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Old 11-30-2013   #1
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QB
1. Teddy Bridgewater - Louisville
2. Derek Carr - Fresno St
3. Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M
4. Tajh Boyd - Clemson
5. Zach Mettenberger - LSU

- A lot of people would have Mariota and Hundley on this list but they simply aren't ready. Coming out this year would be a terrible decision for both, in my opinion.

HB
1. Bishop Sankey - Washington
2. Lache Seastrunk - Baylor
3. Melvin Gordon - Wisconsin
4. Ka'Deem Carey - Arizona
5. Charles Sims - West Virginia

- Not as high on De'Anthony Thomas as most.

FB
1. Trey Millard - Oklahoma
2. J.C. Copeland - LSU
3. Jay Prosch - Auburn
4. Ryan Hewitt - Stanford

- Not much NFL talent after Millard this year.

WR
1. Mike Evans - Texas A&M
2. Sammy Watkins - Clemson
3. Marqise Lee - USC
4. Jordan Matthews - Vanderbilt
5. Davante Adams - Fresno St

TE
1. Jace Amaro - Texas Tech
2. Eric Ebron - North Carolina
3. Austin Sefarian-Jenkins - Washington
4. C.J. Fiedorowicz - Iowa
5. Nick O'Leary - Florida St

OT
1. Jake Matthews - Texas A&M
2. Cyrus Kouandjio - Alabama
3. Cameron Erving - Florida St
4. Taylor Lewan - Michigan
5. Antonio Richardson - Tennessee

OG
1. Gabe Jackson - Mississippi St
2. David Yankey - Stanford
3. Cyril Richardson - Baylor
4. Xavier Su'a-Filo - UCLA
5. Zack Martin - Notre Dame

- Richardson and Martin are both college OTs that I expect to move down to OG in the pros.

OC
1. Travis Swanson - Arkansas
2. Bryan Stork - Florida St
3. Hroniss Grasu - Oregon
4. Russell Bodine - North Carolina
5. Tyler Larsen - Utah St


DE
1. Jadeveon Clowney - South Carolina
2. Stephon Tuitt - Notre Dame
3. Scott Crichton - Oregon St
4. Trent Murphy - Stanford
5. Jackson Jeffcoat - Texas

- Big fan of Taylor Hart, Oregon as well. Just missed the top five here.

DT
1. Louis Nix - Notre Dame
2. Ra'Shede Hageman - Minnesota
3. Timmy Jernigan - Florida St
4. Aaron Donald - Pittsburgh
5. Kelcy Quarles - South Carolina

- Will Sutton is a big time sleeper here. Would have been a first round pick last year but has had a rough time this year.

OLB
1. Anthony Barr - UCLA
2. Khalil Mack - Buffalo
3. Kyle Van Noy - BYU
4. Ryan Shazier - Ohio St
5. Eric Kendricks - UCLA

ILB
1. C.J. Moseley - Alabama
2. A.J. Johnson - Tennessee
3. Christian Jones - Florida St
4. Yawin Smallwood - Connecticut
5. Chris Borland - Wisconsin

CB
1. Justin Gilbert - Oklahoma St
2. Jason Verrett - TCU
3. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - Oregon
4. Marcus Roberson - Florida
5. Kyle Fuller - Virginia Tech

- Lot of good corners this year, depending on who declares. Also really like Darqueze Dennard, Michigan St.

S
1. HaHa Clinton-Dix - Alabama
2. Lamarcus Joyner - Florida St
3. Craig Loston - LSU
4. Tre Boston - North Carolina
5. Calvin Pryor - Louisville

K
1. Jeff Budzien - Northwestern
2. Anthony Fera - Texas
3. Cairo Santos - Tulane

P
1. Kirby Van Der Kamp - Iowa St
2. Cody Webster - Purdue
3. Brian Schmiedebusch - Bowling Green
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Good stuff. Rep your way.

BTW, Melvin Gordon is allegedly returning for his junior year.
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Good stuff. Rep your way.

BTW, Melvin Gordon is allegedly returning for his junior year.
Had heard that rumor. I didn't list players based on whether they were declaring or not. Just based on where I grade them at this point.

Only reason I pointed that out with the QBs was because I expected a lot of responses about those guys being left off. I actually have Mariota at #6 and Hundley at #7.
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Very good, you did well.
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Good job .... Charles Sims , that's a blast from the past .
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Good job .... Charles Sims , that's a blast from the past .
No kidding. Still can't figure that one out. He'd be getting plenty of work down here, plus he'd be on a better team.
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Getting a little deeper into the draft now. Still have a lot of guys to cover but here's what I have so far.

QB
1. Teddy Bridgewater - Louisville
2. Zach Mettenberger - LSU
3. Blake Bortles - UCF
4. Derek Carr - Fresno St
5. A.J. McCarron - Alabama
6. Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M
7. Brett Hundley - UCLA (please go back to school)
8. Tajh Boyd - Clemson
9. Aaron Murray - Georgia

HB
1. Bishop Sankey - Washington
2. Lache Seastrunk - Baylor
3. Ka'Deem Carey - Arizona
4. Carlos Hyde - Ohio St
5. Charles Sims - West Virginia
6. Tre Mason - Auburn
7. De'Anthony Thomas - Oregon
8. Devonta Freeman - Florida St
9. Andre Williams - Boston College

FB
1. Trey Millard - Oklahoma
2. Jay Prosch - Auburn
3. J.C. Copeland - LSU
4. Ryan Hewitt - Stanford

WR
1. Sammy Watkins - Clemson
2. Marqise Lee - USC
3. Mike Evans - Texas A&M
4. Jordan Matthews - Vanderbilt
5. Allen Robinson - Penn St
6. Kelvin Benjamin - Florida St
7. Davante Adams - Fresno St
8. Donte Moncrief - Ole Miss
9. Odell Beckham - LSU
10. Paul Richardson - Colorado
11. Brandin Cooks - Oregon St

TE
1. Eric Ebron - North Carolina
2. Jace Amaro - Texas Tech
3. Austin Sefarian-Jenkins - Washington
4. C.J. Fiedorowicz - Iowa
5. Nick O'Leary - Florida St
6. Arthur Lynch - Georgia

OT
1. Jake Matthews - Texas A&M
2. Cameron Erving - Florida St
3. Cyrus Kouandjio - Alabama
4. Antonio Richardson - Tennessee
5. Brandon Scherrf - Iowa
6. Taylor Lewan - Michigan
7. Greg Robinson - Auburn
8. Corey Robinson - South Carolina
9. Charles Leno - Boise St
10. James Hurst - North Carolina
11. La'el Collins - LSU
12. JuWuan James - Tennessee
13. Morgan Moses - Virginia

OG
1. Gabe Jackson - Mississippi St
2. Cyril Richardson - Baylor
3. David Yankey - Stanford
4. Xavier Su'a-Filo - UCLA
5. Zack Martin - Notre Dame

OC
1. Bryan Stork - Florida St
2. Travis Swanson - Arkansas
3. Tyler Larsen - Utah St
4. Russell Bodine - North Carolina


DE
1. Jadeveon Clowney - South Carolina
2. Stephon Tuitt - Notre Dame
3. Trent Murphy - Stanford
4. Scott Crichton - Oregon St
5. Jackson Jeffcoat - Texas
6. Taylor Hart - Oregon
7. Trevor Reilly - Utah

DT
1. Louis Nix - Notre Dame
2. Ra'Shede Hageman - Minnesota
3. Timmy Jernigan - Florida St
4. Aaron Donald - Pittsburgh
5. Dominique Easley - Florida
6. Anthony Johnson - LSU
7. Kelcy Quarles - South Carolina
8. Will Sutton - Arizona St

OLB
1. Anthony Barr - UCLA
2. Khalil Mack - Buffalo
3. Kyle Van Noy - BYU
4. Ryan Shazier - Ohio St
5. Demarcus Lawrence - Boise St
6. Eric Kendricks - UCLA

ILB
1. C.J. Moseley - Alabama
2. A.J. Johnson - Tennessee
3. Christian Jones - Florida St
4. Yawin Smallwood - Connecticut
5. Chris Borland - Wisconsin
6. Andrew Jackson - Western Kentucky

CB
1. Justin Gilbert - Oklahoma St
2. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - Oregon
3. Darqueze Dennard - Michigan St
4. Jason Verrett - TCU
5. Loucheiz Purifoy - Florida
6. Marcus Roberson - Florida
7. Bradley Roby - Ohio St

S
1. HaHa Clinton-Dix - Alabama
2. Lamarcus Joyner - Florida St
3. Craig Loston - LSU
4. Calvin Pryor - Louisville
5. Tre Boston - North Carolina
6. Deone Bucannon – Washington St


K
1. Cairo Santos - Tulane
2. Jeff Budzien - Northwestern
3. Anthony Fera - Texas

P
1. Cody Webster - Purdue
2. Steven Clark - Auburn
3. Kirby Van Der Kamp - Iowa St
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1. Bishop Sankey - Washington
2. Lache Seastrunk - Baylor
3. Ka'Deem Carey - Arizona
4. Carlos Hyde - Ohio St
5. Charles Sims - West Virginia
6. Tre Mason - Auburn
7. De'Anthony Thomas - Oregon
8. Devonta Freeman - Florida St
9. Andre Williams - Boston College

CB
1. Justin Gilbert - Oklahoma St
2. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - Oregon
3. Darqueze Dennard - Michigan St
4. Jason Verrett - TCU
5. Loucheiz Purifoy - Florida
6. Marcus Roberson - Florida
7. Bradley Roby - Ohio St
1) I'm glad to see you giving Freeman some love at RB. Everyone keeps talking about Wilder, but I just don't see it. He's a physical specimen with no noticeable football skills. He's already been surpassed at RB by a converted Safety. Freeman has great vision and is a three-down back who can block and catch. He's the unsung hero of the FSU offense this year.

2) Kyle Fuller should be somewhere on that list at CB.
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Getting a little deeper into the draft now. Still have a lot of guys to cover but here's what I have so far.

QB
1. Teddy Bridgewater - Louisville
2. Zach Mettenberger - LSU
3. Blake Bortles - UCF
4. Derek Carr - Fresno St
5. A.J. McCarron - Alabama
6. Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M
7. Brett Hundley - UCLA (please go back to school)
8. Tajh Boyd - Clemson
9. Aaron Murray - Georgia

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Lol at the bolded.........I agree, the physical tools are definitely there..needs to grow as a passer.
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1) I'm glad to see you giving Freeman some love at RB. Everyone keeps talking about Wilder, but I just don't see it. He's a physical specimen with no noticeable football skills. He's already been surpassed at RB by a converted Safety. Freeman has great vision and is a three-down back who can block and catch. He's the unsung hero of the FSU offense this year.

2) Kyle Fuller should be somewhere on that list at CB.
Wilder looks like he should be playing LB or H-Back.

Fuller is probably #7b for me right now but I haven't seen enough of him yet to feel comfortable adding him to my rankings.
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Lol at the bolded.........I agree, the physical tools are definitely there..needs to grow as a passer.
He and Mariota both need the extra year. I think they would benefit tremendously.

I would actually like to see Manziel go back for another year as well but that doesn't seem likely. I hope he at least gets to sit on the bench for whoever drafts him. I don't like his chances if he's thrown straight into the fire.
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1) I'm glad to see you giving Freeman some love at RB. Everyone keeps talking about Wilder, but I just don't see it. He's a physical specimen with no noticeable football skills. He's already been surpassed at RB by a converted Safety. Freeman has great vision and is a three-down back who can block and catch. He's the unsung hero of the FSU offense this year.
I agree but the question is, will he come out?
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Will Mike Evans stay a top 10 pick if he continues to run a 4.6 at the combine?
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I agree but the question is, will he come out?
Freeman or Wilder?

I think Freeman goes back for another year. I think Wilder goes pro because if he doesn't he will be the #3 RB next year. He has the physical measureables that some team will fall in love with.
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Freeman or Wilder?

I think Freeman goes back for another year. I think Wilder goes pro because if he doesn't he will be the #3 RB next year. He has the physical measureables that some team will fall in love with.
I was asking about Freeman, but I agree 100% with what you said.

I see Freeman coming back, but Wilder is pretty much a goner for the reason you pointed out.

Anyway, that's why I haven't really been pumping Freeman over Wilder for this draft.
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Getting a little deeper into the draft now. Still have a lot of guys to cover but here's what I have so far.

QB
1. Teddy Bridgewater - Louisville
2. Zach Mettenberger - LSU
3. Blake Bortles - UCF
4. Derek Carr - Fresno St
5. A.J. McCarron - Alabama
6. Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M
7. Brett Hundley - UCLA (please go back to school)
8. Tajh Boyd - Clemson
9. Aaron Murray - Georgia

HB
1. Bishop Sankey - Washington
2. Lache Seastrunk - Baylor
3. Ka'Deem Carey - Arizona
4. Carlos Hyde - Ohio St
5. Charles Sims - West Virginia
6. Tre Mason - Auburn
7. De'Anthony Thomas - Oregon
8. Devonta Freeman - Florida St
9. Andre Williams - Boston College

FB
1. Trey Millard - Oklahoma
2. Jay Prosch - Auburn
3. J.C. Copeland - LSU
4. Ryan Hewitt - Stanford

WR
1. Sammy Watkins - Clemson
2. Marqise Lee - USC
3. Mike Evans - Texas A&M
4. Jordan Matthews - Vanderbilt
5. Allen Robinson - Penn St
6. Kelvin Benjamin - Florida St
7. Davante Adams - Fresno St
8. Donte Moncrief - Ole Miss
9. Odell Beckham - LSU
10. Paul Richardson - Colorado
11. Brandin Cooks - Oregon St

TE
1. Eric Ebron - North Carolina
2. Jace Amaro - Texas Tech
3. Austin Sefarian-Jenkins - Washington
4. C.J. Fiedorowicz - Iowa
5. Nick O'Leary - Florida St
6. Arthur Lynch - Georgia

OT
1. Jake Matthews - Texas A&M
2. Cameron Erving - Florida St
3. Cyrus Kouandjio - Alabama
4. Antonio Richardson - Tennessee
5. Brandon Scherrf - Iowa
6. Taylor Lewan - Michigan
7. Greg Robinson - Auburn
8. Corey Robinson - South Carolina
9. Charles Leno - Boise St
10. James Hurst - North Carolina
11. La'el Collins - LSU
12. JuWuan James - Tennessee
13. Morgan Moses - Virginia

OG
1. Gabe Jackson - Mississippi St
2. Cyril Richardson - Baylor
3. David Yankey - Stanford
4. Xavier Su'a-Filo - UCLA
5. Zack Martin - Notre Dame

OC
1. Bryan Stork - Florida St
2. Travis Swanson - Arkansas
3. Tyler Larsen - Utah St
4. Russell Bodine - North Carolina


DE
1. Jadeveon Clowney - South Carolina
2. Stephon Tuitt - Notre Dame
3. Trent Murphy - Stanford
4. Scott Crichton - Oregon St
5. Jackson Jeffcoat - Texas
6. Taylor Hart - Oregon
7. Trevor Reilly - Utah

DT
1. Louis Nix - Notre Dame
2. Ra'Shede Hageman - Minnesota
3. Timmy Jernigan - Florida St
4. Aaron Donald - Pittsburgh
5. Dominique Easley - Florida
6. Anthony Johnson - LSU
7. Kelcy Quarles - South Carolina
8. Will Sutton - Arizona St

OLB
1. Anthony Barr - UCLA
2. Khalil Mack - Buffalo
3. Kyle Van Noy - BYU
4. Ryan Shazier - Ohio St
5. Demarcus Lawrence - Boise St
6. Eric Kendricks - UCLA

ILB
1. C.J. Moseley - Alabama
2. A.J. Johnson - Tennessee
3. Christian Jones - Florida St
4. Yawin Smallwood - Connecticut
5. Chris Borland - Wisconsin
6. Andrew Jackson - Western Kentucky

CB
1. Justin Gilbert - Oklahoma St
2. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - Oregon
3. Darqueze Dennard - Michigan St
4. Jason Verrett - TCU
5. Loucheiz Purifoy - Florida
6. Marcus Roberson - Florida
7. Bradley Roby - Ohio St

S
1. HaHa Clinton-Dix - Alabama
2. Lamarcus Joyner - Florida St
3. Craig Loston - LSU
4. Calvin Pryor - Louisville
5. Tre Boston - North Carolina
6. Deone Bucannon Washington St


K
1. Cairo Santos - Tulane
2. Jeff Budzien - Northwestern
3. Anthony Fera - Texas

P
1. Cody Webster - Purdue
2. Steven Clark - Auburn
3. Kirby Van Der Kamp - Iowa St

The silver lining of this disastrous season is right here... Given that our offensive struggles (from a personnel standpoint) this year is almost entirely the result of poor play at QB and RT, it is awfully encouraging that there are 10-11 QBs and 7-8 OTs in this draft that can make arguments for 1st round draft grades. Given that we are likely to have 2 of the 1st 33 picks, that sure is encouraging!

I am not saying that there are 11 QBs coming out that should go in the 1st round!... only that the depth is very good- the best QB depth I recall, potentially since the Marino/Elway/Eason.... I anticipate that much will change by the end of the combine. I share concerns that the murkiness of who should be ranked the #1 QB indicate could be a sign that none of these guys are a true, lights out, elite prospect. I would wager, though, that in three years at least 3 of these guys are top half of the league starters and a solid number of the group have flashed and/or are still coveted as the future or as trustworthy and valuable depth by their team.

Personally, I feel pretty good about Bridgewater. Still, though, my favorite scenario would be a 1st round trade down and accumulation of picks... Then, grabbing one of (Mettenberger/Bortles/Carr) later in the 1st and then getting (Murray/McCarrons/or Boyd) with a 3rd round pick... Meanwhile, using the extra picks to get one of the top offensive tackles and then a BPA defensive player... Something like:

(trade #1 overall for #12, #44, #76 and a pick in 2014)

12. Jace Amaro (TE)
33. Mettenberger (QB)
44. Greg Robinson (T)
65. Yawin Smallwood (LB)
76. A. Murray (QB)

98.
129 (4th compensatory).
131.
164. (5th compensatory)
166.
198.

So, we could have two QB prospects competing and pushing each other (not obsessed with those two guys, specifically)... Have a RT, quality LB to line up next to Cushing in 3-4 or play SLB, probably, in a 4-3, and a stud TE (making it easier to cut OD and save $6 million on this year's cap for free agent help)...

Then, we'd still have 6 picks before pick #200... That seems like the potential for dramatically altering the structure of the roster and building depth, athleticism and addressing needs.
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The silver lining of this disastrous season is right here... Given that our offensive struggles (from a personnel standpoint) this year is almost entirely the result of poor play at QB and RT, it is awfully encouraging that there are 10-11 QBs and 7-8 OTs in this draft that can make arguments for 1st round draft grades. Given that we are likely to have 2 of the 1st 33 picks, that sure is encouraging!

I am not saying that there are 11 QBs coming out that should go in the 1st round!... only that the depth is very good- the best QB depth I recall, potentially since the Marino/Elway/Eason.... I anticipate that much will change by the end of the combine. I share concerns that the murkiness of who should be ranked the #1 QB indicate could be a sign that none of these guys are a true, lights out, elite prospect. I would wager, though, that in three years at least 3 of these guys are top half of the league starters and a solid number of the group have flashed and/or are still coveted as the future or as trustworthy and valuable depth by their team.

Personally, I feel pretty good about Bridgewater. Still, though, my favorite scenario would be a 1st round trade down and accumulation of picks... Then, grabbing one of (Mettenberger/Bortles/Carr) later in the 1st and then getting (Murray/McCarrons/or Boyd) with a 3rd round pick... Meanwhile, using the extra picks to get one of the top offensive tackles and then a BPA defensive player... Something like:

(trade #1 overall for #12, #44, #76 and a pick in 2014)

12. Jace Amaro (TE)
33. Mettenberger (QB)
44. Greg Robinson (T)
65. Yawin Smallwood (LB)
76. A. Murray (QB)

98.
129 (4th compensatory).
131.
164. (5th compensatory)
166.
198.

So, we could have two QB prospects competing and pushing each other (not obsessed with those two guys, specifically)... Have a RT, quality LB to line up next to Cushing in 3-4 or play SLB, probably, in a 4-3, and a stud TE (making it easier to cut OD and save $6 million on this year's cap for free agent help)...

Then, we'd still have 6 picks before pick #200... That seems like the potential for dramatically altering the structure of the roster and building depth, athleticism and addressing needs.
If the Rams can get 3 - #1's for their #2, I am NOT OK with anything that doesn't at least come close to that. And seeing our history of constant failures in rounds 2-6 I am not impressed whatsoever with that scenario thrown out there.

Also, I find it hard to believe that any new coach would spend 2 picks in the first 3 rounds on a QB. This is assuming they want to make it (the new team image) their own as many seem to do.

I like and respect the work you've put into this though.
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If the Rams can get 3 - #1's for their #2, I am NOT OK with anything that doesn't at least come close to that. And seeing our history of constant failures in rounds 2-6 I am not impressed whatsoever with that scenario thrown out there.

Also, I find it hard to believe that any new coach would spend 2 picks in the first 3 rounds on a QB. This is assuming they want to make it (the new team image) their own as many seem to do.

I like and respect the work you've put into this though.
No offer is going to come close to that because there is no Luck/RGIII in this draft. If you're holding out for that trade offer then prepare to use that #1 pick because you won't be trading back.

The available talent dictates the trade value and the value is not as high this year.
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No offer is going to come close to that because there is no Luck/RGIII in this draft. If you're holding out for that trade offer then prepare to use that #1 pick because you won't be trading back.

The available talent dictates the trade value and the value is not as high this year.
Which is better than trading a #1 for a #12, which is basically how I see this.
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Which is better than trading a #1 for a #12, which is basically how I see this.
Which is fine. No problem with that.

I just see a lot of guys on this board saying we should just trade the pick for a STL/WAS bounty. Well, get ready to turn in your #1 pick because it ain't happening.
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