case force it to Dre no matter what. It on those QB to make the reads on progress through the options
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What a JOKE. How bad is this team going to get before things turn around. Penalties and three points. Three!! Whose at fault? Coaching? They should wear Astros jerseys next week. The last thing one would expect if penalties from a team in collapse. If you can't score and can't stop the opponents at least avoid penalties.
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How many teams in the nfl have a HOF WR or near HOF? Now of those teams if you add the number of targets to that WR and all of the TE on the team would that be the majority of the targets? More than likely and christ that is beyond obvious. FWIW Schaub in previous year did not have an issue spreading the ball around beyond Dre


Disaack dispite the number of targets sleep easy in knowing that no one on the coaching staff has told Matt, TJ or Case force it to Dre no matter what. It on those QB to make the reads on progress through the options
You still keep repeating the bolded as if the rest of us think the following happened: "Hey Matt, TJ, Case..can you guys make SURE to always force it into AJ in short stop and crossing routes, even if he's triple-covered? We don't care if it gets picked off."

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Just thinking out loud, how different would the game have been yesterday if AJ would have caught that first ball? It looked as if it was set up to turn into a big play
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Just thinking out loud, how different would the game have been yesterday if AJ would have caught that first ball? It looked as if it was set up to turn into a big play
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He isn't the great scrambler you are attempting to make him. If he was he wouldn't take 15-20 yard sacks running straight back from the line. He would have run for the first down yesterday when he was rolling to his left and threw it to whatever rb was out there with him. 5-10 seconds? Lol


It's moot not mute. Case is not Russell Wilson or even Johnny football or any other good scrambling qb
You are taking what i am saying out of context AGAIN. I dont mean him scramble to pick up yards, i simply mean his ability to get outside the pocket and make throws down field. You know the plays he was making his 1st three starts. Go back and look at his first 3 starts and u will see what i mean.
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You are taking what i am saying out of context AGAIN. I dont mean him scramble to pick up yards, i simply mean his ability to get outside the pocket and make throws down field. You know the plays he was making his 1st three starts. Go back and look at his first 3 starts and u will see what i mean.


Im not taking anything out of context. He isnt a great scrambler. Yesterday's game he could have run for a first down and didnt but if he was so great on his feet it would have been easy. Since his first 2 games he has tried to scramble he just tends to run in the opposite direction of the line thus taking 15+ yard sacks. He cant duplicate what he was doing in those first two games so if you keep going back to them its worthless.
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You are taking what i am saying out of context AGAIN.
This is what he does. He is a constant straw man debater. He argues against something you did not say, forcing you to explain, no, that is not what I meant...

If you spend time explaining with more clarity, he will take a word to two out and argue again with something you did not actually say.

It's a crazy merry-go-round.
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You still keep repeating the bolded as if the rest of us think the following happened: "Hey Matt, TJ, Case..can you guys make SURE to always force it into AJ in short stop and crossing routes, even if he's triple-covered? We don't care if it gets picked off."



So its not being coached?
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Im not taking anything out of context. He isnt a great scrambler. Yesterday's game he could have run for a first down and didnt but if he was so great on his feet it would have been easy. Since his first 2 games he has tried to scramble he just tends to run in the opposite direction of the line thus taking 15+ yard sacks. He cant duplicate what he was doing in those first two games so if you keep going back to them its worthless.
When i say scramble to move the pocket i mean run to his left or right to move the pocket. And he is only getting 15 yard sacks when guys blitz untouched and he retreats instead of throwing the ball away, two totally different things.
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When i say scramble to move the pocket i mean run to his left or right to move the pocket. And he is only getting 15 yard sacks when guys blitz untouched and he retreats instead of throwing the ball away, two totally different things.


Scrambling to his left/right is an option when someone comes untouched up the middle but so is the turtle and just not losing extra yardage. After his first two games he was still moving to the outside and taking deeper shots he was just missing them. What we saw in the first two games isnt the norm and way too many people got excited thinking it would be the norm for Case

first two games

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If there is a fluke in the scenario it would be the first two games.
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When i say scramble to move the pocket i mean run to his left or right to move the pocket. And he is only getting 15 yard sacks when guys blitz untouched and he retreats instead of throwing the ball away, two totally different things.
There was a perfect example to the contrary yesterday. He dropped back, Newton's guy was bringing him in an arc to the drop spot. The interior OL was holding and there was a large gap to the right between Newton and Brooks. Instead of stepping up and scrambling right, Keenum pulled a 270 degree counter clockwise pirouette to end up with his back to the LOS still in the path of the DE and then headed back and to his original left into the rush from the opposite side Brown had sent way wide (all the while having no chance to look at much less complete a pass). It was horrible decision making. He didn't buy time, he only gave ground.
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Scrambling to his left/right is an option when someone comes untouched up the middle but so is the turtle and just not losing extra yardage. After his first two games he was still moving to the outside and taking deeper shots he was just missing them. What we saw in the first two games isnt the norm and way too many people got excited thinking it would be the norm for Case

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If there is a fluke in the scenario it would be the first two games.
Kubiak did not want Keenum making Schaub look bad, so he coached him poorly/put him in a position to fail.

Duh.
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So its not being coached?
Quite dense, aren't you?

The Texans have developed a "coached" tendency. Much like your tendency to obfuscate the actual argument. Alas, I doubt we can fire your coach.
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Quite dense, aren't you?

The Texans have developed a "coached" tendency. Much like your tendency to obfuscate the actual argument. Alas, I doubt we can fire your coach.
There is nothing coached, tendencies or otherwise causing ints in either tj, case or Matt. Matt lost his marbles, tj and case never had them when this happens to a qb they will try force it to their near hof WR. Eli must have these coached tendencies, geno too or any other qb that goes pick happy
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There was a perfect example to the contrary yesterday. He dropped back, Newton's guy was bringing him in an arc to the drop spot. The interior OL was holding and there was a large gap to the right between Newton and Brooks. Instead of stepping up and scrambling right, Keenum pulled a 270 degree counter clockwise pirouette to end up with his back to the LOS still in the path of the DE and then headed back and to his original left into the rush from the opposite side Brown had sent way wide (all the while having no chance to look at much less complete a pass). It was horrible decision making. He didn't buy time, he only gave ground.
exactly and thats what i'm talking about
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exactly and thats what i'm talking about
Well then that explains the disconnect because I view that play as being on Keenum and you are putting it on the coaches.
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Well then that explains the disconnect because I view that play as being on Keenum and you are putting it on the coaches.
What i am saying is he was leaving the pocket early and often, then the coaches got in his head now he refuses to leave the pocket. Thats why i am putting it on the coaches.
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What i am saying is he was leaving the pocket early and often, then the coaches got in his head now he refuses to leave the pocket. Thats why i am putting it on the coaches.
Well in that play he left the pocket early and dumb. That's why I am not putting it on the coaching.
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