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Old 12-10-2013   #21
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The only thing it factors in with me is I want to see how a coach does with his own guys. We made excuses for Kubiak early on here because he was still getting his guys. Well, once he had an entire team comprised of his guys, he didn't do any better.
Consecutive division titles and two playoff victories? Our first non-losing and winning seasons? I mean, come on, he didn't come in and win a SB but he did do better than Capers did.
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Consecutive division titles and two playoff victories? Our first non-losing and winning seasons? I mean, come on, he didn't come in and win a SB but he did do better than Capers did.
Gee, when you put it that way, the bar is so high I might trip over it. He also went 3-14 since the 11-1 start last year, and sub-.500 for his career. So the winning seasons look more like outliers than anything else. Not that I am not happy for those moments, mind you, but all I said was once he had an entire team comprised of his guys, he didn't do any better, which is true. Knock those first two seasons off and his W-L record is 47-46.
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Gee, when you put it that way, the bar is so high I might trip over it. He also went 3-14 since the 11-1 start last year, and sub-.500 for his career. So the winning seasons look more like outliers than anything else. Not that I am not happy for those moments, mind you, but all I said was once he had an entire team comprised of his guys, he didn't do any better, which is true. Knock those first two seasons off and his W-L record is 47-46.
He didn't do any better than what?

To me, when you say he got his guys and didn't do any better it means when he got his guys, he didn't do any better either than his predecessor or than when he had the other guy's guys.

47-46 (Kubiak's record after the first two seasons) is better than 18-46 (which was Capers' record) or 9-23 (Capers' record after 2 seasons).

Granted, both Kubiak and Capers ended with a two win season but when Kubiak's team was in its prime, it was a winning team.
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He didn't do any better than what?
Didn't do any better than he did with the other guy's players. Sorry, should have worded it better.
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Recruiting is the last thing I worry about when it comes to hiring a college coach. I don't know of a single NFL coach who has ever had to go out and recruit his roster. They draft them and seeing a coach make his predecessors players work well is in my opinion a plus. Coaches have massive input when it comes to drafting players granted but they also have much more insight into what they're looking at as well as input from scouts and front office personnel. As long as they're drafting players without being the only guy in the room with input I'm comfortable with it.

If he can coach then that's what we're looking for. The law of averages says that sooner or later one of these Belichick guys is going to meet expectations. Why can't that guy be Bill O'Brien?
Agreed.

I see this with both Shaw and O'Brien. Who recruited what players (or how well the coach does at recruiting) is wholly irrelevant to the job an NFL coach has. The NFL doesn't recruit (in the same sense a college coach does) at all and, further, talent acquisition is mostly on the GM (or should be). What I want to know about O'Brien is how well he can motivate players and coaches, how well he can build a staff, how well he can scheme for opponents, how innovative he can be and how well he can adjust on the fly.

My only reservation with O'Brien is the Patriot stigma. He does have a great reputation, though.
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Shaw head coach and O'brien OC or would he go for that?
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Shaw head coach and O'brien OC or would he go for that?
No.

I don't see that happening. Both of these are HCs now.
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I don't see that happening. Both of these are HCs now.
College HC equals NFL HC? Never would have guessed that. I know some like Mack Brown get about $%m per year but thought most were 2-3 m.
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College HC equals NFL HC? Never would have guessed that. I know some like Mack Brown get about $%m per year but thought most were 2-3 m.
I don't know of a HC that ever left his job to be an NFL coordinator. If he gets fired yes.... but just leave a program to be a coordinator? I seriously doubt that ever happened.
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I don't know of a HC that ever left his job to be an NFL coordinator. If he gets fired yes.... but just leave a program to be a coordinator? I seriously doubt that ever happened.

But if it did happen I bet it would happen on the team where the former HC gets fired but then turns around and agrees to come back as either the OC or DC.

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College HC equals NFL HC? Never would have guessed that. I know some like Mack Brown get about $%m per year but thought most were 2-3 m.
You've got two guys who are HCs at the college level and have some NFL experience. They're both being talked about as HCs on the NFL level and the question is whether they'll choose to leave college to go to the NFL... as HCs. If Bill O'Brien is going to leave Penn State (which isn't a given), he's not going to do it to go to work as an OC to anyone other than the Patriots... and he's already HAD that job.
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This guy worked with Tom Brady for a year or two and Brady loved the guy. I'm sort of liking this. He just might become my favorite candidate.
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This guy worked with Tom Brady for a year or two and Brady loved the guy. I'm sort of liking this. He just might become my favorite candidate.
I don't know anything about him other than what I've learned in this thread, but I have to admit, he looks like a viable and interesting candidate.
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I don't know anything about him other than what I've learned in this thread, but I have to admit, he looks like a viable and interesting candidate.
He was the same guy who ripped Brady a new ******* on the sidelines Two years ago and Brady was arguing back. Brady said he was wrong after the game and that he needed to listen to his coach. Brady respected the hell out of him. He didn't have any problems getting in his star player's ass. I liked that about him. He was also the OC when Brady got his 2nd MVP season.
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He was the same guy who ripped Brady a new ******* on the sidelines Two years ago and Brady was arguing back. Brady said he was wrong after the game and that he needed to listen to his coach. Brady respected the hell out of him. He didn't have any problems getting in his star player's ass. I liked that about him. He was also the OC when Brady got his 2nd MVP season.
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In January 2013, O'Brien interviewed for the head coaching position with the Cleveland Browns[15] and Philadelphia Eagles. However, he decided to remain at Penn State, stating: "Iím not a one-and-done guy. I made a commitment to these players at Penn State and thatís what I am going to do. Iím not gonna cut and run after one year, thatís for sure."[16]
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College HC equals NFL HC? Never would have guessed that. I know some like Mack Brown get about $%m per year but thought most were 2-3 m.
Honestly, HC @ a top college program probably better than a lot of NFL jobs. Even with scandal, Penn state is top 20 program ( in terms of funding and prestige) and probably better than being the head coach at the bottom 12 or so NFL jobs.
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I'd be surprised if he left Penn State.

Worth doing due diligence on though.
Yeah, his name will only get hotter. Not to mention he seems to want to see the thing through. I like the job he's done.
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