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Old 11-25-2013   #61
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This. It has become painfully clear to me that we may not suck enough to get our hands on someone like Winston next year, so let's grab our franchise guy while we can. Other than the knock on his arm (which isn't a big knock, let's be honest, his arm is more than adequate) Bridgewater has a strong mental game and is almost unfazed by pressure. He steps up in the pocket to deliver.

We land Bridgewater in the 1st, pick up a pass rusher in the second (if we have first pick we can probably still land a late 1st round prospect who just slipped a little) and look for O-line in the third, ILB in the fourth (or perhaps trade up lower picks for another 3rd rounder and get Skov) and so on.

I expect us to pick up a nickel CB in free agency.
Try to trade down and fix alot of the holes this yr. Get a #1 pick in 2015 and use it plus your own 2015 1st rd pick and a 2016 pick if you have to to pick one of Winston/Hogan/Petty, all of whom I like better than Bridgewater.

Lets hope we learned something from the Carr experience and put a great OL around the new QB that should be drafted in the 2015 draft. No need to get Bridgewater killed the way Carr did.

Hopefully the Texans learned to build a strong Foundation 1st, instead of going for the glitz and glamour pick.
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Try to trade down and fix alot of the holes this yr. Get a #1 pick in 2015 and use it plus your own 2015 1st rd pick and a 2016 pick if you have to to pick one of Winston/Hogan/Petty, all of whom I like better than Bridgewater.

Lets hope we learned something from the Carr experience and put a great OL around the new QB that should be drafted in the 2015 draft. No need to get Bridgewater killed the way Carr did.

Hopefully the Texans learned to build a strong Foundation 1st, instead of going for the glitz and glamour pick.
Colts went all in for Luck and stuck him behind a horrid O-Line. They seem to be doing fine.
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Try to trade down and fix alot of the holes this yr. Get a #1 pick in 2015 and use it plus your own 2015 1st rd pick and a 2016 pick if you have to to pick one of Winston/Hogan/Petty, all of whom I like better than Bridgewater.

Lets hope we learned something from the Carr experience and put a great OL around the new QB that should be drafted in the 2015 draft. No need to get Bridgewater killed the way Carr did.

Hopefully the Texans learned to build a strong Foundation 1st, instead of going for the glitz and glamour pick.
The Texans have no QB

I doubt the new head coach is going to suffer through their first year with bums at the most important position in football
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Try to trade down and fix alot of the holes this yr. Get a #1 pick in 2015 and use it plus your own 2015 1st rd pick and a 2016 pick if you have to to pick one of Winston/Hogan/Petty, all of whom I like better than Bridgewater.

Lets hope we learned something from the Carr experience and put a great OL around the new QB that should be drafted in the 2015 draft. No need to get Bridgewater killed the way Carr did.

Hopefully the Texans learned to build a strong Foundation 1st, instead of going for the glitz and glamour pick.
You think one of Winston/Hogan/Petty are worth Bridgewater or Mariota + two #1 starters? I don't and Petty is only one that has to come out. Bad move imo.
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You think one of Winston/Hogan/Petty are worth Bridgewater or Mariota + two #1 starters? I don't and Petty is only one that has to come out. Bad move imo.
After the OL is fixed and the DL/LB's are fixed, then yes I do think Winston/Hogan/Petty are better by alot over Bridgewater.

If you're a trade down kinda guy, do you trade down with Cleveland for a RG3 type trade? I do, and there are better QB options in 2015.
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The Texans have no QB

I doubt the new head coach is going to suffer through their first year with bums at the most important position in football
Not disagreeing with you.

But after the Carr experience you hope the Texans learned their lesson on how to build a team.

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Colts went all in for Luck and stuck him behind a horrid O-Line. They seem to be doing fine.
"Doing fine" meant being flukey-as-hell statistically last year and having it catch up to them over the last two weeks.
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After the OL is fixed and the DL/LB's are fixed, then yes I do think Winston/Hogan/Petty are better by alot over Bridgewater.

If you're a trade down kinda guy, do you trade down with Cleveland for a RG3 type trade? I do, and there are better QB options in 2015.
Well I have already posted my trade mock so that answers that but I'd be stunned if anyone else bought your scenario. What happens if Petty is only one coming out and we can't buy a trade to get him? I will have to think hard about passing up Mariotta if available.
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The team has no QB or pass rush outside JJ Watt.
... Despite spending high round picks on the position every year. So having them spend yet another high round draft pick on the position does nothing to assure me they'll fix that problem, especially if Rick Smith stays.

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If they could fix RT with a 3rd rounder, then they should have already. Pass rush can be fixed with a 3rd round pick if the people doing the picking don't suck. If they suck, then a 1st or 2nd rounder isn't going to help anyway. This particular year, QBs will be available in the 3rd that can be impact players.
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"Doing fine" meant being flukey-as-hell statistically last year and having it catch up to them over the last two weeks.
They still made the playoffs last year and will win the division this year. Not too bad for a team with almost no talent outside of the QB position.
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... Despite spending high round picks on the position every year. So having them spend yet another high round draft pick on the position does nothing to assure me they'll fix that problem, especially if Rick Smith stays.



If they could fix RT with a 3rd rounder, then they should have already. Pass rush can be fixed with a 3rd round pick if the people doing the picking don't suck. If they suck, then a 1st or 2nd rounder isn't going to help anyway. This particular year, QBs will be available in the 3rd that can be impact players.
Other than Watt our pass rushers have been pretty pathetic. Merci looked good Sunday but is about avg in my view. Can we look at Trevardo Williams being the man?
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... Despite spending high round picks on the position every year. So having them spend yet another high round draft pick on the position does nothing to assure me they'll fix that problem, especially if Rick Smith stays.



If they could fix RT with a 3rd rounder, then they should have already. Pass rush can be fixed with a 3rd round pick if the people doing the picking don't suck. If they suck, then a 1st or 2nd rounder isn't going to help anyway. This particular year, QBs will be available in the 3rd that can be impact players.
How many RTs in the NFL are first round picks (not counting failed LTs)?

Unless you want the Texans starting Mark Sanchez next year, they are going QB in round 1
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After the OL is fixed and the DL/LB's are fixed, then yes I do think Winston/Hogan/Petty are better by alot over Bridgewater.

If you're a trade down kinda guy, do you trade down with Cleveland for a RG3 type trade? I do, and there are better QB options in 2015.
I am all in for a Wash-STL trade back with CLE. And if QB Blake Bortles declares I would give strong consideration to him being the first pick

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... Despite spending high round picks on the position every year. So having them spend yet another high round draft pick on the position does nothing to assure me they'll fix that problem, especially if Rick Smith stays.

If they could fix RT with a 3rd rounder, then they should have already. Pass rush can be fixed with a 3rd round pick if the people doing the picking don't suck. If they suck, then a 1st or 2nd rounder isn't going to help anyway. This particular year, QBs will be available in the 3rd that can be impact players.
If Texans traded back w/ CLE and also got their Indy pick for Richardson, IMHO Brandon Scherff makes a lot sense there. Plays LT but can play RT. Best case scenario if Brown gets injured. I know, I know a lot of Ifs, Ands or Butts and a whole lot of Wishful Thinking.
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It's not about getting a RT in the first round. It's about getting a right tackle now, and a left tackle later (and as injury insurance for the left tackle spot). I have severe doubts about any of the other lineman on this team playing left tackle should Duane Brown ever go down. We'd also have the best pair of bookends in the NFL for at least 5 years.

I honestly just want the position addressed within the first 2 rounds by a player of high caliber
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You can call it whatever you like, it's still a right tackle in the top five.
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My confidence in Texan OL performance dropped once Bruce fled back to Tennessee, that short stint proved the most fruitful in terms of a cohesive unit able to control line of scrimmage as well protect an immobile QB. His son Jake, most likely will be mis-cast in the hands of a franchise who is OT needy. To me he looks like a natural, most likely Hall of Fame capable LG. Put him next to Duane Brown & teams would have hard time stopping the run or pressuring the QB. Draft a RT top of 2nd & with the young players coming back next offseason off IR as well as Brooks, Myers & Newton that would be a formidable OL to reckon with for any team
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After watching the Offensive line play the last two season, I have no problems taking a right tackle in the top five. It's been that bad
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My confidence in Texan OL performance dropped once Bruce fled back to Tennessee, that short stint proved the most fruitful in terms of a cohesive unit able to control line of scrimmage as well protect an immobile QB. His son Jake, most likely will be mis-cast in the hands of a franchise who is OT needy. To me he looks like a natural, most likely Hall of Fame capable LG. Put him next to Duane Brown & teams would have hard time stopping the run or pressuring the QB. Draft a RT top of 2nd & with the young players coming back next offseason off IR as well as Brooks, Myers & Newton that would be a formidable OL to reckon with for any team
Never thought about Matthews as a OG. But you're right.

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You can call it whatever you like, it's still a right tackle in the top five.
I call it filling a dire need hole for a few years then same "it" moves to one of the most important positions on the team and locks it down. I call it a safe, smart move if we can['t get the trade down we want. Matthews and Mosley only two "can't miss" players in first round.
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Fisher,Joeckel, and Johnson all went in the top five this past draft. And each of them are currently listed at right tackle for their teams. Not exactly unheard of.
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