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Old 12-13-2013   #81
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Not sure why in the world it is reasonable to predict Smith has magically gone from no control to total control sufficiently to block a HC candidate McNair otherwise likes.
Might have a little something to do with the Front Office complaining and bellyaching to the national media that the coaching staff has to much control over the draft,

"That frustration channels from the coaching staff holding too much sway over the draft process

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...oaching-staff/

this is a draft process that was agreed to by Bob McNair 8 years ago. Funny how the front office complains about coaching staff having to much control over the draft process but in the Kubiak firing press conference McNair was adamant that this team had Super Bowl talent. To much control over the draft but yet they have Super Bowl talent, Go Figure.

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Another LZ prognostication. Most NFL HC candidates want some level of personnel control. Not sure why in the world it is reasonable to predict Smith has magically gone from no control to total control sufficiently to block a HC candidate McNair otherwise likes.
Either way, I just think it's time for a strong GM, either by McNair giving Smith more power, or him hiring another GM. It's time for the GM of this team to step up and build something, rather than being just a figure head.


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Either way, I just think it's time for a strong GM, either by McNair giving Smith more power, or him hiring another GM. It's time for the GM of this team to step up and build something, rather than being just a figure head.
So if your favorite coaching candidate wants control you'll sacrifice him for Smith to have more power?

I can see the argument for a top tier GM but not just anyone.
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Either way, I just think it's time for a strong GM, either by McNair giving Smith more power, or him hiring another GM. It's time for the GM of this team to step up and build something, rather than being just a figure head.


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Shouldn't the GM be hiring a HC that is on the same page as him regarding the direction of the franchise?

I can see disagreements over a few specific players but if there is a big time disconnect between the front office and the coaching staff regarding what type of players you are looking for then you have no chance for success on the field.

If the GM doesn't approve of the HC's personnel choices then he either did a ****ty job hiring a HC, does a ****ty job evaluating talent, or both...
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Nonsense. There are a lot of successful coaches that do not have full control. If you think Harbaugh in Baltimore is overriding Ozzie you are kidding yourself.


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So if your favorite coaching candidate wants control you'll sacrifice him for Smith to have more power?

I can see the argument for a top tier GM but not just anyone.
Yes, I would. If McNair decides Smith is the guy, we have to roll with that. Tired of the head coach around here having more juice than the GM, and the Texans making decisions by committee; this team needs a clear chain of command.


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Might have a little something to do with the Front Office complaining and bellyaching to the national media that the coaching staff has to much control over the draft,

"That frustration channels from the coaching staff holding too much sway over the draft process

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...oaching-staff/

this is a draft process that was agreed to by Bob McNair 8 years ago. Funny how the front office complains about coaching staff having to much control over the draft process but in the Kubiak firing press conference McNair was adamant that this team had Super Bowl talent. To much control over the draft but yet they have Super Bowl talent, Go Figure.
So which is it BoB? Talent that Gary broyght in, or lack of coaching?
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Shouldn't the GM be hiring a HC that is on the same page as him regarding the direction of the franchise?
This GM is a lapdog that has no business hiring anything other than a secretary. He should have been shown the door with the coach that brought him in.

If this is the guy who is hiring the next head coach of the Houston Texans and have ultimate football authority, then McNair deserves the bottom of the barrel coach he will get.

I don't believe that Smith is hiring anyone. McNair is doing the hiring, and Smith is saying, "Yes, Bob. Whatever you say, Bob. We're back on track now, Bob."
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How long before personel decisions start stiking to teflon Rick?
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How long before personel decisions start stiking to teflon Rick?
I'm just going to throw this out there...

McNair has been in there with Kubiak and Smith (and Wade, for that matter) and he's seen which of these guys stood up and pounded the table for each of the guys we've drafted. We haven't.

If Smith and his scouts preferred some other guys but Kubiak and the other coaches chose guys that weren't as successful, McNair would know that Rick deserves to be heard on this issues... or not. If it was Smith who chose these guys to get the talent in here and then Kubiak was let go because he didn't utilize it right, that's one thing. If Smith's players are the ones who are the stars in the league and the one Kubiak and his crew are the ones who have crapped out, then that's another.

It might be that Kubiak made the call to let guys like Brisiel, Winston, Dreessen, Demeco, Leach, etc. go and Smith might have questioned him on those decisions.

There are lots of ways that Smith could have proved to McNair that he needs more power in personnel decisions.

We haven't been in those rooms. At least, I haven't. So I don't know what the heck is going on in there and which guy has made the right choices and which guy has made the wrong ones.
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Nonsense. There are a lot of successful coaches that do not have full control. If you think Harbaugh in Baltimore is overriding Ozzie you are kidding yourself.


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I'm just going to throw this out there...

McNair has been in there with Kubiak and Smith (and Wade, for that matter) and he's seen which of these guys stood up and pounded the table for each of the guys we've drafted. We haven't.

If Smith and his scouts preferred some other guys but Kubiak and the other coaches chose guys that weren't as successful, McNair would know that Rick deserves to be heard on this issues... or not. If it was Smith who chose these guys to get the talent in here and then Kubiak was let go because he didn't utilize it right, that's one thing. If Smith's players are the ones who are the stars in the league and the one Kubiak and his crew are the ones who have crapped out, then that's another.

It might be that Kubiak made the call to let guys like Brisiel, Winston, Dreessen, Demeco, Leach, etc. go and Smith might have questioned him on those decisions.

There are lots of ways that Smith could have proved to McNair that he needs more power in personnel decisions.

We haven't been in those rooms. At least, I haven't. So I don't know what the heck is going on in there and which guy has made the right choices and which guy has made the wrong ones.
Well said.
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I'm just going to throw this out there...

McNair has been in there with Kubiak and Smith (and Wade, for that matter) and he's seen which of these guys stood up and pounded the table for each of the guys we've drafted. We haven't.

If Smith and his scouts preferred some other guys but Kubiak and the other coaches chose guys that weren't as successful, McNair would know that Rick deserves to be heard on this issues... or not. If it was Smith who chose these guys to get the talent in here and then Kubiak was let go because he didn't utilize it right, that's one thing. If Smith's players are the ones who are the stars in the league and the one Kubiak and his crew are the ones who have crapped out, then that's another.

It might be that Kubiak made the call to let guys like Brisiel, Winston, Dreessen, Demeco, Leach, etc. go and Smith might have questioned him on those decisions.

There are lots of ways that Smith could have proved to McNair that he needs more power in personnel decisions.

We haven't been in those rooms. At least, I haven't. So I don't know what the heck is going on in there and which guy has made the right choices and which guy has made the wrong ones.
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Big leap from having a say to full control. If you think Harbaugh doesn't have ANY input you are kidding yourself
Nuance seems to be a dying trait. Lots of folks living in a binary world where the GM is either lackey or dictator.
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Harbaugh at his hiring press conference was asked, who had final say on the 53 man roster? Harbaugh answered, Trent Baalke.
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All I know is they never listen to me. One might even think they don't even read my posts.
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It might be that Kubiak made the call to let guys like Brisiel, Winston, Dreessen, Demeco, Leach, etc. go and Smith might have questioned him on those decisions.
People always want to blame Smith for the decision to release these players, but they tend to take everything out of context. In the case of Demeco, the hiring of Wade with his 3-4 made DeMeco redundant, and they drafted players to replace Brisiel & Winston but both went on IR this year: is it the GMs fault they got injured ?
Regarding Dreessen & Leach, they made a good-faith effort to resign them but were outbid by the competition, which just goes to show you can't keep everybody.
Now Ed Reed was obviously a bad decision, but there's ample evidence that was the owner's call and resigning Schaub (prematurely it would now seem) was mostly likely Kubiak's decision.
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No, I'm not saying that Harbaugh has no say; I'm say I doubt if he has the so-called "full control" that a lot of coaching candidates supposedly want.


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Nuance seems to be a dying trait. Lots of folks living in a binary world where the GM is either lackey or dictator.
Exactly.


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Guys who want full control over personnel who have never been an NFL HC before always scare me.

I think the lack of information about who does what in the Texans offices leads to these stupid petty arguments about who should be fired and who brought in the right guys and blah blah blah. Since people like to prognosticate about Rick Smith, I'll throw one in there that has just as much weight as everybody else's:

If Rick Smith is allowed to hire the coach and they are on the same page, then we will be in the playoffs again by 2015.

And that is worth just as much as all of the other "predictions" for Rick Smith in this thread and has just as much information backing it up too (none)!
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