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Old 12-13-2013   #141
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AJ will retire a Texan and go to the HOF wearing a Texans uniform.
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AJ will retire a Texan and go to the HOF wearing a Texans uniform.
100% agree. It will happen. He'll be sporting a Texans #80 jersey. Anything else would be blasphemy.
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February, 2015: AJ scores 3 TDs and is MVP of the Superbowl, sealing his fate as a 1st ballot Hall of Famer.
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It is tougher, but as DB said, the HoF won't abandon all WRs. And since AJ came in, he's the only WR to accomplish some of the things he's done, even against other WRs in the same era. AJ has been better than Fitzgerald for the duration of their careers, better than Roddy White, better than Reggie Wayne, better than anyone, really. In any given year, a WR may outperform him, but over the 11 years he's been in, he's been the best.

Calvin Johnson will probably end up being just as good, but no one else has been better than AJ even in this pass happy era.
Sounds very homerish to decisively suggest that AJ has been better then all of these guys. You could make a strong argument for each one being better in some form depending on what stats you use. They are all great receivers. Some have had better advantages in certain seasons and some have had lesser advantages.

I highly doubt that you would find anyone outside of Houston that would suggest that Calvin might be as good as AJ when most people consider Calvin to be the better receiver now and for several years now. AJ is an all time great in my eyes, but so are several others you just mentioned.
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Sounds very homerish to decisively suggest that AJ has been better then all of these guys. You could make a strong argument for each one being better in some form depending on what stats you use. They are all great receivers. Some have had better advantages in certain seasons and some have had lesser advantages.

I highly doubt that you would find anyone outside of Houston that would suggest that Calvin might be as good as AJ when most people consider Calvin to be the better receiver now and for several years now. AJ is an all time great in my eyes, but so are several others you just mentioned.
AJ has been better over the course of his career than those guys I mentioned. That's not taking away from those guys at all. Any of them may have a season or even two that are arguably better than AJ, but none of them are as high in yards, yards/game, and catches as AJ over the course of a career. The only point to that is it's a pass happy era, but even within that framework, AJ has more yards, yards/game, and catches than his contemporaries in the same era. And he's done it with a significant part of his career being hurt by subpar QBs. AJ did better with Carr than Fitzgerald did with Leinart, for example, and Fitz is the best comparison to AJ.

As for the homerish comment, I've argued both sides of the AJ HOF debate, so neither side ever wants to believe what I type at various times LOL. So whatever.
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I think the perception across the league is that Andre is a future HOF'er. I think many people wonder what his TD #'s would look like with better quarterbacking in his career.
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AJ has been better over the course of his career than those guys I mentioned. That's not taking away from those guys at all. Any of them may have a season or even two that are arguably better than AJ, but none of them are as high in yards, yards/game, and catches as AJ over the course of a career. The only point to that is it's a pass happy era, but even within that framework, AJ has more yards, yards/game, and catches than his contemporaries in the same era. And he's done it with a significant part of his career being hurt by subpar QBs. AJ did better with Carr than Fitzgerald did with Leinart, for example, and Fitz is the best comparison to AJ.

As for the homerish comment, I've argued both sides of the AJ HOF debate, so neither side ever wants to believe what I type at various times LOL. So whatever.
It seems to me that you are only using yards as a barometer which makes AJ look better than a lot of guys in that respect. However, there are a ton of other things to measure a receiver by one of which is a stat that AJ lacks big time which is TD's. AJ has never gotten over 10 while several of these other guys we're discussing have done it routinely along with a lot of yards. Now a lot of that I'll admit was due to coaching with Capers and Kubiak's awful RZ plays that didn't feature AJ well. I think all of us have always believed that AJ's lack of TD's have not really been his fault and more on the coaching staff, but it doesn't change the fact of what his stats say in that category and his whole career of only playing in 4 playoff games between two seasons. I could pull of every stat sheet of those guys mentioned and probably break down a very sound argument for why each one of those WR's were better than the other or why they should be in the HOF, but the fact is that there will probably be several including AJ that don't get it at least for a very long time. I don't think AJ gets in for probably at least 15 years or so and it will have to be in a season where there aren't a ton of "first ballot" shoe in players. I'd say it's about a 50/50 shot that AJ ever gets in.
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Irvin also said he thinks it will be difficult for Johnson to finish his career in Houston.

....no telling what Andre Johnson would have done."

Michael Irvin on Andre Johnson: "If you give him a whole career with Peyton Manning or a whole career with Troy Aikman, then there's ...

And Irvin believes Johnson should be HoF lock because he's never played with a QB who'll be remembered once their career is over.

Michael Irvin made two strong points about Andre Johnson: Best WR in Miami history -- better than Irvin, Wayne...
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Default Re: Realistically, is AJ going to the hall of fame??

I am more interested in seeing if AJ goes to the pay window next season in Houston
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Just an observation - AJ is now routinely referred to as "future hall of famer Andre Johnson." Not possible, potential, if he keeps this up - no qualifiers.
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The truly sad thing is, that if he were paired with a Drew Bree's, Tom Brady, Bret Farve, or Peyton Manning, he would be passing Jerry Rice, and it wouldn't have even be considered a question.......
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At some point, I think (and hope) that the lack of playing with an elite QB will play in his favor. The man has proven he can produce no matter what crap is trotted out to throw the ball to him.

That's got to count for something. At least in my (admittedly biased) book.
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Anyone with half a brain could tell that Andre has more than enough talent to be considered for the Hall of Fame.

I think the issue has always been, are his stats good enough? I don't know the answer to that, but if you look at who he was playing with as he put up those stats then the answer is a most definite yes.
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He's in my opinion the second best to ever play the game. The dude has always brought it with this crap we've given him at QB and for the first 11 years paired next to him at WR. No doubt he goes in IMO.
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AJ for the first time or very soon will have serious competition as the best player in Texans' history, nevertheless there's little doubt that he's going to be the first Texans player nominated to a ballot for HOF consideration and by then it will be time if it's not already time that the Texans to have somebody in the Hall.
Couple that with the general popularity/respect for franchise founder Bob McNair and just the fact that AJ is fully HOF eligible on the merits alone, and I got little doubt that he's the Texans first HOFamer.
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Anyone with half a brain could tell that Andre has more than enough talent to be considered for the Hall of Fame.

I think the issue has always been, are his stats good enough? I don't know the answer to that, but if you look at who he was playing with as he put up those stats then the answer is a most definite yes.
His receptions and yardage by the time he hangs it up are easily Hall of Fame worthy. His TDs are low, but i'm curious to know his numbers for all time redzone targets, because for whatever reason we never throw it to him in the redzone.
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Yes. I think a better question is will he be first ballot?
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Andre in the Hall is a given if the only consideration given is what he did with JAG's for QB's, much less what could have been.

The shame is that Andre's greatness will forever be coupled with a required remembrance of the Texans ineptness.

Barry Sanders is the only other player, off the top of my of head, of such great ability and production that also had to endure such mediocrity from their franchise.
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Andre in the Hall is a given if the only consideration given is what he did with JAG's for QB's, much less what could have been.

The shame is that Andre's greatness will forever be coupled with a required remembrance of the Texans ineptness.

Barry Sanders is the only other player, off the top of my of head, of such great ability and production that also had to endure such mediocrity from their franchise.
Eh, there's a lot of players whose potential was not maximized during their primes.

Who has Tom Brady had to throw to?
How many championships did Marino win?
How many times has Calvin Johnson been in the playoffs?
Who has Larry Fitzgerald had to throw to him?
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Eh, there's a lot of players whose potential was not maximized during their primes.

Who has Tom Brady had to throw to?
How many championships did Marino win?
How many times has Calvin Johnson been in the playoffs?
Who has Larry Fitzgerald had to throw to him?
Tom Brady had Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski. Not to mention very quality o-lines.
I considered Marino, but he had Clayton & Duper and overall some pretty competitive teams throughout.
Calvin's still pretty early on to consider, but he's got a pro bowl caliber qb as is.
Fitzgerald has had f*ck all as of late, but he had a HoF qb early and played on a super bowl team.

I don't think any of those guys for the duration of their careers have settled for the frustration of an Andre or Barry Sanders in terms of team futility. I could see Marino in that convo though.
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