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What this team needs is a good kick in the ass. I hate when everything is going wrong and our coaches just stand their like statues and say nothing to players. I want a coach who holds players accountable, and will rip players a new ass hole when they arent doing their jobs.

Also i have been a big Case suppporter but i think this coaching staff has ruined him and what he does great. He had so man chances to scramble and move the pocket today and yet he didnt. He is staying in the pocket even though he shouldnt. And we all know what he can do outside the pocket.

On that note Case does not look like the answer next season. We better draft good this off season is all i know.

It has to be the coaches that ruined Case, it couldn't be possible he just doesn't have nfl talent to be a starter
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It has to be the coaches that ruined Case, it couldn't be possible he just doesn't have nfl talent to be a starter
Before the coaches got in his head about staying in the pocket he was making all kinds of things happen. Now he is making it a point not to leave the pocket, and also u have selective reading cause if u read farther u will see i said i dont think Case is the answer.
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and also u have selective reading cause if u read farther u will see i said i dont think Case is the answer.
I think many people read up to something they can disagree with and then go straight to their snarky reply, leaving the rest of the post unread.
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I think many people read up to something they can disagree with and then go straight to their snarky reply, leaving the rest of the post unread.
True but still.
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Before the coaches got in his head about staying in the pocket he was making all kinds of things happen. Now he is making it a point not to leave the pocket, and also u have selective reading cause if u read farther u will see i said i dont think Case is the answer.

Maybe the rest of the nfl noticed after a game or two that if you took the deep ball away it was over. I read the rest of your post but it was my laughter over more Case excuses that I had to go back to
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I think many people read up to something they can disagree with and then go straight to their snarky reply, leaving the rest of the post unread.
Or maybe it's the constant excuse factory that has setup shop to blame everyone other than Case
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The majority of the fans wanted Kubiak gone in 2010. If the decision had been put to a vote casted by season ticket holders, he would have been gone. It doesn't work that way, however. Not our fault.
Bob McNair needs to hire more intelligent people to run his team. No player is safe this off season excluding only one, Watt. If it means taking a huge salary cap hit because we have to cut players then do it. Get players here who are going to play when things get tough. I've watched to many players since this losing streak just go through the motions on the field. This is evident by penalties, interviews and their actions on the sidelines during beatings. Look how long it took for them to get rid of Marciano. They kept getting rid of players because this guy was terrible at his job.

Case may or may not be the future but his O line is such garbage. It doesn't help that the greatest Texan to ever put on a uniform mailed it in. I'm sure he'll blame the fans for not showing up on the road though.



I just can't fathom how it went last year to this year.
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Bob McNair needs to hire more intelligent people to run his team. No player is safe this off season excluding only one, Watt. If it means taking a huge salary cap hit because we have to cut players then do it. Get players here who are going to play when things get tough. I've watched to many players since this losing streak just go through the motions on the field. This is evident by penalties, interviews and their actions on the sidelines during beatings. Look how long it took for them to get rid of Marciano. They kept getting rid of players because this guy was terrible at his job.

Case may or may not be the future but his O line is such garbage. It doesn't help that the greatest Texan to ever put on a uniform mailed it in. I'm sure he'll blame the fans for not showing up on the road though.



I just can't fathom how it went last year to this year.
I will help you fathom this,

1. They weren't as good as their record last yr.
2. C-N-D told us after Schaub's injury that his play would fall off from begining of the season to the end of the season. Also his play would fall off each yr after the Lisfranc injury.

C-N-D was spot on in his analysis. Many on the board didn't believe him but the results are what they are. The Texans are the WORST team in the league. This makes me respect what Schaub did for this team pre-injury, even more than I did before.
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An offense is like a car engine. If the timing is off, your 500 HP motor will barely run. That's where this team is. A couple of pieces of the offensive line are broken, so the entire team can't function. New QB or not, the team will function again when the line is fixed. We all know the team is better than this.
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An offense is like a car engine. If the timing is off, your 500 HP motor will barely run. That's where this team is. A couple of pieces of the offensive line are broken, so the entire team can't function. New QB or not, the team will function again when the line is fixed. We all know the team is better than this.
True. At the same time, even if you get the OL fixed, you aren't going all the way unless you have the QB.

We've seen teams with great QB's succeed despite poor OL play. We've seen teams with great OL's succeed despite poor QB play, but the ceiling is always lower. Quarterback is, by far, the most important position for every franchise. OL or not, we have to find that guy or it's all for naught.
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My take away from this game is that Gary Kubiak pretty much was the offense.
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Defenses took a couple games to figure out how to game-plan for Case. He's not going to work out.

Also, when they tried to coach him up, it didn't work. Maybe they should've known it wouldn't, but they kind of had no choice but to try. Keenum just can't do a lot of what a starting NFL QB should do, but he can run around kind of like Manziel and then hit a deep receiver on a broken pattern, which can be easily game-planned against by the Defense.

The O-line is also part of the problem.

Injuries are also part of the problem.

Not making in-game adjustments was/is part of the problem.


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Maybe the rest of the nfl noticed after a game or two that if you took the deep ball away it was over. I read the rest of your post but it was my laughter over more Case excuses that I had to go back to
Watching a game or two is not going to take what Case was doing great away, he still has plenty of time to scramble around, he just isnt doing it. And we all know that CBs can only hang with their guys so long, and him buying 5-10 additional seconds is what was allowing his guys to come open deep.

But now he is making it a mute point not to leave the pocket. Kubiak and Dennison both addressed it saying he needed to stay in the pocket, NOW he does even when he shouldnt. Other coaches adapt to what their QBs do great it is why most of "those" guys still have jobs, and team with winning records. But here at the texans we dont want you to be the player you are, we want you to be the prototypical 1991 QB that we want you to be.
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but he can run around kind of like Manziel and then hit a deep receiver on a broken pattern, which can be easily game-planned against by the Defense. .
From what I can see it looks like the opposite. They seem to be covering the shorter routes with less deep help. I assume they're betting they can get to Case before he sees it and makes an accurate throw. So far they're absolutely right.

On his second interception, they seem less concerned about Martin going long and just sat on AJ's route.

An interesting thing I noticed was that Case was spreading the ball around much better earlier on. Now, much like Schaub, his throws go to AJ or the TE and the others don't see a whole lot thrown their way. And this is with AJ getting most of the attention. Curious why that is. Same thing happened to TJ.
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Watching a game or two is not going to take what Case was doing great away, he still has plenty of time to scramble around, he just isnt doing it. And we all know that CBs can only hang with their guys so long, and him buying 5-10 additional seconds is what was allowing his guys to come open deep.

But now he is making it a mute point not to leave the pocket. Kubiak and Dennison both addressed it saying he needed to stay in the pocket, NOW he does even when he shouldnt. Other coaches adapt to what their QBs do great it is why most of "those" guys still have jobs, and team with winning records. But here at the texans we dont want you to be the player you are, we want you to be the prototypical 1991 QB that we want you to be.

He isn't the great scrambler you are attempting to make him. If he was he wouldn't take 15-20 yard sacks running straight back from the line. He would have run for the first down yesterday when he was rolling to his left and threw it to whatever rb was out there with him. 5-10 seconds? Lol


It's moot not mute. Case is not Russell Wilson or even Johnny football or any other good scrambling qb
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From what I can see it looks like the opposite. They seem to be covering the shorter routes with less deep help. I assume they're betting they can get to Case before he sees it and makes an accurate throw. So far they're absolutely right.

On his second interception, they seem less concerned about Martin going long and just sat on AJ's route.

An interesting thing I noticed was that Case was spreading the ball around much better earlier on. Now, much like Schaub, his throws go to AJ or the TE and the others don't see a whole lot thrown their way. And this is with AJ getting most of the attention. Curious why that is. Same thing happened to TJ.
According to some on here, you & I are imagining this.
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Case still can't read a blitz even if he's told pre-snap, which the Colts were basically doing.

He forces the ball to AJ (pick) when Hopkins is running wide open

Holds the ball too damn long, making DB the scapegoat on the safety.

He's a mess, this team's a mess, this organization's a mess
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Watching a game or two is not going to take what Case was doing great away, he still has plenty of time to scramble around, he just isnt doing it. And we all know that CBs can only hang with their guys so long, and him buying 5-10 additional seconds is what was allowing his guys to come open deep.

But now he is making it a mute point not to leave the pocket. Kubiak and Dennison both addressed it saying he needed to stay in the pocket, NOW he does even when he shouldnt. Other coaches adapt to what their QBs do great it is why most of "those" guys still have jobs, and team with winning records. But here at the texans we dont want you to be the player you are, we want you to be the prototypical 1991 QB that we want you to be.
This post is absurd & why all the Keenum love was unwarranted from the jump...

Your theory also doesn't hold up simply b/c you're not putting things in perspective or being objective at all.

- His 1st game, Kubiak came out & said he all but had sleepovers with the kid helping him to get ready to play against KC...lots of extra time on top of what he normally does was spent getting him ready.

- I'm sure Kubiak spent just as much time with him, if not more, leading up to the Indy game as well b/c he had 2 weeks to prepare him due to the bye.

These were the games Keenum looked the best in. Coincidentally however, these were also the games where he recieved perhaps the most concentrated amount of coaching from Kubiak/Dennison. So if Kubiak was determined to get Case to stay more in the pocket, we likely would've seen what we're seeing now from him from the jump in those 1st 2 games.

Apart from that, you're completely ignoring a few key things:

1.) For 3 of his 8 starts, Kubiak wasn't even around..

2.) We've been calling a myriad of plays that get him outside of the pocket & even give him the option to run..

3.) His tendency to turn his back to a pass rusher bearing down on him is highly unorthodox on this level & is the chief cause of these 20 yd sacks....

I'm fairly sure Kubiak/Dennison aren't/weren't doing these things to prevent him from utilizing his skill set. & in the case of #3, I know they're not teaching him that..... for that precise reason.
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From what I saw yesterday, all things considered, Bob McNair and the Houston Texans might be better off seeing what Vince Young could do rather than Case Keenum. For the record I have never ever suggested the Texans have anything to do with Vince Young. I say it in jest....but things couldn't be any worse.
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