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Old 12-01-2013   #1001
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I hope JFF draft fans watched the last two games. He's an elite scrambler, and that's about it. He doesn't make decisions fast enough to compete at the NFL level, he hangs on to the ball waaaaaaaaaaay too long most of the time. Evans couldn't bail him out, so they lose, again. As an Aggie fan, I hope he drafts. We need someone new at the helm.
He gets most of his rushing yards on scrambles and broken plays. Very rarely does he do it on designed runs. LSU and Missouri both have good fronts that can rush the passer. They got after him, but kept him in the pocket and took that part of his game away. His struggles were obvious. In the two games against LSU and Missouri....

40/76 (52.6%) for 419 yards with 2 TD's and 2 INT's.
23 rushes for 75 yards.

He has improved his pocket passing this year, but his game is still reliant on getting out of the pocket and improvising. Keep him contained to the pocket the entire game and he's nowhere near as effective. That's been my main criticism of him all year long. This is exactly how NFL teams will attack him and he hasn't proven that he can succeed as a pocket passer.
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I hope manziel goes to Jacksonville or Tennessee. I do not want.
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His WRs failed him. He's also playing with a thumb injury on his throwing hand. But he made bad decisions, and that's on him.

I'm ready for some Kenny Hill/Kyle Allen.
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His WRs failed him. He's also playing with a thumb injury on his throwing hand. But he made bad decisions, and that's on him.

I'm ready for some Kenny Hill/Kyle Allen.
Yeah, he was getting absolutely no help from his wideouts, same with the LSU game.
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WRs definitely have an argument that they got no help from their QB..
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WRs definitely have an argument that they got no help from their QB..

From what I saw WR were running poor routes and were not in sinc. The OL got abused in pass pro. Don't really blame WR or QB as much as I do Sumlin. The disconnect was a sign of poor coaching. Sumlin teams play loose and not as well prepared as a Shaw, Fisher, Saban, Richt, Miles teams just name a few.
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From what I saw WR were running poor routes and were not in sinc.
Not really a comment on Manziel - Evans sure does get away with a lot of offensive pass interference. That isn't going to fly in the NFL.
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Not really a comment on Manziel - Evans sure does get away with a lot of offensive pass interference. That isn't going to fly in the NFL.
While I do agree with your premise, the NFL rarely calls it even though they do have stricter rules than the college game. I'd be more worried about a defender that plays physical (Darqueze Denard is a great example) than a receiver who does.

It's rare nowadays to see a play in the NFL where the defender is noticeably more physical than the receiver. Receivers get a ton of leeway because of the new rules and that's why PI is called at about a 95% rate on the defense.
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While I do agree with your premise, the NFL rarely calls it even though they do have stricter rules than the college game. I'd be more worried about a defender that plays physical (Darqueze Denard is a great example) than a receiver who does.
I agree generally it is a rare call even in the NFL, but he is dumb about it and it looks habitual. He isn't getting a little shove in for separation while playing hand games with the defender. He is doing stuff like grabbing jersey and pulling backwards to slingshot himself by and that is going to get flagged in a heartbeat. More importantly, how is he going to look if he drops all of it in the NFL?
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I agree generally it is a rare call even in the NFL, but he is dumb about it and it looks habitual. He isn't getting a little shove in for separation while playing hand games with the defender. He is doing stuff like grabbing jersey and pulling backwards to slingshot himself by and that is going to get flagged in a heartbeat. More importantly, how is he going to look if he drops all of it in the NFL?
Very true. LSU pressed him all game and was physical at the line of scrimmage and he was clueless as how to beat it. He's obviously still very raw as a WR. He has the physical skills, but is lacking the mental and technical skills that make guys like Dre and Megatron so good.
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From what I saw WR were running poor routes and were not in sinc. The OL got abused in pass pro. Don't really blame WR or QB as much as I do Sumlin. The disconnect was a sign of poor coaching. Sumlin teams play loose and not as well prepared as a Shaw, Fisher, Saban, Richt, Miles teams just name a few.
I don't think that it's really Sumlin that's to blame. Clarence McKinney is not as good an OC as Kingsbury was, I think. Him and Manziel had a kind of rapport I do not see with McKinney.

Sumlin did rely on the run game more than before, and I liked that. A&M has an SEC quality running attack if it actually deigns to use it. Not using it in the LSU game to help out Manziel drove me nuts.

In all truthfulness I'm ready to have a true pocket passer in the Sumlin system in Kyle Allen. I wanna see a guy throw a few more strikes in the system, not screens and little dumpoffs every other passing play.
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His WRs failed him. He's also playing with a thumb injury on his throwing hand. But he made bad decisions, and that's on him.

I'm ready for some Kenny Hill/Kyle Allen.

Don't forget, he was also playing with an injured throwing shoulder. I challenge any of you to try throwing accurately and with strength when you can't grip the football and your shoulder hurts every time you sling it. It shows his toughness that he gutted it out, but the fact is he shouldn't have been playing those last two games.
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Don't forget, he was also playing with an injured throwing shoulder. I challenge any of you to try throwing accurately and with strength when you can't grip the football and your shoulder hurts every time you sling it. It shows his toughness that he gutted it out, but the fact is he shouldn't have been playing those last two games.
I've always been impressed by his toughness. The kid is a gamer.

However, his style of play has always been a huge criticism against him. Look how banged up he has been this year. He just won't be able to sustain this style of play at the next level. He's going to have to rely much more on his pocket passing ability instead of the freelancing, improvisational stuff he gets away with now.
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Don't forget, he was also playing with an injured throwing shoulder. I challenge any of you to try throwing accurately and with strength when you can't grip the football and your shoulder hurts every time you sling it. It shows his toughness that he gutted it out, but the fact is he shouldn't have been playing those last two games.
I really feel like Kenny Hill should have been in those games. I mean, worst case scenario, A&M loses - which is what happened anyway. Besides, I've heard good things about the kid. Apparently he's a great player.
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I've always been impressed by his toughness. The kid is a gamer.

However, his style of play has always been a huge criticism against him. Look how banged up he has been this year. He just won't be able to sustain this style of play at the next level. He's going to have to rely much more on his pocket passing ability instead of the freelancing, improvisational stuff he gets away with now.
Not only that, but the dude is aggressive to boot. He doesn't slide, he lowers the shoulder and tries to take the guy out. He's laid out college players, even a couple linebackers here and there but in the NFL that is simply asking for a career ending injury.
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I've always been impressed by his toughness. The kid is a gamer.

However, his style of play has always been a huge criticism against him. Look how banged up he has been this year. He just won't be able to sustain this style of play at the next level. He's going to have to rely much more on his pocket passing ability instead of the freelancing, improvisational stuff he gets away with now.
Won't entirely disagree, but the main injury this year was his shoulder, and he injured that the same way Aaron Rodgers broke his collarbone: his shoulder was driven into the turf with a defender on top of him. It doesn't seem to me that he's more injury-prone than anyone else.
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Don't forget, he was also playing with an injured throwing shoulder. I challenge any of you to try throwing accurately and with strength when you can't grip the football and your shoulder hurts every time you sling it. It shows his toughness that he gutted it out, but the fact is he shouldn't have been playing those last two games.
and a sprained knee and a sprained thumb on his throwing hand to go with that sprained shoulder. And didn't miss a game.
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