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Old 12-01-2013   #41
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McCarron finished tonight game against Auburn, great game by the way.

17 of 29, 277 yds., 3 TD's and 0 Int's.

For the season he's 190 of 277, 2399 yds., 68.6% Comp., 23 TD's and 5 Int's.
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Interesting tidbit that I realized tonight....McCarron won just 1 conference championship during his 4 years.

Would think he won more with the way Bama has dominated college football recently.
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McCarron finished tonight game against Auburn, great game by the way.

17 of 29, 277 yds., 3 TD's and 0 Int's.

For the season he's 190 of 277, 2399 yds., 68.6% Comp., 23 TD's and 5 Int's.
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He also played well under pressure from a ferocious Auburn defense.
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I liked what I saw last night for a late 2nd, maybe 3rd rounder. He had one poor pass that I saw. That deep pass to Cooper was also kind of floaty, but it got the job done. Something I like about him is that he appears calm throughout the entire game.
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To me , AJ has an average arm at best . Team that with average mobility and you have an average at best skill set . He is a smart QB where he plays a pretty clean game .
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I actually like McCarron but at best he is Matt Moore/Colt McCoy in the NFL. Average skills with a good head on his shoulders. There is a place for those guys in the league, but it's not in the starting lineup on a playoff team.
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I actually like McCarron but at best he is Matt Moore/Colt McCoy in the NFL. Average skills with a good head on his shoulders. There is a place for those guys in the league, but it's not in the starting lineup on a playoff team.
Is he Greg McElroy ?
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Is he Greg McElroy ?
No, he's better than that. He's the most talented QB Saban has had at Alabama. But in a league with 32 teams his ceiling is probably being about the 25th best QB. Talented enough to be in the league, not talented enough to take you anywhere.
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No, he's better than that. He's the most talented QB Saban has had at Alabama. But in a league with 32 teams his ceiling is probably being about the 25th best QB. Talented enough to be in the league, not talented enough to take you anywhere.
I've seen where they compare him to Alex Smith .
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I've seen where they compare him to Alex Smith .
Alex Smith without the mobility maybe.
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I don't see anything in McCarron. I'm not saying he's terrible, but he doesn't do anything great. He's surrounded by talent at Bama. Screams NFL back-up QB to me.
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I don't see anything in McCarron. I'm not saying he's terrible, but he doesn't do anything great. He's surrounded by talent at Bama. Screams NFL back-up QB to me.
He really reminds me of Ken Dorsey. Not quite in their skill set, but that they were both above average QB's surrounded by the best talent in the country. I see him being a better NFL QB than Dorsey, but bah007 nailed it above. He's a guy who can be a solid starter in the league, but he won't be taking you anywhere. I see his ceiling as being like Schaub a few years ago before his decline.
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I see his ceiling as being like Schaub a few years ago before his decline.
Schaub was no where close to 25th QB in the league pre-injury.
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Schaub was no where close to 25th QB in the league pre-injury.
In 2009-2010 yes he absolutely was. Was easily a top 20 QB.

And this is coming from a guy who despises Schaub.
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In 2009-2010 yes he absolutely was. Was easily a top 20 QB.

And this is coming from a guy who despises Schaub.
You took my point backwards. It was no where close as in he was much better than 25th and much better than 20th too. Up to his injury he was 8-12.
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You took my point backwards. It was no where close as in he was much better than 25th and much better than 20th too. Up to his injury he was 8-12.
Ahh well yes that's where I see McCarron's ceiling IF you surround him with a ton of talent like Schaub had. Schaub was an above average starter that played within the offense and was surrounded by pro-bowlers. That's exactly what McCarron is doing at Alabama.
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Ahh well yes that's where I see McCarron's ceiling IF you surround him with a ton of talent like Schaub had. Schaub was an above average starter that played within the offense and was surrounded by pro-bowlers. That's exactly what McCarron is doing at Alabama.
Still revisionist history.

2008 - AJ & OD
2009 - AJ
2010 - AJ, Foster & Leach
2011 - Foster & Myers

That ain't surrounded by pro-bowlers.
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Still revisionist history.

2008 - AJ & OD
2009 - AJ
2010 - AJ, Foster & Leach
2011 - Foster & Myers

That ain't surrounded by pro-bowlers.
So Johnson was not a pro-bowl caliber player in 2011? Myers was not a pro-bowl caliber player until 2011?

Schaub was surrounded by talent across the board during that time. Johnson, Foster, Daniels, Myers, Brown, Winston, Brisiel, Smith, etc. Just because every guy didn't make the pro-bowl every single year doesn't dispute that fact.
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So Johnson was not a pro-bowl caliber player in 2011? Myers was not a pro-bowl caliber player until 2011?

Schaub was surrounded by talent across the board during that time. Johnson, Foster, Daniels, Myers, Brown, Winston, Brisiel, Smith, etc. Just because every guy didn't make the pro-bowl every single year doesn't dispute that fact.
Your spin is ridiculous. The lengths to which you will go are demonstrated by your AJ question. AJ only played 4 uninjured games in 2011 so of course he was not a pro-bowl caliber player in the other 12 games.

Players like Winston, Myers, Brisiel and Smith exist on every team. That is not surrounding a QB with talent to some inordinate degree. Plus you are acting like all those people were playing at once which isn't the case nor were they playing at their peak for the whole time they were playing. It is almost laughable the transformation in story. Winston, Myers and Smith were all heavily criticized and now they are being made into the '90s Cowboys line. Foster wasn't there for two of those years. Brown was described as a reach/bust in his early years. Throughout this time the Texans had "no #2 WR." Schaub led the league in passing with zero running game. No he was not surrounded by talent his entire time pre-injury.
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Your spin is ridiculous. The lengths to which you will go are demonstrated by your AJ question. AJ only played 4 uninjured games in 2011 so of course he was not a pro-bowl caliber player in the other 12 games.

Players like Winston, Myers, Brisiel and Smith exist on every team. That is not surrounding a QB with talent to some inordinate degree. Plus you are acting like all those people were playing at once which isn't the case nor were they playing at their peak for the whole time they were playing. It is almost laughable the transformation in story. Winston, Myers and Smith were all heavily criticized and now they are being made into the '90s Cowboys line. Foster wasn't there for two of those years. Brown was described as a reach/bust in his early years. Throughout this time the Texans had "no #2 WR." Schaub led the league in passing with zero running game. No he was not surrounded by talent his entire time pre-injury.
Texans were near the top of the league in sacks allowed per attempt in 2008 and 2009, had the #7 rushing offense in 2010, and the #2 in 2011. The line was there whether they were actual pro-bowlers or not. That was my point.

And yes, Johnson was injured in 2011. But you listed the team's pro-bowlers as if to point out a lack of talent on the squad. That was not the case. Johnson in his prime from 2008-2010, Foster's career year in 2010 and great years in 11-12, one of the top O-Lines in the league from 2009-2011, the OD/Dreessen combo from 2009-2011, etc. The only thing that offense did not have was a legitimate #2 WR.

Sure, he didn't have the best talent in the league at each position, but there was no lack of talent. The only lack of talent was on the defense, which is why Wade was hired and why we focused mainly on defense in those drafts.
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