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Old 12-04-2013   #61
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Default Re: Poll: WILL McNair fire Kubiak?

Just two days ago McClain was adamant Kubiak was deservedly gone and today he writes a column about the need to keep him? I can see where this freight train is heading...
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They will lose fans and money only if they continue to lose, which I believe is unlikely. Winning solves all problems.
Not quite. If they keep Kubiak another year, NO WAY will they be able to justify raising ticket prices even a penny. It would be impossible. That means that they will lose money for next year.

If they start winning next year, they can raise prices the following year. But next year? No way.

Bob can forget about an increase in profits for 2014.
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Initially I thought Kubiak was good as gone but murmurs about Kubiak staying put have convinced me he will stay. I hope I'm wrong. Mcnair retaining this coaching staff would let me know two things:

1. Mcnair doesn't care about winning only about money.

2. I won't have a nfl team to root for. I won't support continued mediocrity.
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Just two days ago McClain was adamant Kubiak was deservedly gone and today he writes a column about the need to keep him? I can see where this freight train is heading...
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Initially I thought Kubiak was good as gone but murmurs about Kubiak staying put have convinced me he will stay. I hope I'm wrong. Mcnair retaining this coaching staff would let me know two things:

1. Mcnair doesn't care about winning only about money.

2. I won't have a nfl team to root for. I won't support continued mediocrity.
Again: he makes more money by firing him and starting over. He can't justify price increases to fans.

I don't think it's about winning vs money; I think it's about winning vs friendship. McNair values his relationship with Kubiak much, much more than money and winning. That's the bigger issue.

Make no mistake: my friends are more important than money and business.

But that's also why I don't do business with friends.
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Again: he makes more money by firing him and starting over. He can't justify price increases to fans.

I don't think it's about winning vs money; I think it's about winning vs friendship. McNair values his relationship with Kubiak much, much more than money and winning. That's the bigger issue.

Make no mistake: my friends are more important than money and business.

But that's also why I don't do business with friends.
Friendships aside, Mcnair knows the NFL is a results driven league. He hung with Kubiak when we were calling for his head 3 years ago. But it's time for a change.
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Kubiak probably survives another 6-10 season with his health scare, but only 2-3 wins? The poor guy is already fired, he just has to fill out the paperwork to make it formal.
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Just two days ago McClain was adamant Kubiak was deservedly gone and today he writes a column about the need to keep him?...
I read McClain's Wedneday's column differently.

I don't think McClain was advocating keeping Kubiak. He was merely discussing - speculating really - what will go into McNair's decision of whether or not to keep him.

McClain has made it clear in his recent appearances on 610 that he believes/predicts Kubiak will be let go. But, as a reporter, he's careful to straddle the fence.
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Default Re: Poll: WILL McNair fire Kubiak?

If McNair thinks there is any chance he can sell keeping Kubiak he will do it. Problem for McNair is there just isn't any reason to retain him. The mini stroke is not a reason to keep him. I don't understand that line of thinking. Who does that in the real world (for something that lasted such a short period)except to protect themselves from a lawsuit. Now if Kubiak had remained out for most of the season then yes I could buy that. But the guy rushed back missing only the next game. McNair may float a trial balloon or 2 out there himself or through someone else to gauge public reaction to keeping Kubiak but the results would be overwhelmingly against it. So in the end I voted yes.
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Not quite. If they keep Kubiak another year, NO WAY will they be able to justify raising ticket prices even a penny. It would be impossible. That means that they will lose money for next year.

If they start winning next year, they can raise prices the following year. But next year? No way.

Bob can forget about an increase in profits for 2014.
You are reasoning like a liberal : Bob McNair will lose money if he doesn't INCREASE his PROFITS. I reason like a business man : you are losing money only if your financial statement is in the red. I have no idea what the financial condition of the Texan organization is, but I've read that it is one of the most profitable in the league. It's unlikely the organization will be in the red next season, especially if we start winning again.

Based solely on profitability, business' seldom make major changes after only one red statement. I think this argument can be put to bed as a reason McNair may make changes.

If changes are made it will be based on McNair's analysis and decision on whether Kubiak can turn the team around next season and whether we are on track to winning in the playoffs.

The mood of the fans are unlikely to be a primary influence.

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I read McClain's Wedneday's column differently.

I don't think McClain was advocating keeping Kubiak. He was merely discussing - speculating really - what will go into McNair's decision of whether or not to keep him.

McClain has made it clear in his recent appearances on 610 that he believes/predicts Kubiak will be let go. But, as a reporter, he's careful to straddle the fence.
I could see that. Would be interested to know if any of the local sports shows on 610 have McClain on today and what he says on air...
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Default Re: Poll: WILL McNair fire Kubiak?

I voted "Yes", because I don't see how he can keep him around and be taken seriously after Kubiak so obviously lost the team. Add on how many years Kubiak has had to get it right. There are no excuses left for how a playoff "Super Bowl bound team" is 2-10.

If he hadn't lost the team I would be certain in Kubiak's return next season, but since he has.... I just can't fathom how he would be able to keep him. (Without the fans and players losing their minds)

Even with my vote of yes, there is still that fear of "we are on the right track".
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I read McClain's Wedneday's column differently.

I don't think McClain was advocating keeping Kubiak. He was merely discussing - speculating really - what will go into McNair's decision of whether or not to keep him.

McClain has made it clear in his recent appearances on 610 that he believes/predicts Kubiak will be let go. But, as a reporter, he's careful to straddle the fence.
Here is the tweet with the article. It allowed me to read whole thing vs being an online subscriber

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I took it as John going all in on nothing happening. Though it could advocate keeping Smith and letting Kubes go but the article talks about Kubiak being needed to train up the QBs. Depressing to see since he was yelling that the team was quitting just last week.
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Here is the tweet with the article. It allowed me to read whole thing vs being an online subscriber



I took it as John going all in on nothing happening. Though it could advocate keeping Smith and letting Kubes go but the article talks about Kubiak being needed to train up the QBs. Depressing to see since he was yelling that the team was quitting just last week.
I didn't read the article. I rarely read anything from anyone at that rag.

I did happen to hear him (over the wheezing and panting) on 610. The bolded is the direction it sounded like he was leaning while on the radio.

Then again, like someone already mentioned, he flip flops so much....who knows?
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You are reasoning like a liberal : Bob McNair will lose money if he doesn't INCREASE his PROFITS. I reason like a business man : you are losing money only if your financial statement is in the red. I have no idea what the financial condition of the Texan organization is, but I've read that it is one of the most profitable in the league. It's unlikely the organization will be in the red next season, especially if we start winning again.

Based solely on profitability, business' seldom make major changes after only one red statement. I think this argument can be put to bed as a reason McNair may make changes.

If changes are made it will be based on McNair's analysis and decision on whether Kubiak can turn the team around next season and whether we are on track to winning in the playoffs.

The mood of the fans are unlikely to be a primary influence.
That's nonsense. Politics has nothing to do with this. I am speaking as a business person and a season ticket holder.

You can only push your customers so far. Especially in an field like entertainment (which is what football is). It's not like the airlines, which can unfortunately get away with a certain amount of price gouging. But, when it comes to football, fans can simply find other means of entertainment.

I am not saying that the Texans will be in the red if they keep Kubiak. I am saying that if they keep him, they will make less profits next year, because they will have zero justificiation for raising ticket prices to their consumers.

I am not talking about the mood of the fans; I am talking about the mood of the people buying tickets at Reliant.

McNair knows who pays the bills.
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I am not talking about the mood of the fans; I am talking about the mood of the people buying tickets at Reliant.

McNair knows who pays the bills.
Yes he does and it is TV on contracts done for extended periods. Seats at Reliant doesn't come close to covering salaries. Not raising ticket prices is a flea on an elephant's butt.* The TV contracts and league wide merchandizing revenue are long term deals. So knowing TV and merchandizing are the elephant in the room McNair knows he does not need to be particularly responsive to mercurial fans.

* Seat revenue this year is $65.25 mil. So a 5% increase missed next year is $3,262,500. That doesn't cover Wade Smith's tab.
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That my friend is no way based in reality. Kubiak is a HC in the NFL and they're all driven by ego. You and I have watched this cat from day one and if there's anything that can be discerned from what we've seen from day one is that the man certainly has the ego that will not in any shape, form or fashion allow him to "retire for health reasons".

Never happen, GI.
Pretty much this. I mean, sure if there were overwhelming heath considerations then yeah. If he had a year to live or was diagnosed with some disease that requires full-time treatment to even have a chance of surviving of course he retires due to health reasons. Mini-stroke just isn't going to cut it though.
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Yes he does and it is TV on contracts done for extended periods. Seats at Reliant doesn't come close to covering salaries. Not raising ticket prices is a flea on an elephant's butt.* The TV contracts and league wide merchandizing revenue are long term deals. So knowing TV and merchandizing are the elephant in the room McNair knows he does not need to be particularly responsive to mercurial fans.

* Seat revenue this year is $65.25 mil. So a 5% increase missed next year is $3,262,500. That doesn't cover Wade Smith's tab.
I'm guessing that doesn't cover the suites?
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I'm guessing that doesn't cover the suites?
It doesn't include the down cost of PSL's or suites but I believe it covers the actual ticket cost. Frankly, add $20 mil on and the point remains the same.
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I don't think making money is McNair's primary concern. If it was, he'd have done a LOT of things differently.

Most people don't buy NFL franchises because if its moneymaking potential -- sure, that's a nice bonus. But for someone who is a BILLIONAIRE and got that way through other means, an NFL franchise can be a lot of different things but mostly, it's a status symbol and the culmination of a childhood dream of being part of a sports franchise.

If McNair was all about maximizing his profit, then we would have a huge gap between the salaries of our players and the cap limit. And we don't. We'd have the fewest number of coaches possible. And we don't.

I think McNair wants to win. I think he wants to have a winning team. But I think he's trying to model the way the franchise works on Pittsburgh (recently) and Miami and Dallas (in the 70's and 80's). I think that HE thinks that a winning program is based on stability.

I don't think McNair gives one rat's ass about his "customers" in this context. He doesn't care if we like or dislike Kubiak. He only cares about whether HE thinks Kubiak can give him a winning team. And he's had Kubiak give him a contender a couple of years in a row.

So I can see him keeping Kubiak around if he thinks Kubiak is doing a good job or if he thinks Kubiak can do a good job in the future.

With all that said... I expect him to fire Kubiak. But I don't expect him to fire Kubiak because he thinks it will renew the fanbase's morale or sell more tickets.
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