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Old 12-07-2013   #201
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Take a look at what "The Game Changer" Clowney has done this year and then read a little bit about what NFL scouts have been saying about him and try to convince yourself he is the answer.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...deveon-clowney
You mean NFL scouts saying that's he's still as amazing as we all thought, and that the stats don't tell the whole story?
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From what I've watched of Teddy Bridgewater...

He has more physical tools than David Garrard (referenced him due to his display of toughness,) and a mind for the game like Byron Leftwich. He has almost no NFL talent around him, except MAYBE his favorite receiver, #9. When they play big schools, he's shown he's belonged.

Is he a #1 pick?

If the Texans are holding that pick, they have no choice but to take him.
He also plays in a low NFL talent conference, so it evens out. Besides, I wouldn't spend a number one pick on Garrard or leftwich. Hopefully some team loves Teddy and is willing to trade the farm for him.
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He also plays in a low NFL talent conference, so it evens out. Besides, I wouldn't spend a number one pick on Garrard or leftwich. Hopefully some team loves Teddy and is willing to trade the farm for him.
Would be great to get an RGIII type trade. We have a lot of holes on D.
Don't see a can't miss QB. Huge crap shoot picking any of the QB's coming out this year.
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IF Bridgewater is The Guy, then I want him on this team.

But if not, I'd love to trade back and get some more picks.

Smith has shown in the past that he's not averse to doing that.
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I am a UH Grad and went to and saw Keenum play MANY games while I was there. It should go without saying I am probably one of his biggest fans and die hard supporters.

With that said... He's gone 0-7. Regardless of how close he might have came all of those games, he's gone 0-7. That includes 3 games to the Jags and Raiders with a first time starting QB. Those teams are dumpster fires and if Case can't beat them after half a season, then I'm sorry, but QB is the most pressing position there is.

The Colts with ALL of their flaws (and everyone knows a 2-14 team has them) took at QB #1 and made the playoffs at 11-5 the next year with one major change... the #1 pick.
If there is one thing that's been made clear, its that the Texans are the league's true dumpster fire and expecting Case to not get burned by it is unfair.

Look at Schaub's stat line from 07-08. It's not miles and away better than what we're getting out of Keenum now, who is playing with an infinitely worse team amidst the complete collapse of a coaching regime that never wanted him to start in the first place. Schaub went on to put up some great numbers for us and may have led us to SB in 2011 if not for a season ending injury.

Keenum has earned a fair shot - meaning an offseason to develop with the intention of starting, a healthy team, and a coaching staff that believes in him enough to build the system around him (Kubiak's mess of an impromptu spread offense doesn't count).

If Keenum gets that fair chance next season and tanks, fine. Until then, we have bigger problems than QB to correct with a first overall pick.
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IF Bridgewater is The Guy, then I want him on this team.

But if not, I'd love to trade back and get some more picks.

Smith has shown in the past that he's not averse to doing that.
The problem is someone would have a different opinion than you and deem Teddy a franchise QB to trade up .
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If there is one thing that's been made clear, its that the Texans are the league's true dumpster fire and expecting Case to not get burned by it is unfair.

Look at Schaub's stat line from 07-08. It's not miles and away better than what we're getting out of Keenum now, who is playing with an infinitely worse team amidst the complete collapse of a coaching regime that never wanted him to start in the first place. Schaub went on to put up some great numbers for us and may have led us to SB in 2011 if not for a season ending injury.

Keenum has earned a fair shot - meaning an offseason to develop with the intention of starting, a healthy team, and a coaching staff that believes in him enough to build the system around him (Kubiak's mess of an impromptu spread offense doesn't count).

If Keenum gets that fair chance next season and tanks, fine. Until then, we have bigger problems than QB to correct with a first overall pick.
These are my thoughts as well. The obvious is how "new" will the new regime be? It's going to be interesting to see how this all shakes out.
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we

extended CUSHING
SCHAUB
FOSTER
ANDRE



and this will come back to hurt of us from years to come

I was discussing this with my co workers and they said all 4 of these should be gone this off season cuz they will take us no were

We have lost our 3 Key players QB WR and RB and TE hell

and bob thinks we will not be rebuilding and keep rick smith pfff he is in for a rude awaking if he goes with this plan starting next year
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we

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ANDRE



and this will come back to hurt of us from years to come

I was discussing this with my co workers and they said all 4 of these should be gone this off season cuz they will take us no were
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You need new friends.
its true


Scahub is gone

Andre is older and he does not even want to be here anymore

Foster is a bum now ever since he got payed and he himself said he wants a life after football

and cushing is coming back post 2nd serious injury u don't even know how that will turn out

and OD well hes just done a TE leftover from the old regime
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The only one of those extensions that was even considered questionable at the time was Foster, and only because we slightly overpaid in the first year.
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The problem is someone would have a different opinion than you and deem Teddy a franchise QB to trade up .
OR they deem someone else worthy of trading up for.

I don't know if Teddy or anyone else in this draft is "the guy", yet. We haven't even gotten to the Combine. There's going to be a lot of rising and falling on draft charts for the next few months and in the end, there are going to be 32 draft charts that are secret and are very different than each other and very different from what the "experts" put out there... and those are going to be the only ones that matter.

With the rookie salary caps in place, it's going to be much easier to negotiate deals than it used to be.
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If there is one thing that's been made clear, its that the Texans are the league's true dumpster fire and expecting Case to not get burned by it is unfair.

Look at Schaub's stat line from 07-08. It's not miles and away better than what we're getting out of Keenum now, who is playing with an infinitely worse team amidst the complete collapse of a coaching regime that never wanted him to start in the first place. Schaub went on to put up some great numbers for us and may have led us to SB in 2011 if not for a season ending injury.

Keenum has earned a fair shot - meaning an offseason to develop with the intention of starting, a healthy team, and a coaching staff that believes in him enough to build the system around him (Kubiak's mess of an impromptu spread offense doesn't count).

If Keenum gets that fair chance next season and tanks, fine. Until then, we have bigger problems than QB to correct with a first overall pick.
If you have the number 1 pick and you have an opportunity to pick a franchise QB you take it. Case hasn't earned "a real shot". There is no such thing as earning a real shot. Manning had won a Superbowl and is the best QB (or at least in the top 3) in history. Had he "earned a shot to show his neck was better"? No he got cut because Indy had a shot to draft the next great QB. Tebow had just led his team to a playoff victory. Had he earned a shot? No. Denver went out and got Manning and pretty much ended his career.

If you manage a team with the philosophy that people "earn a shot" then you won't ever win squat. It sucks but it is the way it is. If we operate with "Case has earned a shot" and pass on a QB because of that we probably improve and become an 8 win team and you get stuck in mediocrity.

There is no harder position to fill than QB. It is the only position in which you cannot hide a serious deficiency. Case has shown a very significant weakness that you really can't hide. He already feels pressure that isn't there. If you think he has a future in the NFL that's fine. Keep him on the roster and hope for a Drew Brees type situation where you develop him and get something for him but if you have a shot at a potential franchise QB you take it.

And I can't stress enough. He looked good before teams had a chance to view film on him. The last 4 defenses he has faced have made him look below average. He's thrown an INT in each of the last 4 games.

Contrast that with Foles last year. He looked bad to start out and got better as the year went on.



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You mean NFL scouts saying that's he's still as amazing as we all thought, and that the stats don't tell the whole story?
Nah, not what I mean. Are you still watching that 2012 highlight over and over again and not watching what's happening this season?

Notable draft people, not me:

"Once again, Clowney is an elite prospect from a talent perspective, but has work-ethic issues. The Buccaneers will have to worry about him quitting or taking too many trips to Mons Venus, but they'll ultimately take a chance on him because of his ability."

I'm not discounting Clowney's skill or ability, I am just saying that is not a guy that can create a +8 in the Win/Loss category like the true game changer in this draft Teddy Bridgewater can.

Don't forget that DEs are the highest paid positions on the defensive side of the ball and you are about to give Mario Williams money to JJ Watt. You can't sink $180 million into a defensive line which is what will be the story in 4 years which means you are either renting JJ Watt or Clowney for 4 years.

And what if Case stays around and Clowney gives us +4 wins so we are 6-10? Now we get to draft a QB at pick #10. Cool, so we get a Jake Locker type guy and draft the 4th best QB in the draft. 4 years later we are still 6-10, lose either Watt or Clowney, and haven't made the playoffs once in the process.

No sir, I don't want to become the Browns.
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He also plays in a low NFL talent conference, so it evens out. Besides, I wouldn't spend a number one pick on Garrard or leftwich. Hopefully some team loves Teddy and is willing to trade the farm for him.
First of all, what is this comparison to Garrard and Leftwich and why is it given ANY validation? This is just a guy picking 2 Black QBs out of a hat and comparing Bridgewater to them.

Secondly, It does not matter. If he's got the ability and tools that's all that matters. Louisville was not a good team when he became the starting QB and they won't be a good team after.

He only got 1 shot at your "NFL talent" (This is crap though, but a different debate in itself) conference in the Sugar Bowl last year and led a team that beat the hell out of #3 Florida in that game.

What if I told you that 2 recent Super Bowl winning QBs didn't play "NFL Talent" and weren't worthy of a high draft pick (I assume what you're implying)? Step forward Joe Flacco and Ben Ro.

Many other successful QBs that didn't play this "NFL talent": Romo, Alex Smith, Colin Kaep, etc.

Find me a guy that plays against "NFL talent", surrounded by no "NFL Talent", and beats them. You will find yourself staring at Teddy Bridgewater.
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Nah, not what I mean. Are you still watching that 2012 highlight over and over again and not watching what's happening this season?

Notable draft people, not me:

"Once again, Clowney is an elite prospect from a talent perspective, but has work-ethic issues. The Buccaneers will have to worry about him quitting or taking too many trips to Mons Venus, but they'll ultimately take a chance on him because of his ability."

I'm not discounting Clowney's skill or ability, I am just saying that is not a guy that can create a +8 in the Win/Loss category like the true game changer in this draft Teddy Bridgewater can.

Don't forget that DEs are the highest paid positions on the defensive side of the ball and you are about to give Mario Williams money to JJ Watt. You can't sink $180 million into a defensive line which is what will be the story in 4 years which means you are either renting JJ Watt or Clowney for 4 years.

And what if Case stays around and Clowney gives us +4 wins so we are 6-10? Now we get to draft a QB at pick #10. Cool, so we get a Jake Locker type guy and draft the 4th best QB in the draft. 4 years later we are still 6-10, lose either Watt or Clowney, and haven't made the playoffs once in the process.

No sir, I don't want to become the Browns.
to late what is it 63 years and no SUPER BOWL title LOL

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Nah, not what I mean. Are you still watching that 2012 highlight over and over again and not watching what's happening this season?
I've watched more of his 2013 tape than his 2012 tape, and I suggest you do the same.
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