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Old 12-14-2013   #101
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Harbaugh at his hiring press conference was asked, who had final say on the 53 man roster? Harbaugh answered, Trent Baalke.
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Guys who want full control over personnel who have never been an NFL HC before always scare me.

I think the lack of information about who does what in the Texans offices leads to these stupid petty arguments about who should be fired and who brought in the right guys and blah blah blah. Since people like to prognosticate about Rick Smith, I'll throw one in there that has just as much weight as everybody else's:

If Rick Smith is allowed to hire the coach and they are on the same page, then we will be in the playoffs again by 2015.

And that is worth just as much as all of the other "predictions" for Rick Smith in this thread and has just as much information backing it up too (none)!
There are only 3 Head Coaches who had full control of football operations in the last 20 years that I can think of who've been successful, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcels and Bill Belichick. There have been many, many, many who've failed.

Rick Smith was a Jr exec in Denver when he was hired to be Texans GM. Smith's training was virtually in the Shanahan system. Unlike other Assistants who have been trained in all phases and areas of being a true General Manager like Eric DeCosta, Eliot Wolf and Chris Polian for example.

I'll throw one in there that has just as much weight as everybody else's:

As long as Rick Smith is the Houston Texans GM the Texans will not return to the playoffs. (I threw one out there in 2011 and said the Colts would be Division champs in 2013, I also said if the Texans didn't do something to answer Andrew Luck the Texans could repeat their first 5 years in the league, that's looking good too).
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Baalke was made GM after Harbaugh was offered the job and:



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"Same goes for general manager Trent Baalke, who landed his primary target just three days into the GM job."

so Harbaugh wasn't lying when he said Baalke had final say on the 53 man roster?
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Did you read the article?:

"Same goes for general manager Trent Baalke, who landed his primary target just three days into the GM job."
Yes and that doesn't contradict anything I said. Harbaugh was also the primary target of the owner. If you had read the article you would see an offer was already on the table from that owner prior to Baalke being promoted. The announcement of Baalke as GM came in the same press conference as announcing Harbaugh.

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so Harbaugh wasn't lying when he said Baalke had final say on the 53 man roster?
The article makes no mention of confirming your memory and it would be a logical thing to include in comments about the issue. So I am not sure the statement was ever made and certainly was not accusing Harbaugh of lying.

Either way you plainly overplayed your hand and continue to do so.

Saying Baalke will have final say is pure lip service if Baalke is going to match his final decisions to what the HC wants. It is certainly not the no control over personnel situation you were trying to paint.
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Yes and that doesn't contradict anything I said. Harbaugh was also the primary target of the owner. If you had read the article you would see an offer was already on the table from that owner prior to Baalke being promoted. The announcement of Baalke as GM came in the same press conference as announcing Harbaugh.



The article makes no mention of confirming your memory and it would be a logical thing to include in comments about the issue. So I am not sure the statement was ever made and certainly was not accusing Harbaugh of lying.

Either way you plainly overplayed your hand and continue to do so.

Saying Baalke will have final say is pure lip service if Baalke is going to match his final decisions to what the HC wants. It is certainly not the no control over personnel situation you were trying to paint.
You tried to insinuate that Baalke didn't hire Harbaugh. Did he? YES You tried to insinuate that Baalke doesn't have final say on the 53 man roster. Does he? YES Why do you often over play your hand? Argumentative? PROBABLY Until you see the video of a reporter asking Harbaugh who has final say on 53 man roster, and Jim saying Baalke, you'll just have to remained confused. Sometimes it is was it is. Sometimes it is exactly as it is written.

Did I say this article confirms my memory. no that was you. I said Press Conference not your article.
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You tried to insinuate that Baalke didn't hire Harbaugh. Did he? YES
No, the owner hired both Baalke and Harbaugh. Yes Baalke was in on closing the deal.

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You tried to insinuate that Baalke doesn't have final say on the 53 man roster. Does he? YES
Never said or insinuated that. The point was final say on the 53 is not definitive on the discussion of whether the HC is going to have "some control" on personnel. Baalke vowed to not make decisions the HC disagrees with. That confirms that (a) the GM has final say and that (b) the HC is going to have "some control."
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No, the owner hired both Baalke and Harbaugh. Yes Baalke was in on closing the deal.



Never said or insinuated that. The point was final say on the 53 is not definitive on the discussion of whether the HC is going to have "some control" on personnel. Baalke vowed to not make decisions the HC disagrees with. That confirms that (a) the GM has final say and that (b) the HC is going to have "some control."
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Nuance seems to be a dying trait. Lots of folks living in a binary world where the GM is either lackey or dictator.
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I like the idea of Bill O'Brien based on what I've read in this thread.

But, I'm not getting my hopes up. I do not think he leaves Penn State at this point in his career. And, I think he would most likely bring a rebuild mentality to the Texans that McNair openly stated he wants to avoid. O'Brien is going to bring his own OC and DC, and they will have their systems and schemes.

Maybe I'm reading McNair's words too literal, but the owner said it and I have no reason to doubt his intentions. The specific terms "playoff contention" and "not a rebuild" is easy to extrapolate that he wants to keep a lot of the same players and scheme structure into 2014. I do not perceive Bill O'Brien as a coach that will want to be imposed upon by existing structure. If he's anything like Belichick, he's going to want to rebuild his new team in his own mentalities and image.
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Penn State’s Bill O’Brien, who came close to taking the Eagles job a year ago and was approached by several other teams, is ready to return to professional football, according to pro and college sources, and has already been approached by the Texans and Vikings.

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Big leap from having a say to full control. If you think Harbaugh doesn't have ANY input you are kidding yourself
This comes from a discussion of potential UT coaches but it appears there may be tension in San Fran:

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Given the more or less common knowledge of the tension between Harbaugh and young 49ers team president Jed York and GM Trent Baalke -- including Harbaugh puzzlingly turning down a two-year extension to his contract -- it's pretty plain that Harbaugh is currently receptive to different employment options.
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I talked to a person very recently that is close to the Texans. Not exactly an insider (ie not a Texans employee), but someone who knows everyone in the building up to McNair's level. That person told me that O'Brien is very high on the Texans list, and he may even have the inside track at this point, although nothing is set in stone, so this is not a prediction, just a hunch.

As an aside, that person felt Lovie Smith would not be coming to Reliant. Just thought it was an interesting observation. I don't want to say who it is because I don't want to jeopardize my source, and I didn't say I was going to put it on the internet! So not revealing the source.
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Make it so McNair!
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I talked to a person very recently that is close to the Texans. Not exactly an insider (ie not a Texans employee), but someone who knows everyone in the building up to McNair's level. That person told me that O'Brien is very high on the Texans list, and he may even have the inside track at this point, although nothing is set in stone, so this is not a prediction, just a hunch.

As an aside, that person felt Lovie Smith would not be coming to Reliant. Just thought it was an interesting observation. I don't want to say who it is because I don't want to jeopardize my source, and I didn't say I was going to put it on the internet! So not revealing the source.
I'd be really good with this. Sooner or later someone from Belichick's coaching tree is going to work out. This guy looks very promising.
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I've stated it before, I'm a big O'Brien fan. He's been my top option all year.

With that said, there are rumors out there that he won't take an NFL job this year because of promises he made to recruits. The earliest he would take a job is next year.
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I talked to a person very recently that is close to the Texans. Not exactly an insider (ie not a Texans employee), but someone who knows everyone in the building up to McNair's level. That person told me that O'Brien is very high on the Texans list, and he may even have the inside track at this point, although nothing is set in stone, so this is not a prediction, just a hunch.
Your unnamed source might as well be as reliable as any other unnamed source, meaning: Take this for what it's worth.

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Penn State coach Bill O'Brien is the leading candidate to be the Houston Texans next coach, a source close to the search tells CultureMap.

The Texans began putting early back channel feelers out to various coaches to gauge their potential interest even before Gary Kubiak was officially fired on Dec. 6 and have a very good idea at this point who is legitimately in play as a candidate and who is not, the same source says. From that sorting, O'Brien's emerged as the Texans No. 1 target.

O'Brien separated himself with the poise he's shown under extreme circumstances at Penn State University, his NFL experience under New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick and his track record of getting the best out of quarterbacks. He will take a big edge into an interview with the Texans.

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Instead the Texans owner is focused on making a hire who can make an immediate impact and impart a culture change. It's about ensuring he and general manager Rick Smith make the right hire rather than just an economical hire.

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Despite operating under severe scholarship restrictions and a bowl ban, O'Brien's teams tend to get better as the season goes on. Penn State lost to lowly Ohio University in O'Brien's first game in Happy Valley last year and he still ended up winning the Bear Bryant Coach of the Year Award (which happens to be given out in Houston).

Perhaps even more importantly for a Texans franchise still reeling from the Gary Kubiak-Matt Schaub marriage, O'Brien's built something of a reputation as a quarterback whisperer. Whether it's with Tom Brady or an 18-year-old true freshman named Christian Hackenberg.
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There is a good chance that O'Brien would want to draft Blake Bortles:

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I would be ecstatic if Bill O'Brien is our new head coach. It will make this horrific season worth it if he does become our coach. I think it'd be a grand slam hire
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He was the same guy who ripped Brady a new ******* on the sidelines Two years ago and Brady was arguing back. Brady said he was wrong after the game and that he needed to listen to his coach. Brady respected the hell out of him. He didn't have any problems getting in his star player's ass. I liked that about him. He was also the OC when Brady got his 2nd MVP season.
This is what i came in here to say...for him to handle an accomplished qb like Thomas says quite a bit about this guy's leadership qualities. see the below youtube clip.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu9TKEKia9s&noredirect=1

Bill O'brien is my top choice b/c he meets all the criteria i'd like to see for our next HC.

A fresh face, not a retred.......with a winning background that's fairly young & in tune with the emerging NFL.
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