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Old 11-23-2013   #21
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The Texans have never taken care of the trenches 1st since their inception.
I would say their inception belies that. In the expansion draft they tried to get bookend OTs as their 1st two picks. They brought in a vet C as their 1st UFA signing and then spent 2 1st day draft picks on G (in addition to another 2 Gs from the expansion draft). It didn't work out but they sure as hell tried. DL same thing. A pro bowler and should have been pro bowler in Walker and Payne, another 1st day draft pick (who busted). Again, they tried.

Kubiak's initial draft showed a similar effort using the #1 overall on a DE and 2 3rds on OTs.
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Old 11-23-2013   #22
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YET. I think that's the operable word here Steve. I don't think Big Mac is still in the "We're on the right track" mode. I think/really hope he's reading the pulse of the failed organization that's in place now. I'll be pissturbed beyond belief if this coaching staff is retained post season. I will get flack here but I'm not so sure that Rick Smith is incapable of doing a better job if he's not curtailed in his personnel calls by the coaching staff. Some have leveled complaints about the scouting staff as well and my feelings are the same there as well. Just tell 'em what you're looking for and they'll show up with it. Just get them an accurate "grocery list".
The Texans org needs a fresh start, new ideas. That means Rick needs to go. Do you trust Rick Smith to hire the new HC? I dont, Rick did most of the evaluating for the 2010 draft. Gary missed the combine. That draft is a big reason why talent/depth is lacking on todays roster
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Old 11-24-2013   #23
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I think Schaub's collapse was actually happening before the NE game. It's just that NE was a good enough team to expose how bad it was.

This team will be in trouble if we don't draft a OT early. I think our offense can manage with the rest of the personnel. Our defense will likely need a lot more players. Mercilus was a good pick if you had someone else playing the run downs. He's too much of a specialist. We have too many holes on the defense right now and a coaching staff that can't minimize those problems.

Get rid of the coaches, get an OT, OLB, and corner and let's start retooling.
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The Article is a good Harvard Business School of the Texans Demise, for some us here is an easy explanation:

The KISS explanation or Texans Demise for Dummies:

"With Kubiak on the hot seat after the 2010 season, Smubiak mortgaged the farm prior to the 2011 season. The BIG spending along with Peyton's broken neck, Jeff Fisher's departure and a favorable schedule enabled the Texans to be much improved. Starting with the 2012 season, payments for the 2011 mortgage loan became due. In order to pay the piper, the Texans began making trips to the Pawn Shop, along with refinancing the mortgage every year just to meet their minimal financial obligations for each season since 2011. As a result their standard of living has declined significantly and Smubiak is about to lose the farm."
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Why would you think that Smith could do a better job?
What has he done on his own personnel wise? Has he had any input other than DB's maybe? Our scouting dept has for the most part been a failure
Reference the last sentence JB. I don't think any of us know exactly how all these decisions go down. Could it ALL be RS's fault? Sure, it could be but then again, none of us really know. I've watched this team go to hell in a handbasket this season but at the same time have seen and heard about this team being deep in talent over the last several years. Yeah, I know. What talent?

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The Texans org needs a fresh start, new ideas. That means Rick needs to go. Do you trust Rick Smith to hire the new HC? I dont, Rick did most of the evaluating for the 2010 draft. Gary missed the combine. That draft is a big reason why talent/depth is lacking on todays roster
I couldn't agree more that this organization needs an enema. Badly. After watching this fiasco on the field today I'm all for throwing out the bathwater and the baby. Start with a clean tub. That could be the best move that McNair has ever made. You know as well as I do that can be a whole chorus of double edge sword, the lid on Pandora's box, on and on. Does he try to coax Herm or Dennis Green out of retirement, look to an up and coming coordinator, look in the college ranks or snag one of the many retreads that will become available the day he cuts Gary loose?

I hope McNair's football IQ has grown enough to make the right decision. I also know how he craves stability. I don't know if he would consider keeping the GM in place "stability" or if he's fed up enough to cut the entire crop and start new. I don't think any of "us" know.

All that said, after today I'm all in for just burning the place down and starting fresh knowing full well it can go in several different directions.
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The Texans org needs a fresh start, new ideas. That means Rick needs to go. Do you trust Rick Smith to hire the new HC? I dont, Rick did most of the evaluating for the 2010 draft. Gary missed the combine. That draft is a big reason why talent/depth is lacking on todays roster
I'm slow on the pick up and loathe to change. How do we know who makes the ultimate calls on draft picks or who has the most influence? Does Kubiak exert an inordinate amount of influence over the draft or Smith? We've had some very talented players on this team and some very good drafts. Players haven't always developed the way we all thought. That happens.

We've also let some talented players go that have been productive for other teams. I think Smith is a good GM and I also think it would be good for him to get a HC he's not so close to. That closeness can and will cloud the judgement too often.

I guess I see the current situation more as a coaching/execution issue than a talent issue. I think the talent is there to be a winning team. Everything else seems to be lacking.
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I'm slow on the pick up and loathe to change. How do we know who makes the ultimate calls on draft picks or who has the most influence? Does Kubiak exert an inordinate amount of influence over the draft or Smith? We've had some very talented players on this team and some very good drafts. Players haven't always developed the way we all thought. That happens.

We've also let some talented players go that have been productive for other teams. I think Smith is a good GM and I also think it would be good for him to get a HC he's not so close to. That closeness can and will cloud the judgement too often.

I guess I see the current situation more as a coaching/execution issue than a talent issue. I think the talent is there to be a winning team. Everything else seems to be lacking.
My problem with Smith is not so much his draft day decisions, but his salary cap management. Maybe he needs a better capologist.

But we have let a lot of guys go and have not had a "next man up" to replace them. I would like a completely different organization in place here so we can start fresh. If we need to keep Smith for the offseason and get someone else I'm fine with that.
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My problem with Smith is not so much his draft day decisions, but his salary cap management. Maybe he needs a better capologist.

But we have let a lot of guys go and have not had a "next man up" to replace them. I would like a completely different organization in place here so we can start fresh. If we need to keep Smith for the offseason and get someone else I'm fine with that.
Next man up would be on the coaches say so, wouldn't it?
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Wade Smith, Duane Newton, Schaub need to be replaced. Losing OD hurt more than I expected.

We need two new OLBs and one or two ILBs and one ot two CBs and one or two Ss and a NT.

And we need to invest the time & money to upgrade our STs from the top down.

So, just a few tweaks.
i hope you're joking.
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Default Re: Explaining the Texans Breakdown

You can't hide a qb. I view qbs naked.Can the qb win if the ol isn't playing well,running game avg,and defense playing avg? If your qb can't win games with those conditions, then you need a qb. Against high level teams,things won't be perfect,but your qb has to be able to overcome this. The most recent sb champ qbs have been able to do this. Ben,rodgers,eli,and flacco had avg ol play and little run games to boot. Brady and manning have been playing with avg defense for the last 7 yrs.
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andre just explained everything and the reason were are losing


" WE SUCK on offensive "




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