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Old 11-19-2013   #121
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not seen many Detroit lions games eh? not a slight at aj who is great but megatron is on pace to be an all-timer.. think most objective Texans fans would agree with that
They're both going to end up all-time level WRs.
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Doubt he will be in on the first ballot but eventually he will get in. The man has a number of NFL receiving records and ironically this season has shown he probably could have had more with a better QB or different system.

Andre Johnson, along with Larry Fitzgerald with or without rings are Hall of Fame receivers, doubt either gets in before Randy Moss or Terrell Owens or even Reggie Wayne but they will eventually get in as they have been superb players and represented the league well on and off the field.
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He does that every year.

There was an interesting stat I did not know in the last game. AJ has a higher number of career receptions per game than any other WR ever.
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Spencer Tillman said that AJ is the ONLY player in NFL history to have 20 games of 10+ catches and 100+ yards.

And he is only one of two players in history to have 10 games of 10+ catches and 150+ yards. The other WR is Jerry Rice, who caught the majority of his passes from HoF QBs Joe Montana and Steve Young. AJ, meanwhile, has hit the milestones with guys like David Carr, Tony Banks, Sage Rosenfels, Matt Schaub, TJ Yates, and Case Keenum.

AJ is building a solid case for a HoF career, and he's still going strong!
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Spencer Tillman said that AJ is the ONLY player in NFL history to have 20 games of 10+ catches and 100+ yards.

And he is only one of two players in history to have 10 games of 10+ catches and 150+ yards. The other WR is Jerry Rice, who caught the majority of his passes from HoF QBs Joe Montana and Steve Young. AJ, meanwhile, has hit the milestones with guys like David Carr, Tony Banks, Sage Rosenfels, Matt Schaub, TJ Yates, and Case Keenum.AJ is building a solid case for a HoF career, and he's still going strong!
I don't think they handicap HoF voting by the quality of talent around a player, do they?

If AJ can play another 2-3 years at a high level, he'll have every stat needed but TD receptions. That will always be a knock against him, especially since he's spent his entire career in the pass-happy era.
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I don't think they handicap HoF voting by the quality of talent around a player, do they?
They handicap voting on all sorts of crap. If all they went by was numbers, a fair number of inductees wouldn't be in and a fair number of players who aren't in would make it. One of the knocks against Brazile is that "enough" players from that LYB team have been inducted despite them not winning anything. Never mind all the no brainer arguments for him being inducted.

AJ's best chance at the HoF is to continue making the case that he's one of the top 3 WRs to play during his career. The more crazy stats they can pull up where he's the only one to do it (or just he and Rice) the better.
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They handicap voting on all sorts of crap. If all they went by was numbers, a fair number of inductees wouldn't be in and a fair number of players who aren't in would make it. One of the knocks against Brazile is that "enough" players from that LYB team have been inducted despite them not winning anything. Never mind all the no brainer arguments for him being inducted.

AJ's best chance at the HoF is to continue making the case that he's one of the top 3 WRs to play during his career. The more crazy stats they can pull up where he's the only one to do it (or just he and Rice) the better.
My heart agrees with you, but my brain says it's gotten much tougher for WR's since the NFL became a pass-dominant league.
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I don't think they handicap HoF voting by the quality of talent around a player, do they?
The voters are human, so I would think so. Probably not advertised or part of official voting policy, but I have little doubt that they consider intangibles like playing for an expansion team, loyalty, and/or quality of teammates could be parts of big picture analysis.

Regardless of TD numbers, AJ has clearly been a leading receiver - sometimes clearly no. 1 - at different points in his career.

And while it is a pass dominant lead, the same thing was said in the '80's when the rules for protecting QBs and making it a more pass friendly league were being implemented. I vividly remember the 49ers taking a lot of flak because they played "finesse" football and were often accused of being scared to get hit. Now we look in hindsight and see a dominant dynasty, but at the time, there was a lot of criticism from the old guard.

I used to be a bit jaded like you, but talking with 'cak, I think AJ will be cream of the crop of this generation. They certainly will not boycott all WRs.
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My heart agrees with you, but my brain says it's gotten much tougher for WR's since the NFL became a pass-dominant league.
It is tougher, but as DB said, the HoF won't abandon all WRs. And since AJ came in, he's the only WR to accomplish some of the things he's done, even against other WRs in the same era. AJ has been better than Fitzgerald for the duration of their careers, better than Roddy White, better than Reggie Wayne, better than anyone, really. In any given year, a WR may outperform him, but over the 11 years he's been in, he's been the best.

Calvin Johnson will probably end up being just as good, but no one else has been better than AJ even in this pass happy era.
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And while it is a pass dominant lead, the same thing was said in the '80's when the rules for protecting QBs and making it a more pass friendly league were being implemented. I vividly remember the 49ers taking a lot of flak because they played "finesse" football and were often accused of being scared to get hit. Now we look in hindsight and see a dominant dynasty, but at the time, there was a lot of criticism from the old guard.
Some of what we have talked about in this thread norms for the different time periods, particularly how many times did someone lead the league for a season in receptions, yards, TDs, ypg. Failing to do that points towards accumulated stats and away from being the best of their era so is relative to the time period. So for example, some of the guys commonly talked about as log jamming AJ:

Tim Brown led the league in 1 category in 1 season in a 17 year career.
Isaac Bruce 1 in 16 seasons.
Andre Reed 0 in 16 seasons.
Reggie Wayne 1 in 13 seasons.

A higher group:
Tory Holt 4 in 11 seasons.
Terrell Owens 4 in 15 seasons.
Randy Moss 5 in 16 seasons.
Marvin Harrison 6 in 13 seasons.

AJ 8 in 11 seasons.

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The GOAT 20 in 21 seasons.
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^^^ that right there is the logic that convinced me that AJ will be in the HoF.
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Some of what we have talked about in this thread norms for the different time periods, particularly how many times did someone lead the league for a season in receptions, yards, TDs, ypg. Failing to do that points towards accumulated stats and away from being the best of their era so is relative to the time period. So for example, some of the guys commonly talked about as log jamming AJ:

Tim Brown led the league in 1 category in 1 season in a 17 year career.
Isaac Bruce 1 in 16 seasons.
Andre Reed 0 in 16 seasons.
Reggie Wayne 1 in 13 seasons.

A higher group:
Tory Holt 4 in 11 seasons.
Terrell Owens 4 in 15 seasons.
Randy Moss 5 in 16 seasons.
Marvin Harrison 6 in 13 seasons.

AJ 8 in 11 seasons.

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The GOAT 20 in 21 seasons.
Very good points.
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andre can look forward to being traded off the the waste land teams of the NFC

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Out of that bunch I figure he would pick Chicago. Imagine Andre Johnson, Brandon Marshall, and Alshon Jeffery!
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AJ will not be going anywhere, especially since Mcnair said this isnt a rebuild
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Hell no it's not a rebuild. Just look at the Cheifs and Eagles. You can't tell me those teams have more talent than the Texans.
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OK folks, let's not turn this into an anything vaguely related to AJ thread. It's about AJ and the HoF.
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OK folks, let's not turn this into an anything vaguely related to AJ thread. It's about AJ and the HoF.
Ok, I'll play.

If AJ got traded would it hurt his hall chances?

I think his one team career is part of his charm.
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AJ may sign somewhere as a FA at age 36, but he will not go anywhere until then. If he even decides to play after that. I'd be interested in the numbers if we traded him since he's restructured about 7 times, but i hope to god that never happens.

He is going to the HOF in my opinion. People universally in the broadcasts when talking about him now say "future hall of famer" which they hadn't before. There is an avid respect for him.
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