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Old 11-25-2013   #941
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the evaluations of Manziel is what got us to this spot. Some people simply can't handle negative evaluations of johnny football.


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tell me about it... some people just can't handle a disagreement of opinions.
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tell me about it... some people just can't handle a disagreement of opinions.


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stand up for the injustice you are being served one day it may pay dividends for you
This sounds like something pulled out of a fortune cookie, no offense.
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However, as an aside, when Manziel played Florida he had Luke Joeckel and Jake Matthews blocking for him. When Bridgewater played Florida he had Alex Kupper and Jamon Brown blocking for him. Who do you think had the advantage?
I'm going to say that Bridgewater had the advantage because it was his 24th start in his college career when he faced Florida. Florida was Manziel's first game he ever started in college and he darn near beat one the absolute best defenses in college. One can only imagine how much better Manziel's numbers would have been if had played in the American Athletic Conference.

Say what you will about SEC defenses but the #4 or #5 SEC defense is likely the #1 defense in any other conference.
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Say what you will about SEC defenses but the #4 or #5 SEC defense is likely the #1 defense in any other conference.
This is why it's impossible to debate with people who don't have an open mind. I'm not a fan of Manziel's pro prospects and you are. That's fine.

But when people tout the SEC as the best defensive league and the stats don't back them up, they just spout BS like the bolded above.

Michigan State leads the nation in almost every defensive category. But yea sure, I'm positive Vanderbilt has a better defense. They are the 5th ranked defense in the SEC after all................
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This is why it's impossible to debate with people who don't have an open mind. I'm not a fan of Manziel's pro prospects and you are. That's fine.

But when people tout the SEC as the best defensive league and the stats don't back them up, they just spout BS like the bolded above.

Michigan State leads the nation in almost every defensive category. But yea sure, I'm positive Vanderbilt has a better defense. They are the 5th ranked defense in the SEC after all................
Simple explanation that Big Ten fans have difficulty understanding, SEC defenses have to face SEC offenses. Michigan St. defensive stats are built on playing anemic Big Ten offenses. It's not difficult. An open mind helps keep the reality of situation in perspective. You saw how that great Notre Dame defense handled Alabama last year didn't you?
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This sounds like something pulled out of a fortune cookie, no offense.

It took you a bit to come up with something other than "okay" I see. Keep up the good fight you are on buddy
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Simple explanation that Big Ten fans have difficulty understanding, SEC defenses have to face SEC offenses. Michigan St. defensive stats are built on playing anemic Big Ten offenses. It's not difficult. An open mind helps keep the reality of situation in perspective. You saw how that great Notre Dame defense handled Alabama last year didn't you?
This, by far, is the most ridiculous thing you've said thus far. Are you preaching to me Mr. SEC fan? I'm not a "Big Ten" fan. I live in Texas. I went to Texas A&M. I root for Michigan because of my dad. So please spare me the act of instructing me on how simple it is.

SEC offenses face SEC defenses? Jesus you are an Aggie. That's the same line of BS the Big 12 was feeding everybody 5-6 years ago when they couldn't stop anyone. By the way, if the offenses are so good then why are only 6 SEC teams ranked in the top 40 in offense? The Pac-12 and Big 12 have just as many. Funny how the Pac-12 has as many top offenses and top defenses as the SEC, but the SEC is the superior defensive league because they play better defense and face "better offenses" lol.

If the stats on defense don't back you up then spout your propaganda about how awesome the offenses are. That's why the defenses aren't as good....

And nobody is debating that Alabama doesn't have a great defense. However, just because Alabama has a great defense doesn't mean the SEC is the best defensive league. That's a prototypical "SEC fan" mindset of the teams that aren't Alabama, but want to throw their hat into that elite ring because they're in the same conference. I'm almost mistaking you for a Kentucky or Tennessee fan now.

And who cares about Notre Dame? They needed the refs to beat Stanford and Pittsburgh. They lucked their way into the title game and everyone knew they were going to the woodshed.
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By the way, if the offenses are so good then why are only 6 SEC teams ranked in the top 40 in offense? The Pac-12 and Big 12 have just as many.

And nobody is debating that Alabama doesn't have a great defense. However, just because Alabama has a great defense doesn't mean the SEC is the best defensive league.
Again, very simple, Pac 12 and Big 12 offenses don't play SEC defenses. Why only 6 out of 40? SEC offenses play SEC defenses. Simply put, if 34 of those top offenses had to play 8 SEC defenses every year they in all likelihood wouldn't be top 40 offenses.

It was the Alabama Offense not the Bama D that had it's way with that great Notre Dame Defense.

What, no comment on the advantage Teddy?

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Again, very simple, Pac 12 and Big 12 offenses don't play SEC defenses. Why only 6 out of 40? SEC offenses play SEC defenses. Simply put, if 34 of those top offenses had to play 8 SEC defenses every year they in all likelihood wouldn't be to 40 offenses.

It was the Alabama Offense not the Bama D that had it's way with that great Notre Dame Defense.

What, no comment on the advantage Teddy?


The aggie d has been great all year right?
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Again, very simple, Pac 12 and Big 12 offenses don't play SEC defenses.
So Baylor averaging 61 point per game isn't good offense. Therefore, Oklahoma State holding them to 17 points isn't good defense.

Likewise, Oregon averaging 50+ points per game isn't good offense. Therefore, Stanford shutting them out for 3 quarters isn't good defense.

Meanwhile, A&M giving up 40+ points to Auburn, Mississippi State, and Alabama and 30+ to Ole Miss, LSU, and Arkansas is because of great offense. Oh yea 31 against Rice too. But hey, they have a great SEC offense as well......

I think we're done here. I have a threshold for debate and I think we've reached it. No need to continue further with the drivel you're spouting.
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The aggie d has been great all year right?
Granted not every team in the SEC has a good D. You're right the A&M D is pretty pitiful. One reason I don't understand why people are giddy about Sumlin to USC or the Texans. That along with the fact w/o Johnny Football, Sumlin could actually be closer to a .500 record. Some team is getting ready to get Franchioneed.
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Texian, wasn't it you who was worried about Teddy's "slim" shoulders taking hits? I don't see how you could be for Manziel when he looks like a pre-teen compared to Teddy.
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So Baylor averaging 61 point per game isn't good offense. Therefore, Oklahoma State holding them to 17 points isn't good defense.

Likewise, Oregon averaging 50+ points per game isn't good offense. Therefore, Stanford shutting them out for 3 quarters isn't good defense.

Meanwhile, A&M giving up 40+ points to Auburn, Mississippi State, and Alabama and 30+ to Ole Miss, LSU, and Arkansas is because of great offense. Oh yea 31 against Rice too. But hey, they have a great SEC offense as well......

I think we're done here. I have a threshold for debate and I think we've reached it. No need to continue further with the drivel you're spouting.
You're cherry picking. I never said there weren't good Defenses other than the SEC. And I never said there weren't good offenses outside of the SEC. I did reference overall that the SEC as a conference was better defensively collectively. Granted A&M D is pitiful, no denying that, I have said it many times but A&M more of the exception than the norm. As for Stanford, I had them as my preseason pick to be in the National Championship game vs Alabama. For the last two years I have been a strong proponent for David Shaw to be the next HC of the Texans and stated many times how Shaw has his team ready to play in all 3 phases of the game, week in and week out. In some of your cherry picking, weather has also played a pretty good defense but don't let that stop you. Advantage Teddy???
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Texian, wasn't it you who was worried about Teddy's "slim" shoulders taking hits? I don't see how you could be for Manziel when he looks like a pre-teen compared to Teddy.
Yes it was me and this has already been much discussed. A review of this thread would be helpful. Teddy is 6'3" and weighs 205, ESPN has him listed at 196. Manziel at 6'0" and weighs 212. In retrospect Manziel appearance wise has broader steadier looking shoulders, Bridgewater appears thin with narrow shoulders. If your looking for argument there are plenty who will agree with you because they simply do not like Manziel. My observation of Bridgewater however is without bias and completely open minded. Trust me, with the Texans looking at the #1 pick I would hope Teddy would be the next coming of Andrew Luck or RGIII but I don't see it, I see a Geno Smith, maybe. Manziel is a closer comparison to RGIII. Very similar in there hype, production except RGIII has a good guy image and Manziel not so much.
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I had a class with Manziel. Granted he only showed up on test days and finished before most folks but dude is broad for his size, fwiw.
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It took you a bit to come up with something other than "okay" I see. Keep up the good fight you are on buddy
WTF are you even talking about.. IF you're talking about my first reply (which wasn't just "okay") The "okay" came from me not knowing WTF your point was or what the hell you were trying to say. I'm not on a "good fight".. buddy, I just didn't know what the hell you were talking about. which is why I tried to be polite and just write off the nonsense that you posted as some fortune cookie insert.

Let me take a guess here though... I'm dealing with another A&M fan ain't I? Go figure.
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WTF are you even talking about.. IF you're talking about my first reply (which wasn't just "okay") The "okay" came from me not knowing WTF your point was or what the hell you were trying to say. I'm not on a "good fight".. buddy, I just didn't know what the hell you were talking about. which is why I tried to be polite and just write off the nonsense that you posted as some fortune cookie insert.
Okay
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