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Old 11-29-2013   #101
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This looks like an 11 on 7 scrimmage. Any further Carr evaluation will have to come in his bowl game.
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All I can tell is that he looks identical to his brother with a helmet on.
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This looks like an 11 on 7 scrimmage. Any further Carr evaluation will have to come in his bowl game.
He already accepted a Senior Bowl invite, which was very smart on his part. It will be a good chance for him to showcase his ability and impress coaches.
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All I can tell is that he looks identical to his brother with a helmet on.
Yes. They even move the same.

When I see him play, I see David.

Which makes me worry about his mental ability.
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Yes. They even move the same.

When I see him play, I see David.

Which makes me worry about his mental ability.
He had better touch and placement than David ever did. Plus, he actually threw the ball away instead of running out of bounds behind the LOS.

Man that would be an interview to be a fly on the wall.
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I'd really like to see Derek play against a strong D in a bowl game, like a Missouri or LSU to see what he can do. He's got all the physical skills, and it would be interesting to see him face a D that can provide some adversity.

If he takes the preparation side much more seriously than his brother he'd be an interesting candidate, especially in a trade down situation. You'd hope he has learned from his brothers mistakes
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I'd really like to see Derek play against a strong D in a bowl game, like a Missouri or LSU to see what he can do. He's got all the physical skills, and it would be interesting to see him face a D that can provide some adversity.

If he takes the preparation side much more seriously than his brother he'd be an interesting candidate, especially in a trade down situation. You'd hope he has learned from his brothers mistakes
Most projections have Fresno St playing USC in the Las Vegas Bowl, which would be interesting. USC's defense has played very well most of the season. Their strength isn't in the secondary though.
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i don't think he'd do very well against a stout defense..i originally thought he'd be a good option for us just based on the numbers he was putting up...but i went back and looked at a little video on him...his decision making wasn't that great and most of what i saw him throw was short underneath stuff....Deja Vu like a mother...
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His WR Davante Adams looks like a real stud.
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He's already married and has a kid. Normally that wouldn't be much of a problem to me, but I don't see any evidence that his priorities are any different than David's were.
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His WR Davante Adams looks like a real stud.
Reminds me of a young Michael Irvin. Would love to see him in a Texans uniform.
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What if the Browns offered both their #1s for the 1st overall ?
Not enough IMO. Now give me 7 , 25 & 40 .... and next years first rounder and you got a deal.


The Redskins moved from 6 to 2 giving up the #6 & 39 along with two future first round picks. I'd want compensation equal or greater for the #1 overall choice.

7 Cameron Erving
25 CJ Mosley
33 Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix
40 Tajh Boyd or Aaron Murray

Yeah , I think I could go for a draft like that.

Those very early picks are a lot more valuable today than they were just a few short years ago because they are not as expensive - no more $78m for Matthew Stafford. Instead you get Andrew Luck for 4 years $22m. That's not to compare the players but their draft position and contract value.



What's disturbing is that Carr Version 2.0 might actually be the best QB in this draft .... which is unfortunate for the Texans because I just cant see them taking him with the history of HWWNBM & Rodger.

At least he doesn't wear #8
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Not enough IMO. Now give me 7 , 25 & 40 .... and next years first rounder and you got a deal.


The Redskins moved from 6 to 2 giving up the #6 & 39 along with two future first round picks. I'd want compensation equal or greater for the #1 overall choice.
There just aren't very good odds of that happening. I doubt any team covets a player in this draft as much as Washington coveted RG3 in that draft. Washington has kind of ruined the trade back scenario because they really overpaid and people think that is fair value now. It's not.

By the draft value chart, Washington gave up about 4,000 points to grab a pick worth 2,600 points.

Getting 7, 25, 40, & a 1st next year would be about 3,750 points for a pick worth 3,000. In our scenario, it's much more likely that we get closer to fair value because we will either select a guy #1 or be desperate to trade back.
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I'd really like to see Derek play against a strong D in a bowl game, like a Missouri or LSU to see what he can do. He's got all the physical skills, and it would be interesting to see him face a D that can provide some adversity.

If he takes the preparation side much more seriously than his brother he'd be an interesting candidate, especially in a trade down situation. You'd hope he has learned from his brothers mistakes
Which is why if I were an owner I wouldn't pick Derek to be my franchise QB even if he was available in the 7th rd.

I've seen enough of Rodger Carr/David Carr to last me a lifetime.
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Not enough IMO. Now give me 7 , 25 & 40 .... and next years first rounder and you got a deal.


The Redskins moved from 6 to 2 giving up the #6 & 39 along with two future first round picks. I'd want compensation equal or greater for the #1 overall choice.

7 Cameron Erving
25 CJ Mosley
33 Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix
40 Tajh Boyd or Aaron Murray

Yeah , I think I could go for a draft like that.

Those very early picks are a lot more valuable today than they were just a few short years ago because they are not as expensive - no more $78m for Matthew Stafford. Instead you get Andrew Luck for 4 years $22m. That's not to compare the players but their draft position and contract value.



What's disturbing is that Carr Version 2.0 might actually be the best QB in this draft .... which is unfortunate for the Texans because I just cant see them taking him with the history of HWWNBM & Rodger.

At least he doesn't wear #8
problem is that there is no Luck or RG3 at the top of this draft, so you won't get as big a haul.

Can you imagine McNair asking himself if he really wants to be the guy to hand 100 million dollars to the Carr family on spec?
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There just aren't very good odds of that happening. I doubt any team covets a player in this draft as much as Washington coveted RG3 in that draft. Washington has kind of ruined the trade back scenario because they really overpaid and people think that is fair value now. It's not.

By the draft value chart, Washington gave up about 4,000 points to grab a pick worth 2,600 points.

Getting 7, 25, 40, & a 1st next year would be about 3,750 points for a pick worth 3,000. In our scenario, it's much more likely that we get closer to fair value because we will either select a guy #1 or be desperate to trade back.
The trade value chart is off though because of the contracts under the new CBA. Unless a new one has come out? High picks are much more valuable now that they carry less risk.
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The trade value chart is off though because of the contracts under the new CBA. Unless a new one has come out? High picks are much more valuable now that they carry less risk.
Good point and I agree. I'm rarely the guy who pulls out the draft chart but I do think it's still the best barometer when looking at a huge trade like that one.

Basically my point is if you're waiting for that trade offer to come along then I hope you have someone in mind for that #1 pick because odds are you're going to be turning in that card before you get close to the offer that you want.
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Not enough IMO. Now give me 7 , 25 & 40 .... and next years first rounder and you got a deal.


The Redskins moved from 6 to 2 giving up the #6 & 39 along with two future first round picks. I'd want compensation equal or greater for the #1 overall choice.

7 Cameron Erving
25 CJ Mosley
33 Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix
40 Tajh Boyd or Aaron Murray

Yeah , I think I could go for a draft like that.

Those very early picks are a lot more valuable today than they were just a few short years ago because they are not as expensive - no more $78m for Matthew Stafford. Instead you get Andrew Luck for 4 years $22m. That's not to compare the players but their draft position and contract value.



What's disturbing is that Carr Version 2.0 might actually be the best QB in this draft .... which is unfortunate for the Texans because I just cant see them taking him with the history of HWWNBM & Rodger.

At least he doesn't wear #8
Right now , nobody has revealed himself to be worth moving up for and that's a big issue . If you can get Carr's ol man a GM job , you could probably get 5 first round picks to give him a shot to draft Derek .
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Good point and I agree. I'm rarely the guy who pulls out the draft chart but I do think it's still the best barometer when looking at a huge trade like that one.

Basically my point is if you're waiting for that trade offer to come along then I hope you have someone in mind for that #1 pick because odds are you're going to be turning in that card before you get close to the offer that you want.
I'm really just homering at this point and hoping we get something like 7, 25, 40, & a 1st next year. I agree with you that Washington spoiled the trade back scenario and we'd be beyond lucky to get this. I just don't want to face reality yet!
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I'm really just homering at this point and hoping we get something like 7, 25, 40, & a 1st next year. I agree with you that Washington spoiled the trade back scenario and we'd be beyond lucky to get this. I just don't want to face reality yet!
I would love a trade back like that because this team sorely needs talent at a lot of places. I won't hold out hope though. If the Texans have taught me one thing it's to stop being a homer and become a realist. I don't even get mad anymore. I see a game like last night and just nod my head and think to myself "yea, that looks about right".
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