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Old 12-04-2013   #81
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I read the article, thank you. My initial comment still stands..........this incident generated by CSC (which is contracted by the Texans) will be and has certainly been seen as a Texans thingy outside of Houston................I am sure that the Texans, McNair and Houston will be clambering for as many such "minor" similar "positive" pieces as they can collect to go with all of the rest of the "major" humiliations they have managed to generate all by their lonesomes.



I know many people see this as a Texans' thing however it is just pure ignorance. I understand CSC is contracted by the Texans however the Texans didnt, dont and dont want to make the hiring/firing calls for the CSC staff. I think the policy CSC is fine and I am sure the Texans dont want security staff going up to player for any reason not related to security
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Instigated by the team or not as the thread title clearly stated in a national view we are jokes. Won't fire inept managers, but will allow contractors to axe employees on the spot for something so clearly harmless? Damn shame.

Didn't really need this event to shine a light on a pathetic football organization. But it does sting.

All you 'company men' can start your codes of conduct jargon now.
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Who cares if the Texans did or didn't have anything to do with it? That organization is in the outhouse this season anyway. What's one more pile of poop?
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i cant believe people dont think the texans had anything to do with this firing.

its mind boggling how far fans will defend their team/athletes.

At what point were the texans involved ? What did the texans have to do with it?
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Instigated by the team or not as the thread title clearly stated in a national view we are jokes. Won't fire inept managers, but will allow contractors to axe employees on the spot for something so clearly harmless? Damn shame.

Didn't really need this event to shine a light on a pathetic football organization. But it does sting.

All you 'company men' can start your codes of conduct jargon now.
If you meddle in your contractors hiring / firing decisions, then they are not independent contractors they are employees. Employees that you never paid payroll taxes for, never paid unemployment tax for, never contibuted to their 401K, never let into the health insurance plan, etc etc etc. If you are a real business, you don't want to go there. So you don't interfere when your contractor enforces their workplace rules.

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i cant believe people dont think the texans had anything to do with this firing.

its mind boggling how far fans will defend their team/athletes.
People aren't "defending their team" it's just that we have actually had jobs in the real world.

A little unsolicited advice for you: get a real job (your allowance doesn't count). Then kiss your mommy goodbye and move out already. Apartments have microwaves and laundry rooms, you will survive. (It's OK to go to mom's on Sunday night for dinner. But you can't move back in).
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If you meddle in your contractors hiring / firing decisions, then they are not independent contractors they are employees. Employees that you never paid payroll taxes for, never paid unemployment tax for, never contibuted to their 401K, never let into the health insurance plan, etc etc etc. If you are a real business, you don't want to go there. So you don't interfere when your contractor enforces their workplace rules.
I've worked in two separate industries as a contractor where meddling is the 'norm'. The funniest part? One of them is private security.

They can't be considered employees unless you have folks performing the exact same duties who actually ARE employees. That's your starting point. In addition, every Security contract I've ever seen gives the client the right to have personnel removed from any account for any reason.

I've also been personally involved in an incident where the client told the company that if they wanted to keep the account (most security contracts can be voided by the client quite easily), they would quit threatening the "preferred" guard.

ABM, Allied, Pinkerton, Black Hawk, Top Gun...the list goes on, but let's not pretend that clients don't tell the security companies what to do. It happens with regularity.
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This = Platinum Security firing someone at Minute Maid. I work around these cats; they ain't got **** to do with the Astros other than security. That said, you have to keep in mind that we don't know WHAT they are told by the Texans, etc. You might have caught a supervisor on a ****ty day. Some companies are strict, some don't care (as long as you aren't a distraction, etc).

Need to hear the other side, and need to hear what the some superiors think.
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Rules are rules.

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"I wasn't threatening anybody. The sideline experience was over the game was over. I was just really congratulating the winning team. There have been times before when I've taken pictures with other people that weren't Tom Brady, or winners, somebody who just defeated the Texans, it was perfectly okay, Williams told WHDH-TV 7News in Boston.
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Did the other pictures he took occur in front of his manager ?
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Sure seems to be a lot of personal attacks and general asshattery going on in Texans Talk these days...
People on both sides of this seem to think they are the smartest men in the room. Which probably means neither one of them are near as smart as they think they are.
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Welcome to the new America, it's not my fault it's someone's else. Take responsibility for your actions, if you signed the contract that says no pictures, then no pictures. You still have your jacket, name tag, and access in a secured area... Suck it up.
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Welcome to the new America, it's not my fault it's someone's else. Take responsibility for your actions, if you signed the contract that says no pictures, then no pictures. You still have your jacket, name tag, and access in a secured area... Suck it up.
Everything is the Texans fault.

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I read about people like you 35 years ago under the heading of "Delusions of Grandeur" in my psych textbook.
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You'd have to show that someone "bugged" somebody.

You'd also need to show how this has led to the company losing business elsewhere / previously.

You'd also need to show that no other entities approached said athlete for pictures in the same setting.

You'd still be liable for claims if your existing policy suffered selective enforcement, when it regarded an off-duty employee, especially an hourly one.

"At will" is great, until you open your big mouth and say WHY the employee was let go.
As long as the termination is not for an illegal reason, there is no recourse, "At Will" means any reason or no reason. (Illegal discrimination being the rare example which trumps At Will.)

Liability would be limited to claims of breech of contract if there is an employment contract which has been violated.
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Who cares if the Texans did or didn't have anything to do with it? That organization is in the outhouse this season anyway. What's one more pile of poop?
This about sums it all up...
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Welcome to the new America, it's not my fault it's someone's else. Take responsibility for your actions, if you signed the contract that says no pictures, then no pictures. You still have your jacket, name tag, and access in a secured area... Suck it up.
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