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Old 12-07-2013   #161
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No offense to either side (hate him) (like him) Kubiak is a mediocre head coach. Simple as that, could even say he was a losing coach because thanks to this losing streak it pushed his record below .500

He inherited a 2-14 team and he most likely will leave behind a 2-14 team.

His offensive system when run properly under ideal circumstances is a tried and true set of plays. That is without question and the numbers bear that out, but too many football games come down to critical, split second decisions and he just didnt have the knack for it as the head coach.

He'll keep coaching, and his offensive teams will continue to be top 10, will he get another shot as the top dog? Will he ever win again without having a HOF QB?
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Kubiak's system was fairly rigid and he believed in it totally. I understand people that didn't like the style (slow, plodding, clock running...) or the lack of Manning style audibles. Can't disagree with you there.
I think the clock burning aspect of the system was a double edged sword. If you weren't scoring in the red zone, then you were burning away too much opportunity. And red zone scoring is more difficult for the smaller linemen of a ZBS against a compressed defense.

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Kubiak's time is over. He had plenty of reasons to be fired. He's gone so I don't need to go over them again. Winning the division and a playoff game twice without an elite QB & creating an NFL culture from the crap he started with won't be included in those. You act like he's the worst coach in NFL history. He was an average head coach. He did the Texans good - he just didn't do good enough. Time to move on.
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Several years passed between Campo's gig as HC of the boys and coming back as DC. He actually worked for both the Browns and the Jags in between.

Gunther Cunningham did the same thing with the Chiefs.

I think there's a huge difference between these two situations and what was suggested about bringing Kubes back to be OC next season (which is an absolute horrible idea btw).

Very close Heath but as ChampionTexan said I don't think any head coach has ever stepped down from the top and taken over as an OC, DC, or position coach. Time has to go by and even then it's very uncommon.
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No offense to either side (hate him) (like him) Kubiak is a mediocre head coach. Simple as that, could even say he was a losing coach because thanks to this losing streak it pushed his record below .500

He inherited a 2-14 team and he most likely will leave behind a 2-14 team.

His offensive system when run properly under ideal circumstances is a tried and true set of plays. That is without question and the numbers bear that out, but too many football games come down to critical, split second decisions and he just didnt have the knack for it as the head coach.

He'll keep coaching, and his offensive teams will continue to be top 10, will he get another shot as the top dog? Will he ever win again without having a HOF QB?
I disagree with the bolded. IMO, defenses have figured out
that the way to beat Kubiak's offense is just to play disciplined football. Stay at home and take care of your responsibilities. That makes the "is it a run or a pass" question mostly moot. It didn't help that Schaub and Kubiak were as predictable as the sun rising in the East.
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I think the clock burning aspect of the system was a double edged sword. If you weren't scoring in the red zone, then you were burning away too much opportunity. And red zone scoring is more difficult for the smaller linemen of a ZBS against a compressed defense.
I see Kubiak's play calling as the limiting factor in the RZ not the ZBS or the size of the OL. I also think it was a vicious cycle with Kubiak and Schaub. Both limited each other but were too joined at the hip to make the changes that were needed. I put that on the coach much more so than the player. McNair seems to agree with some of his comments during the ppress conference.
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sad to see kubes going eventhough I realise its time for somebody fresh to come in. I always liked him. he seemed like a good person who treated people fairly and came across as real. I know some ppl say he was too reserved and displayed a lack of leadership but I for one have a lot more time for coaches who act like men and treat their players as men than the rah rah coaches, who just come across as fake
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Mcnair, in the press conference, mentioned something about "a coach can't think too much like a player. The goals of the player may not be the same as the goals of the organization, and a coach has to know the difference."

This was after Mcnair was asked if Kubiak benching Case for Schaub AGAIN played a factor in Mcnair deciding to fire Kubiak.
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A facebook post from JJ Watt about three hours ago.....

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Coach Kub is a great man & always handles himself with class. I'm grateful for him giving me an opportunity in this league 3 years ago. Wishing him all the best as he moves on.
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Seems like Cushing is taking the firing a bit rough though. Eh, he's learning it's a business.
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why waste an organizational (an important one at that) position on a yes man? Especially since McNair has a neophyte football mind.
This in a nutshell is the underlying problem with this organization.
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You know how you'll sit down at your computer, check the board and see the same thread at the top for days at a time? You know how sometimes you're like "Not this **** again!" or other times you see the same thread and think it's new news when it's really old news and you say to yourself "Damn! I thought something else happened but it's that same old story! I wish people wouldn't keep bumping that thread"

This has not been a problem with "Kubiak just got fired"

Hard to find someone without a kind word to say about Gary and I'm sure he'll be fine. I don't want him coaching the football team I follow though and I'm pleased that our long Texans-National Nightmare is over.
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I thought the implosion really picked up steam when the three knuckleheads were outright released.

Just seems that way to me.

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...I'm pleased that our long Texans-National Nightmare is over.
I pray as much. However, I've got a feeling that whoever McNair/Smith decides to be our next HC, is going to decline for a "better" offer. & we'll see exactly who we are.

We're going to be stuck with Chan Gailey, like Buffalo was a couple of years ago & we'll go through that regime for 2-1/2 years.
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Pure f'ing class

Sadly it didn't work out
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Nothing personal. Good man, bad nfl head coach.
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****ing awesome. Makes me really sad it didn't work out here.
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