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Old 11-27-2013   #61
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I agree. I also think that firing mid-season is not the so-called "Texans way" (i.e. the McNair way of doing business).

And I'm okay with that.

Of course, okay as long as they clean house at the end of the season.

It is obvious to me that the coaches are losing the players now. The words coming out of the locker room show divisions between units, and individuals making both cryptic and blatant remarks indicate that the end is near. Heck, like Antonio Smith said, he's seen coaches get fired for less.

McNair has always kept his cards close to his chest. But if fans are feeling the frustration, I can only imagine what's going through his mind to see his franchise meltdown in front of his eyes. I think the fall from grace has been much greater than 2005, because we had a playoff team last year that entered the current season with high expectations. This has been a 180 from hope to hell.

A Texan flow chart would look like this .

Kubiak in deep poo >>>> McNair mad , heads will roll >>>> Bob decides he needs to draft a QB >>>> he needs a coach with a strong QB coach background >>>> he sifts through many candidates >>>> one coach has been with Elway , Young , and Plummer >>>> he decides on Kubiak .
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Heck, like Antonio Smith said, he's seen coaches get fired for less.
Agree with your overall remarks.

Antonio is exaggerating however. He has seen 1 coach fired who was 6-10, 5-11 and 5-11.
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He's not. going. to. come. back. next. year.

Good God enough with the stupid posts like that.

I cannot WAIT for him to be fired simply to stop reading those types of posts. So trite.
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The problem with this organization isn't Kubiak. Kubes is just the symptom. The disease is Bob McNair.
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The problem with this organization isn't Kubiak. Kubes is just the symptom. The disease is Bob McNair.
Oh c'mon. That's just not rational. The team is Top 5 in franchise value, he instills a respectful, good culture of stability and class, and he spends a ****ton of money. And if it weren't for Bob McNair, the Houston Texans wouldn't even exist. Just because the Texans haven't won a Super Bowl in the first 11 years of existence doesn't mean McNair is a disease. You know how many other franchises haven't won in at least 11 years? Plenty.

Porky, you're awesome, but that's an insane statement.
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Oh c'mon. That's just not rational. The team is Top 5 in franchise value, he instills a respectful, good culture of stability and class, and he spends a ****ton of money. And if it weren't for Bob McNair, the Houston Texans wouldn't even exist. Just because the Texans haven't won a Super Bowl in the first 11 years of existence doesn't mean McNair is a disease. You know how many other franchises haven't won in at least 11 years? Plenty.

Porky, you're awesome, but that's an insane statement.
I agree. McNair's greatest problem is similar to that of Kubiak's: loyal to a fault. The guy just doesn't seem to know when to pull the plug, how to be fair but also tough with his coaches, or who to hire. It's too bad because he is a good man. What gives me hope is all of what you posted. If McNair can ever find the right person to run this organization, we will be a franchise to be reckoned with for years. So far, it just hasn't happened.
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And that's fine. We'll keep trying. I prefer stability over a revolving door in general. Kubiak has been here for way too long. He did his job in making the team move from its expansion, joke beginnings and a down year in 2013 doesn't change that. His ceiling here has been reached, and now we have to find someone to take the next step.
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Antonio is exaggerating however. He has seen 1 coach fired who was 6-10, 5-11 and 5-11.
I was wondering about his statements. I saw the full interview, and I was curious about how many horrible teams he had been on to see so many firings.

I like Smith, but hyperbole is hyperbole.

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The problem with this organization isn't Kubiak. Kubes is just the symptom. The disease is Bob McNair.
McNair is not going anywhere, so if you think this is a disease-ridden franchise, perhaps Houston football is not for you.

Would you rather have a meddling owner like Jerry Jones? Or an inept owner who puts his business buddies in charge of operations like Bud Adams?

We knew going into the expansion team that McNair was a noob owner and there would be a learning curve. If this road is too tough for you as a fan, then golf might prove to be your style of sport to watch on Sundays.
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I was wondering about his statements. I saw the full interview, and I was curious about how many horrible teams he had been on to see so many firings.

I like Smith, but hyperbole is hyperbole.



McNair is not going anywhere, so if you think this is a disease-ridden franchise, perhaps Houston football is not for you.

Would you rather have a meddling owner like Jerry Jones? Or an inept owner who puts his business buddies in charge of operations like Bud Adams?

We knew going into the expansion team that McNair was a noob owner and there would be a learning curve. If this road is too tough for you as a fan, then golf might prove to be your style of sport to watch on Sundays.
Well said and agree. I was annoyed that McNair kept Kubiak after 2010, but overall, he's been a decent owner.

And, as you said: The McNair's aren't going anywhere. Ever. Cal is being groomed for taking over down the line, and he'll be in charge for a good 25 years or so after that.

The McNair's have made mistakes in hiring but they seem like solid people.


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Just like Matt Schaub, Kubiak is done here in Houston. If he's brought back next year, there will be a mutiny among Texan fans and our best players will be looking for a way out. When Andre Johnson mouths off to Matt Schaub, says we suck as an offense, and says he's under contract when asked about wanting to stick with the Texans, there is something deeply wrong in that locker room. Kubiak has finally lost the team.

I would have made a case for a new head coach if Kubiak had repeated the same success of the last two years...win division, win wildcard, lose in divisional. However, by going 2-9 he has made it blatantly obvious that he is no longer qualified to be head coach. I think McNair's silence so far is pretty telling that he's going to make a change. It's not his style to fire a coach mid season, but that announcement is surely coming.
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Is it because you can't install a new playbook midseason and the guy who wrote the playbook is the best person to coach it?
I'm not suggesting a new permanent coach be hired midseason. Just that firing Kubiak now could kick start the process.
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Rarely done is shorthand for the real world judgment of owners who have collectively been through this decision hundreds of times and who do not find your reasoning to be "absolutely the right thing to do." Your proposed benefits don't pan out in the real world or that wouldn't be the case.
That's still not a reason. Those are examples. Which may not be analogous to the Texans situation. The decision to fire a coach is not always ready to be made in midseaon. That shouldn't be the case here. Kubiak is Dead Coach Walking. The only thing we're discussing is the date of the execution. There is no possible last minute pardon by Governer McNair, this time.

Again, can you give me a reason why Kubiak shouldn't be fired now?
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I still believe in Kubes ..... yes rick smith NO


but uhh I don't think hes making a good case for himself right now esp if we lose out


Maybbbbeee myabbbeee if we win out and show we can beat dees elite teams in Denver pats and colts and wipe out ten and jags on the road then IDK but we will see
We finished the 2009 season with four meaningless wins in a row. This team will go no further with Kubiak at the helm. His play calling shows tendencies (predictability) teams now study and prepare for (ie) Seattle's interception to tie the game late, plus, what was it? four pick sixes in a row.
This team lacks discipline and focus, something I believe can be contributed 100% to Kubiak.
For a team to self destruct the way these Texans did the second half of last year and especially this year, there's no way anyone can say it's not Kubiaks fault.
He needs to be gone, along with Schaub.
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Again, can you give me a reason why Kubiak shouldn't be fired now?
Easy. As I said before, hopefully McNair wants to have an entirely new coaching staff.

Many of us see no benefit to firing Kubiak until the season ends. Seems like you just want Kubiak gone now as closure.
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Easy. As I said before, hopefully McNair wants to have an entirely new coaching staff.
As I said before, firing Kubiak now in no way precludes McNair from bringing in an entirely new coaching staff for the 2014 season. It only speeds up the process.
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This team lacks discipline and focus, something I believe can be contributed 100% to Kubiak.
Don't forget leadership, which I believe is the heart of the problem.
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As I said before, firing Kubiak now in no way precludes McNair from bringing in an entirely new coaching staff for the 2014 season. It only speeds up the process.
I just don't agree with it speeding up anything. He can call any candidates he wants that are available now to see if there's interest. If they aren't available he can't contact them yet. If he wants to hire a consultant he can any time he wants. Firing Kubiak now really doesn't change anything at all. Meh - just my opinion.
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That's still not a reason. Those are examples. Which may not be analogous to the Texans situation. The decision to fire a coach is not always ready to be made in midseaon. That shouldn't be the case here. Kubiak is Dead Coach Walking. The only thing we're discussing is the date of the execution. There is no possible last minute pardon by Governer McNair, this time.

Again, can you give me a reason why Kubiak shouldn't be fired now?
Fine you want to stomp on your toy to show you're mad. You're still waiting 'til Christmas for a new one.

Reasons have been given, primary among them being it accomplishes nothing. We can break that down into subsets (it won't make the players better, it won't make the new coaches better, etc.) of nothing if you want to have "more reasons" but it won't change the bottom line - it accomplishes nothing.

Another is it is considered rude or demeaning. McNair like most owners is not going to do that without an upside. That isn't an aww just be nice to Kubiak thing. How prospective coaches view the handling is also a consideration.

The sum of the examples is the owners do not see the benefit of stomping their toy early just to get out juvenile frustration.
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I don't see where there is anything to be gained by firing Kubiak in season. In fact IMHO it only muddies the water. The smart and prudent thing to do is wait until after the season. This doesn't prevent one from behind the scenes due diligence and negotiations. Patience is a Virtue.
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