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Old 12-02-2013   #101
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Reggie white minus the heart.
I don't know about the heart. I have watched 4 Ole Miss games this year and I was far more impressed with Nkemdiche's freshman year than anything I saw in Clowny's freshman year. I'm predicting Nkemdiche to be the #1 pick in the 2016 draft.
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I don't know about the heart. I have watched 4 Ole Miss games this year and I was far more impressed with Nkemdiche's freshman year than anything I saw in Clowny's freshman year. I'm predicting Nkemdiche to be the #1 pick in the 2016 draft.
I think he's trying to claim Clowney doesn't have the heart for football.
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I don't know about the heart. I have watched 4 Ole Miss games this year and I was far more impressed with Nkemdiche's freshman year than anything I saw in Clowny's freshman year. I'm predicting Nkemdiche to be the #1 pick in the 2016 draft.
He very well could be.

But you're understating Clowney. He had 12 TFL and 8 sacks as a true freshman. 23.5 TFL and 13 sacks as a soph. In a scheme where he would rotate between a 43 strong end and a 34 weak end.

Nkemdiche has 8 TFL and 1 sack.

They play different positions so the numbers are obviously lower for Robert. Nkemdiche shows awesome skills and plenty of potential. Has played very well. But Clowney was killing SEC linemen.
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I'm salivating at the possibility of Clowney & Watt on the same field. Imagine the luxury of applying pressure w/o blitzing. Every QB & OC won't sleep well in the weeks leading up to the game against the Texans.
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What if Clowney decides he is going nowhere on this Texans team and does not want to get hurt? Rookie contracts are not what they used to be so why not take it easy and turn it on later for a new contract?
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What if Clowney decides he is going nowhere on this Texans team and does not want to get hurt? Rookie contracts are not what they used to be so why not take it easy and turn it on later for a new contract?
Because Clowney will have to produce or he wont get that contract.
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Because Clowney will have to produce or he wont get that contract.
So as the #1 NFL pick he gets no upfront bonus or guaranteed money? He can produce some at 50% as he has in college. He was not benched or cut or even disciplined.
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So as the #1 NFL pick he gets no upfront bonus or guaranteed money? He can produce some at 50% as he has in college. He was not benched or cut or even disciplined.
I'm talking about the big $$$$ 2nd contract.
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So as the #1 NFL pick he gets no upfront bonus or guaranteed money? He can produce some at 50% as he has in college. He was not benched or cut or even disciplined.
No, #1 picks usually get their entire contract GTD and that's in the neighborhood of $20 mil.
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No, #1 picks usually get their entire contract GTD and that's in the neighborhood of $20 mil.
Exactly my point! So we risk that on a guy who might show up at game time or might not? IMO, we have to hit on our first round pick and much more so than we did with Mercilus. I want an impact player that has proven in college that he plays 100%, one hundred percent of time. I don't want to wait for the pick's second year (if that soon) to beat out anyone ahead of him. Bridgewater. I think there are only two players ranked in first round that are as close to guaranteed day one starter for many years. C J Mosley and Jake Matthews. Hopefully both can be had after trading down a bit.
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Exactly my point! So we risk that on a guy who might show up at game time or might not? IMO, we have to hit on our first round pick and much more so than we did with Mercilus. I want an impact player that has proven in college that he plays 100%, one hundred percent of time. I don't want to wait for the pick's second year (if that soon) to beat out anyone ahead of him. Bridgewater. I think there are only two players ranked in first round that are as close to guaranteed day one starter for many years. C J Mosley and Jake Matthews. Hopefully both can be had after trading down a bit.
Jake Mathews will get lit up if he starts at LT his rookie season.
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Exactly my point! So we risk that on a guy who might show up at game time or might not?
Like SteelB pointed out, if he wants his next contract to be worth $100 million that's not likely to happen. What do think JJ's next contract will be worth?
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Nothing about Clowney's tape suggests he doesn't show up at games, stop swallowing that media narrative wholesale.
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So as the #1 NFL pick he gets no upfront bonus or guaranteed money? He can produce some at 50% as he has in college. He was not benched or cut or even disciplined.
The number 1 pick this year should get about 4 years 23 million completely guaranteed. The split between salary and signing bonus is always negotiated, but it's generally about 50/50.

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Because Clowney will have to produce or he wont get that contract.
Yeah, but some guys just don't think ahead like you're doing here. They get that 1st contract, get a signing bonus, and it goes to their heads. Clowney strikes me as the kind of guy where that would happen. He will show up his rookie year, decline years 2&3, then wake up in year 4 when he's due for a new contract. It's the Albert Haynesworth model.

I could see him end up like Mario Williams too. An athletic freak of nature, but lacks the heart and competitive drive to be the best he can be.
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Nothing about Clowney's tape suggests he doesn't show up at games, stop swallowing that media narrative wholesale.
He has 35 tackles, 10.5 TFL, 3 sacks and 1 FF through 11 games this year. Compare that to last year when he totaled 40 tackles, 13 sacks, 23 TFL and 3 FF. I think that sharp decline says a lot about him and validates the lack of conditioning reports.

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Jake Mathews will get lit up if he starts at LT his rookie season.
Come on. No one has said to start him at LT. He is to play RT until Brown shifts or leaves. You have read that in several posts.
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Like SteelB pointed out, if he wants his next contract to be worth $100 million that's not likely to happen. What do think JJ's next contract will be worth?
Not as much as you and others do. It is quite possible he will not get a new contract for at least three more years and contracts will continue to dwindle as players and teams adjust to new cap restrictions.
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He has 35 tackles, 10.5 TFL, 3 sacks and 1 FF through 11 games this year. Compare that to last year when he totaled 40 tackles, 13 sacks, 23 TFL and 3 FF. I think that sharp decline says a lot about him and validates the lack of conditioning reports.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/...clowney-1.html
He also has the second-highest number of QB pressures, but even then my argument was about the tape. It would only take you ~8 minutes more to watch his Tennessee game from this year over the amount of time it took you to look up some stats.
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Come on. No one has said to start him at LT. He is to play RT until Brown shifts or leaves. You have read that in several posts.
I think he's responding to the fact that he's a LT prospect and you called him a day one starter. Is that just for us? Or for every team?

Obviously, if we draft Matthews he's playing RT for the foreseeable future. If someone else drafts him he's probably playing LT.

IIRC, Mussop has been on record before that he doesn't see Matthews as a "franchise LT". I personally think he's overrated as a prospect, but he's still a darn good player.
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I think he's responding to the fact that he's a LT prospect and you called him a day one starter. Is that just for us? Or for every team?

Obviously, if we draft Matthews he's playing RT for the foreseeable future. If someone else drafts him he's probably playing LT.

IIRC, Mussop has been on record before that he doesn't see Matthews as a "franchise LT". I personally think he's overrated as a prospect, but he's still a darn good player.
Since the thread is about Texans, I just assumed all would know my comment about Mosley and Matthews is directed at us drafting him to play RT. All of us on this thread have read all the mocks and most of talk about Matthews playing RT for Texans and moving to LT when Brown no longer there.
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