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Old 11-26-2013   #41
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I swear, some of y'all are ridiculous. Rookies take time to develop. WRs seldom look great as a rookie unless they're a true phenom prospect, and even then, they get better as they play more. It's a position that takes some time. and then there's the rookie wall. Anyone who was planning on relying on Hopkins was fooling themselves. We had a thread at the beginning of the season where people were predicting tons of catches, yards, and TDs and I cautioned then against setting ridiculous expectations. The best players often have unremarkable rookie seasons. Hell, J Watt had 5.5 sacks his rookie season.

He'll be fine.
No ****... With five games left if Hopkins can get another 68 yards this season he will put up more yards his rookie season than Kevin Walter had his previous four seasons with Houston. Hopkins is only going to get better as he's targeted more.
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Why was Jacoby Jones cut again?
Too many drops?
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He's still not very good.

You make it sound like he's suddenly blossomed into a good receiver. He hasn't. He's still a 4th-5th receiving option. His best years as a receiver were still with the Texans.

Even with us, he was only good for one or two good plays per year and with the Ravens, he just happened to make them in the playoffs. As opposed to fumbling the ball away like he did with us.
He's not a #2- but he's a heck of a #3 burner...he also isn't afraid to go into traffic and catch a hit from a DB anymore. Ed Reed lit him up in the end zone and he got up- couldn't complete the catch but he got up and caught a 66yder later on....I like having him on our team. too bad he couldn't ut it all together in Houston.
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He's not a #2- but he's a heck of a #3 burner...he also isn't afraid to go into traffic and catch a hit from a DB anymore. Ed Reed lit him up in the end zone and he got up- couldn't complete the catch but he got up and caught a 66yder later on....I like having him on our team. too bad he couldn't ut it all together in Houston.
That's on coaching, too busy trying to get him to block at an elite level and god knows what other lost causes to allow him to focus on blowing a game wide open once in a while.

Guys like Jacoby aren't going to give you marginally better chance to win games every week, they will make that game winning play a few times a season. Sometimes it'll happen in the Super Bowl too.
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Jacoby Jones' speed + Case Keenum's arm/willingness to use it = TOUCHDOWN (Got the Ravens a Superbowl last year)

Trindon Holliday's speed, cheap contract, = TOUCHDOWN (Most-likely gonna get Denver one This year.)

We could have used those two gamebreakers, and Kubiak tossed both of them into the garbage because they couldn't become one of "his guys."

Now, he's pulling the same crap with Hopkins. Imagine a WR corp with Dre, Jacoby, and Hopkins. Jacoby would be used to clear room for Dre and Hopkins AND catch the occasional big TD like he did at Tennessee a few years back.



I guess Kubiak PREFERS an offense that isn't TOO explosive. He just wants it explosive enough to build a lead big enough to grind out 30 minutes of clock in the second half.
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Jacoby Jones' speed + Case Keenum's arm/willingness to use it = TOUCHDOWN (Got the Ravens a Superbowl last year)

Trindon Holliday's speed, cheap contract, = TOUCHDOWN (Most-likely gonna get Denver one This year.)

We could have used those two gamebreakers, and Kubiak tossed both of them into the garbage because they couldn't become one of "his guys."

Now, he's pulling the same crap with Hopkins. Imagine a WR corp with Dre, Jacoby, and Hopkins. Jacoby would be used to clear room for Dre and Hopkins AND catch the occasional big TD like he did at Tennessee a few years back.

I guess Kubiak PREFERS an offense that isn't TOO explosive. He just wants it explosive enough to build a lead big enough to grind out 30 minutes of clock in the second half.
Jacoby Jones was a cap casualty that everyone in Houston was glad was gone. Holliday was terrible with the Texans, we had injuries at LB and needed the roster space so he was cut.

Blame Kubiak for stuff that is legitimate. There's plenty of it. No need to blame Kubiak for 2 players that were NOT good for us, were released for valid reasons and WE were all happy were released.
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Jacoby Jones was a cap casualty that everyone in Houston was glad was gone. Holliday was terrible with the Texans, we had injuries at LB and needed the roster space so he was cut.

Blame Kubiak for stuff that is legitimate. There's plenty of it. No need to blame Kubiak for 2 players that were NOT good for us, were released for valid reasons and WE were all happy were released.
The person who should've been released is Joe Marciano.. because it's amazing to me how as soon as we cut both of these guys and they started playing under different coaches, they both became the top 2 return specialist in the NFL.. and it was mistakes in the return game that got them cut here.
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The person who should've been released is Joe Marciano.. because it's amazing to me how as soon as we cut both of these guys and they started playing under different coaches, they both became the top 2 return specialist in the NFL.. and it was mistakes in the return game that got them cut here.
Agreed and that IS on Kubiak unless Marciano has McNair's sex tape in a safety deposit box somewhere.
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I wish the Texans had taken TY Hilton in the 3rd rd 2 yrs ago. Or Kenny Stills in the 5th this past draft. They seem to be able to blow the top off of defenses.

How are Montgomery/T.Williams/B.Williams doing now?

This is one of the reasons why Rick needs to go.
Thank you!!! Took the words right off my keyboard. Rick's 2-4th round picks have been pretty damn bad if you ask me. Yes, he has hit a couple of homeruns in the first, but isn't that what every GM in the league is supposed to do?!?

Yes, Rick Smith needs to go.
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Thank you!!! Took the words right off my keyboard. Rick's 2-4th round picks have been pretty damn bad if you ask me. Yes, he has hit a couple of homeruns in the first, but isn't that what every GM in the league is supposed to do?!?

Yes, Rick Smith needs to go.
Everyone needs to go, if the owner could fire himself he should
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Good post man. Back to a subject you and I can agree on.

The Jacoby cut was warranted. Trindon was still young and inexperienced and showed enough flash to hold onto him. Instead, we held onto the worst special teams coordinator in the NFL. Just a pathetically run organization from top to bottom.
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That's on coaching, too busy trying to get him to block at an elite level and god knows what other lost causes to allow him to focus on blowing a game wide open once in a while.

Guys like Jacoby aren't going to give you marginally better chance to win games every week, they will make that game winning play a few times a season. Sometimes it'll happen in the Super Bowl too.
JJ sparked the Ravens more than once last season- and not just in the playoffs.

KO returns, Punt Returns, Receiving= he made big plays before the playoff run.

Not saying he is a Jerry Rice but he has turned out to be nice addition. Now if he can stop the stripper bus incidents, then he can have a long career here.
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JJ sparked the Ravens more than once last season- and not just in the playoffs.

KO returns, Punt Returns, Receiving= he made big plays before the playoff run.

Not saying he is a Jerry Rice but he has turned out to be nice addition. Now if he can stop the stripper bus incidents, then he can have a long career here.
Yeh Jacoby sparked the Ravens even before his game checks had the Baltimore logo on them. Helped them win the divisional round in 2011.
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Yeh Jacoby sparked the Ravens even before his game checks had the Baltimore logo on them. Helped them win the divisional round in 2011.
that game was won before JJ muffed that punt.

Ravens defense was too much for Houston without Schaub.
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that game was won before JJ muffed that punt.

Ravens defense was too much for Houston without Schaub.
I completely disagree, chasing the lead forced tj to stare down AJ all second half despite double coverage and ed reed baiting (before his body completely broke down).

That game was totally winnable for us if we'd only been able to minimise the mistakes.

I take nothing away from the Ravens in saying that, your the better team on the day if you win because you didn't make as many mistakes.
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