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Old 12-02-2013   #181
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LOL Manziel is Russell Wilson just because they are similar height?

They are literally not comparable in any way besides their height and that they are both athletic.

I don't buy that Murray is the next Brees either but at least they are somewhat similar.
I am going to ignore this simply becasue you know better.
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I am going to ignore this simply becasue you know better.
Couldn't resist taking a shot at Manziel
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Couldn't resist taking a shot at Manziel
why I didn't bite and oops Gruden just agreed to the Manziel Wilson comparison. If Bevell became HC of Texans I could see him drafting Manziel.
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I don't see it at all and gosh I hope not.

Love the way the Seahawks draft players though.
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Russell Wilson made Johnny Football some money last night.
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You're actually being serious with the Manziel/Wilson stuff? I thought you were kidding...
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You're actually being serious with the Manziel/Wilson stuff? I thought you were kidding...
I wasn't kidding and I don't think Gruden was kidding either, as much as the Manziel haters hate to hear this. And the scary thought is Manziel could be better than Wilson. Am I kidding or am I not?

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Not everyone is a Manziel hater. I respect the hell out of that kid for what he has done at the college level, but his skills do not translate to the NFL. And to say that he could be better than Wilson just makes you look silly.

The Manziel lovers are just as bad as the Tebow lovers. Fewer in number, but close to home unfortunately.
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I wasn't kidding and I don't Gruden was kidding either, as much as the Manziel haters hate to hear this. And the scary thought is Manziel could be better than Wilson. Am I kidding or am I not?
I know you're not kidding...but i don't know how many people would actually take you serious though...

Wilson's game is light years smoother than Manziel's....that ain't something he picked up while in the pros either...dude had that calmness & poise in college too....The main reason i liked him coming out..


I tell you what too, Bridgewater's got that same poise.
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Russell Wilson made Johnny Football some money last night.
It's up to JFF to make his own money. Wilson and Brees have opened the door for smaller guys to get a chance at QB. But nobody is going to hand Manziel squat just because Russell Wilson is a great QB.

I agree with the Manziel/Wilson comparison as far as size and athleticism goes. That's as far as I see the comparison going though. Wilson has unnatural poise and leadership skills, a much stronger arm, puts amazing touch on his passes, great accuracy, makes ridiculously quick decisions, and has much more experience as a QB and as a QB in a pro system.

Manziel compares more favorably to Eric Crouch than Russell Wilson. And I'm not saying this as a knock on Manziel's passing ability. He's a much better passer than Crouch ever was and I don't see him busting like Crouch did. But comparing Manziel to Wilson is going straight to the absolute best case scenario.
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I know you're not kidding...but i don't know how many people would actually take you serious though...

Wilson's game is light years smoother than Manziel's....that ain't something he picked up while in the pros either...dude had that calmness & poise in college too....The main reason i liked him coming out..


I tell you what too, Bridgewater's got that same poise.
That's the main reason why I've been such a big proponent of Bridgewater. He has shown all the tools that you look for when drafting a QB, but it's the poise and intangibles that take him to the next level as a prospect. A lot of guys have tools and a lot of guys have intangibles. It's rare for a guy to have both.
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It's up to JFF to make his own money. Wilson and Brees have opened the door for smaller guys to get a chance at QB. But nobody is going to hand Manziel squat just because Russell Wilson is a great QB.
Gruden made pretty clear in his comments about Wilson and Bevell last night that Wilson was not some sort of giant opening up of the floodgates to all people with similar stature and athleticism. His anecdote was Bevell sought advice and was told not to worry about his size if he thought he was a truly special person and player.

I am just passing that along. Others can argue over whether Manziel fits that same standard.
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It's up to JFF to make his own money. Wilson and Brees have opened the door for smaller guys to get a chance at QB. But nobody is going to hand Manziel squat just because Russell Wilson is a great QB.

I agree with the Manziel/Wilson comparison as far as size and athleticism goes. That's as far as I see the comparison going though. Wilson has unnatural poise and leadership skills, a much stronger arm, puts amazing touch on his passes, great accuracy, makes ridiculously quick decisions, and has much more experience as a QB and as a QB in a pro system.

Manziel compares more favorably to Eric Crouch than Russell Wilson. And I'm not saying this as a knock on Manziel's passing ability. He's a much better passer than Crouch ever was and I don't see him busting like Crouch did. But comparing Manziel to Wilson is going straight to the absolute best case scenario.
Spoken like the true Manziel hater that you're. I wouldn't have expected anything less. FLASH: Just because you don't think it will happen doesn't make it so. All it takes is one GM/HC to see and think that Manziel could do what Wilson is doing and you're wrong and the odds are against you being right. So yeah there is a good chance Wilson made Manziel some money, regardless of what you would like to be the outcome or how much you hate the thought of it being so.
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Spoken like the true Manziel hater that you're. I wouldn't have expected anything less. FLASH: Just because you don't think it will happen doesn't make it so. All it takes is one GM/HC to see and think that Manziel could do what Wilson is doing and you're wrong and the odds are against you being right. So yeah there is a good chance Wilson made Manziel some money, regardless of what you would like to be the outcome or how much you hate the thought of it being so.
LOL you are so ridiculous. It is impossible for you to have an honest argument about Johnny Manziel. I have been open about how I attended A&M and that I love JFF as a college player, but I just don't see his skills translating to the NFL. Every time your only response is "Manziel hater" when that's not even close to the truth.

You compare Manziel to Wilson because they are similar in size and athleticism, but you ignore the fact that they have different skill sets and don't play similar at all.

I could compare Tim Tebow to Andrew Luck because they are the same size and similar athletes, but I don't because they don't have the same skills and play nothing alike.
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LOL you are so ridiculous. It is impossible for you to have an honest argument about Johnny Manziel. I have been open about how I attended A&M and that I love JFF as a college player, but I just don't see his skills translating to the NFL. Every time your only response is "Manziel hater" when that's not even close to the truth.

You compare Manziel to Wilson because they are similar in size and athleticism, but you ignore the fact that they have different skill sets and don't play similar at all.

I could compare Tim Tebow to Andrew Luck because they are the same size and similar athletes, but I don't because they don't have the same skills and play nothing alike.
I simply made an innocent statement that Wilson made JF some money and then you went off on one of your tangents. So whose ridiculous? Why can't you just say this guy thinks JF compares to Wilson and leave it at that without completely losing it. DO you need the attention? There are many others who also consider the comparison. Do you like trolling my post? FLASH: Not everyone thinks like you or agrees with you and that doesn't make them wrong. NOTE: You keep ignoring that Gruden was saying the same thing. Why don't you take it up with Jon.
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Gruden made pretty clear in his comments about Wilson and Bevell last night that Wilson was not some sort of giant opening up of the floodgates to all people with similar stature and athleticism. His anecdote was Bevell sought advice and was told not to worry about his size if he thought he was a truly special person and player.

I am just passing that along. Others can argue over whether Manziel fits that same standard.
I was referencing when Tirico asked Gruden if Johhny Manziel compared to Russell Wilson? Gruden was effusive in his praise for Manziel, how much he did compare to Wilson and how the league was moving in the direction with this style of play.

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So, anybody want a piece of Michigan State? Man oh man. I picked them to win tonight, but I wouldn't have predicted 17-0 in the 2nd quarter.

MSU ain't BS'ing.
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Ohio State is a fraud. Thank goodness we don't have to see Florida State be crowned national champ after beating Ohio State.

I think Auburn will run all over Florida State.

BCS sucks.
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Ohio State is a fraud. Thank goodness we don't have to see Florida State be crowned national champ after beating Ohio State.

I think Auburn will run all over Florida State.

BCS sucks.
Just posted in the other thread. MSU ain't BS'ing. I picked them tonight but geezus.

I don't think FSU is a bad team. In fact I would love to see them play MSU, but Stanford will screw that up.
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