Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-18-2005   #21
Goldeagle
Hall of Fame
 
Goldeagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Spring
Age: 41
Posts: 1,816
Rep Power: 12 Goldeagle is a Pro BowlerGoldeagle is a Pro Bowler
Send a message via Yahoo to Goldeagle
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny
Carr makes this line look much much worse than it really is. For me it's really frustrating to watch such bad QB play game after game after game. If Carr had some dynamic plays mixed in with all the short hitch passes I'd be a bit happier...but he can't read defenses and the team doesn't let him throw to the middle of the field because they don't trust him.

I dont think they run anything because if he drops back he gets sacked. They cant run much down the middle because Carr with this O-line an O-line that Mark Schlerith of ESPN (Former lineman) called the worst O-line he has ever seen in all his years of football. The problem with Carr is that he has not developed as Joe Theissman and Tony Dungy have said because of this O-line. Dungy went on to say not even Peyton Manning could do any better.


Carr could be shell shocked though and that means damaged goods. I wont argue with how you feel cuz that is your opinion and well it is yours. I just disagree, this O line has made Carr look FAR more worse than he has or could ever make them look bad.
Goldeagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2005   #22
mean mark8
Veteran
 
mean mark8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Age: 48
Posts: 220
Rep Power: 10 mean mark8 is ridin' the pine
Default

We won the turn-over battle and this third string QB wasn't from Harvard. Of course he still put up better numbers than Carr. I can't wait until the end of the season to see everyone on Caper's staff including himself get the axe as well as Casserly. I'm not too worried about the Reggie Bush bowl. We have lots of needs to fill and we'll be picking a top 5 guy no matter what.
mean mark8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2005   #23
Goldeagle
Hall of Fame
 
Goldeagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Spring
Age: 41
Posts: 1,816
Rep Power: 12 Goldeagle is a Pro BowlerGoldeagle is a Pro Bowler
Send a message via Yahoo to Goldeagle
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mean mark8
We won the turn-over battle and this third string QB wasn't from Harvard. Of course he still put up better numbers than Carr. I can't wait until the end of the season to see everyone on Caper's staff including himself get the axe as well as Casserly. I'm not too worried about the Reggie Bush bowl. We have lots of needs to fill and we'll be picking a top 5 guy no matter what.
Thank God Navarre was not from Harvard lol!
Goldeagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2005   #24
ghostlight
All Pro
 
ghostlight's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: New Braunfels
Age: 66
Posts: 879
Rep Power: 202 ghostlight is a quality contributor and well respectedghostlight is a quality contributor and well respectedghostlight is a quality contributor and well respectedghostlight is a quality contributor and well respectedghostlight is a quality contributor and well respectedghostlight is a quality contributor and well respectedghostlight is a quality contributor and well respectedghostlight is a quality contributor and well respectedghostlight is a quality contributor and well respectedghostlight is a quality contributor and well respectedghostlight is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Vinny, that's how I see it also. The Ol has given some better protection and Carr seems to react to quickly to step out of protection. There have been open receivers down field but his movement puts him in harms way much to often.
__________________
Don't be afraid of the light, it's just me looking for a place to fish.
ghostlight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2005   #25
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
 
Kaiser Toro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Straight Outta Austin
Age: 44
Posts: 16,033
Rep Power: 35068 Kaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respected
Red face

If Carr was indeed calling his own plays he must be commended (no sarcasm) as he managed the game well enough to win and I applaud that. However, what is Carr the playcaller saying about Carr the QB when 75% of his passer are passes within 3 yds of the line of scrimmage.

Did anyone notice that DC the playcaller only threw to AJ once after 13:18 in the second half and that was the interception. Before 13:18, AJ had seven catches, wouldn't someone who has their finger on the pulse of the game know that AJ had no looks. Did anyone on the staff tell DC, or do you think they were hanging DC out to dry and expose his lack of QB IQ?

After 12:13 and us up by 27-10 we go the following on our possessions fo the rest of the game:
3 and out
3 and out
5 and interception (interception was not caused by OLine)
3 and out
2 and fumble (fumble was not caused by OLine)
3 and out
3 and FG

Once again I commend DC for taking advantage of this opportunity, but it was not a total victory, in my opinion, in the eyes of Dan Reeves.
__________________
Smell the glove is here
Kaiser Toro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2005   #26
Hervoyel
The Right Track
 
Hervoyel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 49
Posts: 14,556
Rep Power: 228095 Hervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny
For me it's really frustrating to watch such bad QB play game after game after game.
Exactly and it never seems to be addressed, only gameplanned around. For instance say they drafted a QB who could only throw 5 yard passes to his left as long as his target was standing perfectly still and then instead of going "wait a minute? This is nuts!" they decided to take all of the passing plays out of the playbook that didn't fit this description instead of trying to teach him to do something else.

I really wonder sometimes if I've ever seen anything like this before in the NFL. I mean, admittedly I've really only paid a lot of attention to Houston teams (Oilers, Texans) but I don't think I've ever seen an offense cut back (almost completely) to one single type of play before. I swear I think the Oilers gave Bucky Richardson more variety to work with when he got a start.
__________________
A wise man once said "...well at this point it's all been hashed out and you either see it or don't. Hoping for a win next week" - HTown2ATX
Hervoyel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2005   #27
Double Barrel
Modified Simian
 
Double Barrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Onward, Upward, and back into the Trees
Section: Gridiron, Tx
Age: 47
Posts: 30,472
Rep Power: 283896 Double Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

I've been wanting them to start Banks or Ragone the past few games just to see what they could do behind this line. What do we have to lose? If someone else can step in and make something of it (like Brad Johnson did with the Vikings), we'd have a better idea in the debate of Carr vs. o-line.

He had some pretty weak throws today, that's for sure.
__________________
"Football is only a diversion." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS
Double Barrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2005   #28
Grndzro
Rookie
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Age: 40
Posts: 16
Rep Power: 0 Grndzro is ridin' the pine
Default I have to disagree

There are definately Pro Carr and anti-Carr members of this forum and I see for the most part everyone falls either far right and far left. I tend to stay in the grey somewhere in between. I think it is a combination of things that have detered his progression. The combination of o-line, coach philosophy, and Carr himself. I believe the coaching staff got tunnel vision on the sack issue that they have ruined this offense to the point that it is completely broke. Some of you have such "inside knowledge" that you know how the plays are called and what Carr is told by the coach. Vinny I really enjoy your knowledge of the game and your point of view, but I have noticed over this season that you have been increasingly bitter and down on the whole team even when there are some good things that happen (I will say they are few and far between). I can not remember one good thing you have said about this team. I can understand because of the product that is now on the field, but I think you were once alot more even keeled than I have seen this season. I could be wrong, but I look forward to the old Vinny's return. I think it will take Carr making some changes, a coaching change, and more offensive talent to really make it a better product. Remember the old saying about the glass being half full, lol.
Grndzro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2005   #29
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,680
Rep Power: 134504 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Thanks for the nice words and the semi-backhanded compliment but I don't gloss homerisms for 2-12 teams that are 30th and 31st in the NFL on both sides of the ball. We have been awful this year...no getting around it.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2005   #30
Grndzro
Rookie
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Age: 40
Posts: 16
Rep Power: 0 Grndzro is ridin' the pine
Default

Vinny I completely understand and I by know means want to gloss anything over, but at the same time I understand all that seems to be wrong with this team yet I respect the fact that they come out play hard, don't quit, and have some heart. Eventually that will get them further than you might think in the future. I understand your points on talent and I agree on several issues but not all on Carr, but i will give credit to them when they warrent it. I look forward to your contiued knowledge and assessment.
Grndzro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2005   #31
mean mark8
Veteran
 
mean mark8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Age: 48
Posts: 220
Rep Power: 10 mean mark8 is ridin' the pine
Default

Does anyone else notice that JP Losman, and 2 3rd string QBs nobody has ever heard of have had better stat lines when we've played them than Carr has had in the same game? I'm more with Vinny, our defense is horrible and I want some honest competition for Carr's job. I don't think in the 32 years I've followed pro football I've seen a team so blindly stick with one QB who's having such a cruddy year. After 14 games, Carr has finally gone over 2,000 yards yet he's the only QB to have thrown a pass for us all year. We've been blown out in lots of games yet we've not once put Ragone in to even take a snap. Why'd we send him to NFL Europe anyway? Of course this is the same coaching staff who started Riley for over half of the season just to RELEASE him because he was worse than any other lineman on the team, including all of our backups and guys not even active for games. If I were McNair, I'd be looking for some outside help to evaluate these guys too because they just look like they haven't got a clue. Maybe Reeves will demand to see Ragone get some playing time.
mean mark8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2005   #32
blockhead83
All Pro
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: College Station, Texas
Age: 31
Posts: 715
Rep Power: 11 blockhead83 is a fan favorite
Send a message via AIM to blockhead83
Default

I actually got to go to the game today, which was awesome, here's my thoughts:

- Jason who? Oh yea, Jason Babin, he finally played like the guy we were expecting with our first round pick. 2 sacks, a FF, and a whole lot of hustle.

- Dunta played decently, but he is still by no means a shutdown corner, he may have even regressed a touch since last year. He's still great and the heart of our secondary, but he could play better.

- Wells is a solid backup, he's improved alot since his rookie year by using his size more to his advantage, but IMO he's peaked and he's just a solid backup.

- Morency has some great burst, I look forward to seeing more from him the next couple seasons.

- Our safety play was MUCH improved and that had alot to do with this win. Earl was laying the wood and both he and CC finally got their hands on some passes. We have a good looking young duo back there.

On the subject of Carr and the O-Line, I learned my lesson in the Rams game. It sure looks like the OLine is giving him time when he gets rid of the ball in 0.75 seconds, try and let him take a 5 step drop and he'll still get sacked. Carr doesn't make the OLine look any better, but guess what, they're still not giving him the protection he needs to go through his reads on a regular basis. How can you expect him to progress in making reads when the coaches scheme our offense with runs and 1 look hitch passes? Atleast give him an average NFL offensive line, an o-coordinator who's not afraid of throwing the ball, and another season before you write him off. He simply hasn't had a fair shake with this club yet, and it's difficult to argue otherwise if you've been watching this team since it's inception.

Overall, good game, would've been great game if we hadn't let up in the second half. You'd think after all the times he's played more conservatively in the second half and ended up losing he'd have abandoned that philosophy.

*EDIT* However, I would definitely love to see the team bring in some good veteran competition for Carr. He hasn't had a fair shake but he hasn't proven anything yet either. It could do nothing but help us to bring in some competition and find out just how much of this is Carr's fault.

Last edited by blockhead83; 12-18-2005 at 10:31 PM.
blockhead83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2005   #33
SESupergenius
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiddy
Carr had plenty of time today. The Cardinals were the ones that didnt. And Carr was calling most of the plays, atleast in the first half, according to the SR610 crew.

Either way, Carr screwed up a few times:
1) Before our first TD, Carr had plently of time, got happy feet and instead of stepping up and getting a few more seconds, he scrambled forward for a yard or two.
2) At our 8, 2nd down, 20 seconds left in the half, Carr spikes the ball to get to the 3rd down and then calls a timeout so he wasted a down. We have to settle for a FG.
3) The INT. The LB baited him like Carr was a rookie.
4) After we had gotten a turnover, Carr scrambles to buy time and then instead of throwing it away, tries to pick up 2 yards and fumbles the ball.

If Warner plays the entire game, we lose.
Funny how you don't mention ANY of Carr accomplishments today. Do you want me to name you a few or are you just that biased?
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2005   #34
Hervoyel
The Right Track
 
Hervoyel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 49
Posts: 14,556
Rep Power: 228095 Hervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldeagle
I dont think they run anything because if he drops back he gets sacked. They cant run much down the middle because Carr with this O-line an O-line that Mark Schlerith of ESPN (Former lineman) called the worst O-line he has ever seen in all his years of football. The problem with Carr is that he has not developed as Joe Theissman and Tony Dungy have said because of this O-line. Dungy went on to say not even Peyton Manning could do any better.


Carr could be shell shocked though and that means damaged goods. I wont argue with how you feel cuz that is your opinion and well it is yours. I just disagree, this O line has made Carr look FAR more worse than he has or could ever make them look bad.
I have a question. Which O-line are you talking about? Is it the 2002 O-line that helped generate 76 sacks and set the record because there are only two starters left over from that group and they don't run the same run blocking scheme or pass protection assignments that they did then. They aren't being coached by the same guy anymore.

Is it the 2003 version of the offensive line that helped drop that total to a more respectable 36 sacks? That group again has the same two starters (Pitts and McKinney, Weigert is in and out so I don't know what to say there) This group started run blocking pretty well and seemed to come together on the pass protection.

Are we talking about the 2004 version with Seth Wand at LT and Chester Pitts at LG? Steve McKinney and Zach Weigert were the only two guys to stay in their previous position and Todd Wade was new to the team. Wand was little more than a rookie starting at LT. New coach in Joe Pendry and a new way of doing things in run blocking and pass protection brought that sack total back up into the mid to high 40's (I can't remember).

Or is it this 2005 group that have more players changing positions again than I think we even had in our first year. Victor Riley is in, Wand is out, Pitts is a LG, no wait a LT, Hodgdon is the C and McKinney is the LG...but he makes the line calls and....wait, Hodgdon is down, McKinney is back to C and now Milford Brown is going to be our LG. Riley can go to RT since he plays there and Wade is down but wait, Riley sucks and he's cut, Weigert is now our RT even though he's a better RG and Weary is our new RG (We still have a guy named Weary on our team?) and Brown stays at LG. I think. Maybe....For a game or two at least. Where's Wand?

This is the worst built (and coached) offensive line in history but these are not the worst offensive linemen out there. I simply do not believe that these guys are as bad as the circumstances have made them. No continuity is present and players, positions, and schemes change almost yearly.

I don't blame the Texans for the moves that didn't work out. I blame them for creating this roller coaster of an O-line that never once has been allowed to build on the things that worked. Yes things have worked.

36 sacks in 2003 was functional pass protection. Davis getting a thousand yards in 2003 was just as good as the same thousand he got in 2004 and he will probably get in 2005. How did the zone blocking scheme help? How did Joe Pendry's working with the line do anything but blow up what had worked to much greater effect the year before he arrived?
__________________
A wise man once said "...well at this point it's all been hashed out and you either see it or don't. Hoping for a win next week" - HTown2ATX

Last edited by Hervoyel; 12-19-2005 at 12:57 AM.
Hervoyel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2005   #35
Hervoyel
The Right Track
 
Hervoyel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 49
Posts: 14,556
Rep Power: 228095 Hervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SESupergenius
Funny how you don't mention ANY of Carr accomplishments today. Do you want me to name you a few or are you just that biased?
Are you talking about his astonishing 3.7 yards per pass? Was it the pick? His completion percentage wasn't shabby at all so maybe that's the accomplishment of which you speak.

All he did today was execute a gameplan that just about any pine rider in the NFL today could have done. Banks can make those throws and call those audibles. Ragone could do it. Hell, Navarre would have looked like Carr in our offense today.
__________________
A wise man once said "...well at this point it's all been hashed out and you either see it or don't. Hoping for a win next week" - HTown2ATX
Hervoyel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2005   #36
SESupergenius
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hervoyel
Are you talking about his astonishing 3.7 yards per pass? Was it the pick? His completion percentage wasn't shabby at all so maybe that's the accomplishment of which you speak.

All he did today was execute a gameplan that just about any pine rider in the NFL today could have done. Banks can make those throws and call those audibles. Ragone could do it. Hell, Navarre would have looked like Carr in our offense today.
What is this Carr's offensive plan or the Coaches?? You confuse yourself by not distingquishing the player from the plays called. Carr has to play the cards delt with. Carr lead this team to plenty of scoring drives this game, but of course he will not get the credit by you because that would mean you'd have to actually say something positive about the team and Carr.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2005   #37
ccdude730
Hall of Fame
 
ccdude730's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Corpus Christi
Posts: 1,615
Rep Power: 129 ccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to ccdude730
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SESupergenius
What is this Carr's offensive plan or the Coaches??
theres an advantage to staying up late

from the chron
Quote:
But from the opening kickoff, the Texans played as if they had every intention of winning. With quarterback David Carr calling the plays in the first half, the Texans scored a franchise-record 24 points in the second quarter. They finished with a season-high 30 points.

"Our plan was to let David take charge of the offense," McKinney said. "It was a cat-and-mouse game, and I thought David handled it well. They were giving him some tough looks. He was doing a good job of putting us in the right plays for the right looks."

Coach Dom Capers and offensive coordinator Joe Pendry allowed Carr more freedom in the first half than Carr has had at any time in his career.

"We've done it before, but we did a lot more of it today," Pendry said. "We need to be prepared to do it every week. Because he has a good understanding of the offense, we know we can."

Carr was 16-of-20 for 93 yards in the first half, and after Pendry took over the play calling in the second half, the QB was 6-of-13 for 57 yards.
__________________
ccdude730 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2005   #38
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
 
Kaiser Toro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Straight Outta Austin
Age: 44
Posts: 16,033
Rep Power: 35068 Kaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro
If Carr was indeed calling his own plays he must be commended (no sarcasm) as he managed the game well enough to win and I applaud that. However, what is Carr the playcaller saying about Carr the QB when 75% of his passer are passes within 3 yds of the line of scrimmage.

Did anyone notice that DC the playcaller only threw to AJ once after 13:18 in the second half and that was the interception. Before 13:18, AJ had seven catches, wouldn't someone who has their finger on the pulse of the game know that AJ had no looks. Did anyone on the staff tell DC, or do you think they were hanging DC out to dry and expose his lack of QB IQ?

After 12:13 and us up by 27-10 we go the following on our possessions fo the rest of the game:
3 and out
3 and out
5 and interception (interception was not caused by OLine)
3 and out
2 and fumble (fumble was not caused by OLine)
3 and out
3 and FG

Once again I commend DC for taking advantage of this opportunity, but it was not a total victory, in my opinion, in the eyes of Dan Reeves.
After the revelation of Pendry calling the plays it shows that waht we all have known, Pendry does not knw what he is doing and Carr is not a leader.
__________________
Smell the glove is here
Kaiser Toro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2005   #39
Hervoyel
The Right Track
 
Hervoyel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 49
Posts: 14,556
Rep Power: 228095 Hervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SESupergenius
What is this Carr's offensive plan or the Coaches?? You confuse yourself by not distingquishing the player from the plays called. Carr has to play the cards delt with. Carr lead this team to plenty of scoring drives this game, but of course he will not get the credit by you because that would mean you'd have to actually say something positive about the team and Carr.
The Texans scored three touchdowns and they were all running plays. Carr was playing QB all day (unless I missed something) and you're right, this was the coaches game plan and not Carr's. Nevertheless he didn't do anything outside of what was called (not his fault of course, just stating a fact) so then what did he accomplish? He wasn't asked to accomplish practically anything yesterday. Don't turn the ball over and get those hitches thrown in the blink of an eye? Was that his accomplishment.

I applaud his first half play calling. Good job within the limits of what the Texans were capable of doing yesterday.

Carr succeeded in performing efficiently (excluding the pick) in an offense that any Division I or II QB could have run in their sleep. I understand that he can't do something if he's not allowed to but by the same token he can't accomplish much if the game plan just calls for him to do what he did yesterday.

If my negativity bugs you then I recommend the "ignore" function. You won't miss me.
__________________
A wise man once said "...well at this point it's all been hashed out and you either see it or don't. Hoping for a win next week" - HTown2ATX
Hervoyel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2005   #40
HJam72
Hall of Fame
 
HJam72's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Over here.
Age: 41
Posts: 11,506
Rep Power: 68813 HJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hervoyel
Carr succeeded in performing efficiently (excluding the pick) in an offense that any Division I or II QB could have run in their sleep.
But Pendry can't. :brickwall
HJam72 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:27 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger