Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > Football Talk > College Football & the 2014 NFL Draft
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


College Football & the 2014 NFL Draft The future stars of the NFL

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-20-2013   #41
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
 
TexansSeminole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Orlando, FL
Age: 27
Posts: 8,559
Rep Power: 67501 TexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemp View Post
Uh oh. This could be a big problem for Winston if true.

He may have to be suspended (per FSU rules) if he get charged and this is looking VERY bad for the Tallahassee PD and FSU. And if they buried a rape investigation and lied to the media about the victim being drunk when she wasn't BECAUSE he was a football player, the school may have no choice but to suspend him pending the investigation to save face.

http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2013/PDFs/winston.pdf
It wouldn't be FSU's fault. It's more on TPD and potentially the State Attorney's office. I've heard that it's possible that the State Attorney's office, even Meggs, did know about the case back in December of last year. Either way, something is foul here.

If the family received blood and DNA work back in April, why are they not wondering why charges were not brought based on those results? Seems to me that if Winston was identified via blood work, the family would expect charges to be brought on him. Yet, they don't seem to be wondering about that. Did the blood work show that he was or wasn't involved? Considering they didn't bring that up, leads me to believe that he wasn't identified.

Too many question marks. Way too many. If she's been raped, where did she wake up? Seems that if you wake up somewhere and are unsure of who may have raped you, wouldn't you be able to determine that based on the residence in which you woke up? That would be a good place to start. So, she called police about the attack and did she tell them where she woke up? The part in which Winston wasn't initially named as the suspect by the victim is strange to me. Why would it take you 1 month to identify someone if you aren't intoxicated, as the family suggests? Also, why is the description of the attacker in the original police report so far off from Winston's physical description.

Why does it matter how much time Winston has to get his defense team and witnesses together? Witnesses are going to either lie or tell the truth, time doesn't change that. The defense also thought things were over in February, so why does that even matter?

Either way, the State Attorney's office is now heading the investigation so the original detectives are not leading the current investigation. I don't even know if they are involved. The only new information that we have is that witnesses have supported Winston's claims of what happened and that the family may have received blood work at some point in which didn't constitute charges being brought on Winston. Those two things and that the family is claiming that TPD improperly handled the case.

Need more information. Sounds like TPD was either biased or negligent in how they handled this, the State Attorney's office is corrupt, and/or the victim didn't have any concrete information that she gave to police, regardless of if Winston is guilty or not guilty. Wouldn't be surprised if both TPD and the State Attorney's office is corrupt. Meggs has been accused of corruption since as far back as 1999 over a number of issues.

Honestly, who gets raped, gets the blood work back and doesn't press for charges after 8 months have gone by? Who fears for their daughter's public perception over justice in their daughter's rape? All sounds very strange to me. If you are worried about public perception, transfer schools and sue for damages. If my daughter is raped, I'm going all out to get justice. I don't care who is the supposed perpetrator.

There's also a picture going around the area of Winston in the club kissing this girl and she's all wrapped around him, so take that for whatever it's worth. Probably nothing. She's white by the way. Pretty sure the club is "Coliseum" based on the decor that I see.
TexansSeminole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2013   #42
Stemp
Brew Master
 
Stemp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Temple, TX
Section: Sec 118 Row H
Age: 37
Posts: 7,124
Rep Power: 46692 Stemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

Quote:
Originally Posted by TexansSeminole View Post
It wouldn't be FSU's fault. It's more on TPD and potentially the State Attorney's office. I've heard that it's possible that the State Attorney's office, even Meggs, did know about the case back in December of last year. Either way, something is foul here.

If the family received blood and DNA work back in April, why are they not wondering why charges were not brought based on those results? Seems to me that if Winston was identified via blood work, the family would expect charges to be brought on him. Yet, they don't seem to be wondering about that. Did the blood work show that he was or wasn't involved? Considering they didn't bring that up, leads me to believe that he wasn't identified.
He was identified. The police refused to collect DNA from him or interview his roommate. I believe they have yet to collect DNA from Winston.

Quote:
Too many question marks. Way too many. If she's been raped, where did she wake up? Seems that if you wake up somewhere and are unsure of who may have raped you, wouldn't you be able to determine that based on the residence in which you woke up? That would be a good place to start. So, she called police about the attack and did she tell them where she woke up? The part in which Winston wasn't initially named as the suspect by the victim is strange to me. Why would it take you 1 month to identify someone if you aren't intoxicated, as the family suggests? Also, why is the description of the attacker in the original police report so far off from Winston's physical description.
You know what a roofie is? If you are trying to describe a person who is attacking you, how well would be able to tell if a person is 5'10" vs 6'1"? Seriously.? Unless you have a ruler on a door or stand directly next to the person, I doubt anyone could accurately describe a person's height, much less when they've been raped and are in trauma.

Quote:
Why does it matter how much time Winston has to get his defense team and witnesses together? Witnesses are going to either lie or tell the truth, time doesn't change that. The defense also thought things were over in February, so why does that even matter?
If they alerted a person they are being investigated before interviewing him, it gives him time to get his story straight and talk to his friends to make sure their stories line up. Further, people's memory are of an event are much better the closer to the event they are interviewed. The way people remember events and details may change over time, even without meaning for it, simply because more time has passed.

Quote:
Either way, the State Attorney's office is now heading the investigation so the original detectives are not leading the current investigation. I don't even know if they are involved. The only new information that we have is that witnesses have supported Winston's claims of what happened and that the family may have received blood work at some point in which didn't constitute charges being brought on Winston. Those two things and that the family is claiming that TPD improperly handled the case.
Right, they are investigating nearly a year later and the alleged perpatrator has had time to get rid of any evidence, talk to the witnesses (who happen to be his friends) and make sure they support his version of events. This doesn't seem wrong to you??

Quote:
Honestly, who gets raped, gets the blood work back and doesn't press for charges after 8 months have gone by? Who fears for their daughter's public perception over justice in their daughter's rape? All sounds very strange to me. If you are worried about public perception, transfer schools and sue for damages. If my daughter is raped, I'm going all out to get justice. I don't care who is the supposed perpetrator.
That's what they did!! Why do you think they went to the attorney and kept pushing the police for results and an investigation? It took the media getting wind of this before any action was done. And how many idiots on that campus and in town would make her life hell if she publicly accused the star QB of rape?

Quote:
There's also a picture going around the area of Winston in the club kissing this girl and she's all wrapped around him, so take that for whatever it's worth. Probably nothing. She's white by the way. Pretty sure the club is "Coliseum" based on the decor that I see.
Many rapes are done by people the victim knows or has been intimate with.
Much more likely to let your guard down with someone you know than a stranger.


You are a fan and you WANT to believe him. I get it. But if the victim was someone you knew or the alleged perp was just another guy instead of the star QB, do you think you'd feel differently about things?
Stemp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2013   #43
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
 
TexansSeminole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Orlando, FL
Age: 27
Posts: 8,559
Rep Power: 67501 TexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemp View Post
He was identified. The police refused to collect DNA from him or interview his roommate. I believe they have yet to collect DNA from Winston.
He was identified 1 month after the attack.

That's not how I read it. They said they waited for the DNA results until April. Sounds like they are more concerned with the timing of the DNA test. The police didn't get his DNA right away because they say they didn't want to tip him off that he was being investigated yet.

So, it sounds like they got his DNA results in April, or else what DNA results are they talking about? There is no information that the results from her test can give without something to compare it to. They are clearly talking about the DNA results from some other person, and Winston is the only person that they are talking about.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemp View Post
You know what a roofie is? If you are trying to describe a person who is attacking you, how well would be able to tell if a person is 5'10" vs 6'1"? Seriously.? Unless you have a ruler on a door or stand directly next to the person, I doubt anyone could accurately describe a person's height, much less when they've been raped and are in trauma.
Did you not read the same report that you posted? It says that the blood work determined that she was not intoxicated and they seem to take offense to the fact that it is being reported that she may have been. Clearly, if there was something in her bloodwork that showed that she had been roofied, don't you think they would be talking about that or that we would have heard something about that by now? Nobody is reporting that she was roofed. So, that is all assumption on your part.

You can't tell the difference between a 6'4" person and a 5'9" person, especially when you are sober? That is the difference in what the police report says and the actual height of Winston. You can't accurately tell the difference between those two? Seriously?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemp View Post
If they alerted a person they are being investigated before interviewing him, it gives him time to get his story straight and talk to his friends to make sure their stories line up. Further, people's memory are of an event are much better the closer to the event they are interviewed. The way people remember events and details may change over time, even without meaning for it, simply because more time has passed.
That was their whole reasoning for not taking DNA from Winston right away. I don't know if that's proper detective work in this kind of situation or not, and neither should you unless you are a detective or familiar with how they conduct rape investigations. It stands to reason that they would do some preliminary questioning and try to get as much information as possible before they take a DNA sample from someone and then precede to watch them lawyer up and shut their mouth. I know that if I were asked to submit a DNA test in the investigation of a woman's rape, I would immediately get a lawyer after I gave my DNA. I'd be on the phone with one as I left the police station.

Do you know how long a DNA test done for this type of investigation takes the police to process? I don't.

Winston's lawyer has already stated that witness interviews were conducted back before February, when he thought the case was closed. So, witnesses have already given their statements. There is no worry about the details changing in their mind, their account has already been recorded.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemp View Post
Right, they are investigating nearly a year later and the alleged perpatrator has had time to get rid of any evidence, talk to the witnesses (who happen to be his friends) and make sure they support his version of events. This doesn't seem wrong to you??
I don't know if it's wrong. I don't know how well the original investigation was conducted. Neither do you. We don't have information on that, all we have is the victim's family saying they weren't given information quickly enough.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemp View Post
That's what they did!! Why do you think they went to the attorney and kept pushing the police for results and an investigation? It took the media getting wind of this before any action was done. And how many idiots on that campus and in town would make her life hell if she publicly accused the star QB of rape?
Probably not very many. People are not barbarians. If a woman is raped and has a legitimate case against someone, the community is going to support her.

They got the results in April is what I am getting at. Why didn't they push for charges right then and there? If they were unable to get anything done in the face of overwhelming evidence, they should have gone to a higher agency to investigate the matter. It points to that the results that they got in April weren't what they thought they'd be and now they want to go after TPD in regards to the slow progress of the investigation.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemp View Post
You are a fan and you WANT to believe him. I get it. But if the victim was someone you knew or the alleged perp was just another guy instead of the star QB, do you think you'd feel differently about things?
No. The statement released by her family is weird. Read it again and look at the facts as we have them. It's not well constructed in the very least. I'd be surprised if a lawyer even read over it.

All the family is doing is questioning the timing of specific aspects of the investigation. If the police don't have anything to go by, they don't press charges. The family isn't even saying that there is clear cut evidence that he should be charged.

We can talk about this again when we have more actual information. Like the DNA results that the family got back in April. What did that say? That's actual evidence. Until we get more information, it's all assumptions. Both you and I are simply assuming basically everything we are saying here.
TexansSeminole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2013   #44
Stemp
Brew Master
 
Stemp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Temple, TX
Section: Sec 118 Row H
Age: 37
Posts: 7,124
Rep Power: 46692 Stemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

Quote:
Originally Posted by TexansSeminole View Post
He was identified 1 month after the attack.

That's not how I read it. They said they waited for the DNA results until April. Sounds like they are more concerned with the timing of the DNA test. The police didn't get his DNA right away because they say they didn't want to tip him off that he was being investigated yet.

So, it sounds like they got his DNA results in April, or else what DNA results are they talking about? There is no information that the results from her test can give without something to compare it to. They are clearly talking about the DNA results from some other person, and Winston is the only person that they are talking about.
THERE ARE NO DNA RESULTS. They were waiting for the victim's bloodwork to come back, which they didn't get was until April. Winston has never had his DNA taken. It does NOT take 6 months to run bloodwork. Ask any tech who works for hospital or doctor. The police protected Winston as a suspect and stonewalled the victim and her attorney.

Quote:
Did you not read the same report that you posted? It says that the blood work determined that she was not intoxicated and they seem to take offense to the fact that it is being reported that she may have been. Clearly, if there was something in her bloodwork that showed that she had been roofied, don't you think they would be talking about that or that we would have heard something about that by now? Nobody is reporting that she was roofed. So, that is all assumption on your part.
They are taking offense to the fact that the police made it seem like she got herself intoxicated and trying to blame the victim (which seems to have worked on you).

Quote:
You can't tell the difference between a 6'4" person and a 5'9" person, especially when you are sober? That is the difference in what the police report says and the actual height of Winston. You can't accurately tell the difference between those two? Seriously?
Have you ever been under stress and trauma had had to identify a person's height? You are guessing, not pulling out a tape measure. You think you could remember what a person's height or face looked like if they were pointing a gun at you or if you were being held down and raped? If you are banking on the fact that the height was wrong, then you re holding on to a very thin rope.

Quote:
That was their whole reasoning for not taking DNA from Winston right away. I don't know if that's proper detective work in this kind of situation or not, and neither should you unless you are a detective or familiar with how they conduct rape investigations. It stands to reason that they would do some preliminary questioning and try to get as much information as possible before they take a DNA sample from someone and then precede to watch them lawyer up and shut their mouth. I know that if I were asked to submit a DNA test in the investigation of a woman's rape, I would immediately get a lawyer after I gave my DNA. I'd be on the phone with one as I left the police station.
Except they didn't do preliminary questioning, at least not of Winston or his witness buddy. They took her blood and figured out the alleged was Winston and then stonewalled her. The police are supposed to question people as soon as possible and they didn't. They stonewalled the victim, put the investigation in a drawer and left it there till the media got wind nearly a year later.

Quote:
Do you know how long a DNA test done for this type of investigation takes the police to process? I don't.
There is no DNA. Blood work takes a week at most. So either they didn't send it out or they sat on the results for months.

Quote:
Winston's lawyer has already stated that witness interviews were conducted back before February, when he thought the case was closed. So, witnesses have already given their statements. There is no worry about the details changing in their mind, their account has already been recorded.
No, Winston's lawyer was informed they closed the cased when they hadn't and haven't interviewed Winston or his roommate. The "witnesses who support Winston's version" spoke to Winston's attorney, not the police.

Quote:
I don't know if it's wrong. I don't know how well the original investigation was conducted. Neither do you. We don't have information on that, all we have is the victim's family saying they weren't given information quickly enough.
Common sense would dictate it doesn't take a 6 months to get blood work done or a year to to send a rape case to the state attorney or to question the alleged perpetrator. If they thought he might be innocent, they would have interviewed him and then closed the case, not stick in a drawer.

Quote:
Probably not very many. People are not barbarians. If a woman is raped and has a legitimate case against someone, the community is going to support her.
Wow, you must live a dreamworld. The supporters of a school taking the side of a victim and not the star QB? Seriously? The POLICE EVEN TOLD HER ATTORNEY TO THINK ABOUT THE ACCUSATION AND THAT SHE WOULD LIKELY FACE RETRIBUTION FOR ACCUSING HIM!!

Quote:
They got the results in April is what I am getting at. Why didn't they push for charges right then and there? If they were unable to get anything done in the face of overwhelming evidence, they should have gone to a higher agency to investigate the matter. It points to that the results that they got in April weren't what they thought they'd be and now they want to go after TPD in regards to the slow progress of the investigation.
Again, BECAUSE IT WASNT DNA. It was HER blood work.

Quote:
All the family is doing is questioning the timing of specific aspects of the investigation. If the police don't have anything to go by, they don't press charges. The family isn't even saying that there is clear cut evidence that he should be charged.
The family is questioning whether the police buried the investigation and protected the FSU star QB. And why did they inform Winston's attorney if they didn't want to tip him off? And why did they keep the school police informed if they made it clear they didn't have jurisdiction?

Quote:
We can talk about this again when we have more actual information. Like the DNA results that the family got back in April. What did that say? That's actual evidence. Until we get more information, it's all assumptions. Both you and I are simply assuming basically everything we are saying here.
THERE IS NO DNA.
Stemp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2013   #45
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
 
TexansSeminole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Orlando, FL
Age: 27
Posts: 8,559
Rep Power: 67501 TexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

So who's DNA results were they waiting to be released to them, that was apparently released to them in April?

You make a point about people being raped by people they know, then go on a tangent about not being able to identify someone in a stressful situation. If you know the person already, shouldn't you be able to identify them? You're being inconsistent.

You also are saying that the family is worried about the victim being blamed, by the police, for being intoxicated. Where have you read that police said this? Assumptions again. It's the media that reported that she may have been. Before you make the assumption that she was roofied, now you're backing off that by saying the police are blaming her by incorrectly saying she was intoxicated. Again, inconsistent.

Six months for blood work? You got six months from where? January to early April is 3 months, assuming they took the sample in January. She identified him in January and the family is upset that the DNA wasn't taken immediately, so it is safe to assume that they waiting until perhaps early February, after they did more investigating, to take the sample. That means 2 months.

You keep saying that Winston's DNA wasn't taken but that's not what was said. The family is worried about the timing of it.

It's pretty clear that you already think Winston is guilty, or want him to be found guilty. Maybe it is because you want your boy to win the Heisman and this is an easy way for him to do so? I don't know. You're talking in circles. You've made assumptions and now turned them into "facts" when there is no reason to do so. Engaging you in this conversation is to read you capitalize your assumptions and put exclamation marks behind them. No thanks.
TexansSeminole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2013   #46
Stemp
Brew Master
 
Stemp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Temple, TX
Section: Sec 118 Row H
Age: 37
Posts: 7,124
Rep Power: 46692 Stemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

Quote:
Originally Posted by TexansSeminole View Post
So who's DNA results were they waiting to be released to them, that was apparently released to them in April?
THERE IS NO DNA. WHY ARE YOU HUNG UP ON DNA. They were waiting for the victims bloodwork to come back.

You are trying to argue tangents and all I am saying is that there are good reasons why her description doesn't exactly match Winston. But apparently there was other things pointing at him to make them believe he was a suspect. And then they just stopped the investigation once he was identified.

Quote:
Six months for blood work? You got six months from where? January to early April is 3 months, assuming they took the sample in January. She identified him in January and the family is upset that the DNA wasn't taken immediately, so it is safe to assume that they waiting until perhaps early February, after they did more investigating, to take the sample. That means 2 months.
OK 4 months. Dec (when the incident happened and they took her blood) to April is 4 months. Still WAY too long to get results.

Quote:
You keep saying that Winston's DNA wasn't taken but that's not what was said. The family is worried about the timing of it.
No, they haven't taken DNA from him yet. In fact, as of Nov 14, Winston's lawyer said the police NOW want to get a DNA swab, but my understanding is that he hasn't given it yet. And again, Winston's lawyer (who also happens to represent FSU and its athletic dept) has offered to provide witnesses. The cops never did their job and interviewed them themselves.

Quote:
It's pretty clear that you already think Winston is guilty, or want him to be found guilty. Maybe it is because you want your boy to win the Heisman and this is an easy way for him to do so? I don't know. You're talking in circles. You've made assumptions and now turned them into "facts" when there is no reason to do so. Engaging you in this conversation is to read you capitalize your assumptions and put exclamation marks behind them. No thanks.
No, you are just either misinformed or jumbling facts and assumptions to keep your boy completely innocent in your mind so he can continue to play. But from what I'm hearing he may be forced to sit for the ACC championship game and the bowl game.


BTW Here are the facts

* They haven't yet taken nor tested Winston's DNA
* The police never interviewed Winston after he was identified as a suspect
* The police never interviewed Winston's roommate after Winston was identified as a suspect.
* The police told the victim no one outside of law enforcement knew about the allegations even though they told Winston's lawyer about the case
* The police told Winston's lawyer the case was closed (when it wasn't)
* The police wrote in the report the victim declined to press charges when her attorney was actually calling repeatedly to find out the test results to make a determination.
* The victim waited for ~4 months for test results that take less than a week to process.

I'm upset because this this isn't a guy possibly breaking NCAA rules. This is a crime that is being covered up by the police because the alleged perp is a football player. The fact that the police covered it up so much and stonewalled for so long, to me, indicates there may be more to the story.

So let's find out if he's innocent or not. Let's get a swab of DNA and find out if it matches. I wonder why Winston's lawyers haven't advised him to do that if he's totally innocent?
Stemp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2013   #47
keyser
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,286
Rep Power: 24723 keyser is a quality contributor and well respectedkeyser is a quality contributor and well respectedkeyser is a quality contributor and well respectedkeyser is a quality contributor and well respectedkeyser is a quality contributor and well respectedkeyser is a quality contributor and well respectedkeyser is a quality contributor and well respectedkeyser is a quality contributor and well respectedkeyser is a quality contributor and well respectedkeyser is a quality contributor and well respectedkeyser is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

Well, it looks like this just got more serious for Winston:

Quote:
A DNA analysis completed by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement on Tuesday confirmed that DNA provided by Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston matched the sample taken from the underwear of a woman who has accused him of sexual battery.
Link.

At the risk of sending this thread to the no-spin zone, regardless of whether Winston is guilty or not, how could that police department be so messed up that they would not have investigated this thoroughly months ago?
keyser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2013   #48
Texn4life
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Age: 33
Posts: 3,055
Rep Power: 31529 Texn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

Quote:
Originally Posted by keyser View Post
Well, it looks like this just got more serious for Winston:


Link.

At the risk of sending this thread to the no-spin zone, regardless of whether Winston is guilty or not, how could that police department be so messed up that they would not have investigated this thoroughly months ago?
Wow, while this doesn't mean he's guilty of sexual assault this isn't good. He'll have to somehow prove the sex was consensual, but the fact he chose to not speak to police makes him look almost guilty as sin now. I hope its not true, but wow.
Texn4life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2013   #49
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
 
TexansSeminole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Orlando, FL
Age: 27
Posts: 8,559
Rep Power: 67501 TexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

Quote:
Originally Posted by keyser View Post
Well, it looks like this just got more serious for Winston:


Link.

At the risk of sending this thread to the no-spin zone, regardless of whether Winston is guilty or not, how could that police department be so messed up that they would not have investigated this thoroughly months ago?
Yikes. Now that's proof. He better hope that he has some proof that it was consensual.

He doesn't come across as the type, but you never know for sure. Hope he isn't, but if he is I don't want him on the Seminoles.

In regards to TPD, doesn't surprise me all that much to be honest.
TexansSeminole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2013   #50
Dutchrudder 
COOL BEANS!
 
Dutchrudder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Houston
Section: Fort Kickass
Age: 30
Posts: 15,063
Rep Power: 150980 Dutchrudder is a quality contributor and well respectedDutchrudder is a quality contributor and well respectedDutchrudder is a quality contributor and well respectedDutchrudder is a quality contributor and well respectedDutchrudder is a quality contributor and well respectedDutchrudder is a quality contributor and well respectedDutchrudder is a quality contributor and well respectedDutchrudder is a quality contributor and well respectedDutchrudder is a quality contributor and well respectedDutchrudder is a quality contributor and well respectedDutchrudder is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

I haven't really been following the story, but did Winston deny sleeping with this chick before the DNA test?
__________________
Life is too important to be taken seriously. -Oscar Wilde
Dutchrudder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2013   #51
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
 
TexansSeminole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Orlando, FL
Age: 27
Posts: 8,559
Rep Power: 67501 TexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutchrudder View Post
I haven't really been following the story, but did Winston deny sleeping with this chick before the DNA test?
No, he hadn't given any statement pretty much at all. His lawyer is saying that they never denied it.
TexansSeminole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2013   #52
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
 
TexansSeminole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Orlando, FL
Age: 27
Posts: 8,559
Rep Power: 67501 TexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

So, I'll share what I am hearing through the grapevine. Take it for what it's worth, probably not much.

Apparently the affidavit from both the accuser's roommate and a football player state that they were both present the night of the incident. It apparently happened at her apartment. They both say that the two had an ongoing relationship, in which they have photos taken before and after the incident. Her roommate claims that she was upset with Winston because his real girlfriend was coming into town and he had told the accuser to law low. She called police and then changed her mind but was embarrassed when they got to the scene. According to roommate, she intentionally fabricated description of the accuser so as to not implicate Jameis, because she had changed her mind. In the investigation, she was pressed and eventually admitted, one month later, that it was Jameis that she had originally called police about. She met with Meggs at the State Attorney's office and reaffirmed that she did not want to press charges. TPD and State Attorney's office were investigating and now are trying to figure out how to clear Winston without humiliating the accuser. Winston informed Jimbo Fisher in December of everything.

Again, rumors that I am hearing. Who knows if it is true or not. Could be completely false. Just passing along what I am hearing. That kind of goes with what I had heard earlier, that Meggs knew about the investigation in January.

It's going to be interesting when we finally learn what actually happened. It seems like there is some corruption here in every situation. Either TPD, or the SAO, or both.
TexansSeminole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2013   #53
Stemp
Brew Master
 
Stemp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Temple, TX
Section: Sec 118 Row H
Age: 37
Posts: 7,124
Rep Power: 46692 Stemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

Quote:
Originally Posted by TexansSeminole View Post
So, I'll share what I am hearing through the grapevine. Take it for what it's worth, probably not much.

Apparently the affidavit from both the accuser's roommate and a football player state that they were both present the night of the incident. It apparently happened at her apartment. They both say that the two had an ongoing relationship, in which they have photos taken before and after the incident. Her roommate claims that she was upset with Winston because his real girlfriend was coming into town and he had told the accuser to law low. She called police and then changed her mind but was embarrassed when they got to the scene. According to roommate, she intentionally fabricated description of the accuser so as to not implicate Jameis, because she had changed her mind. In the investigation, she was pressed and eventually admitted, one month later, that it was Jameis that she had originally called police about. She met with Meggs at the State Attorney's office and reaffirmed that she did not want to press charges. TPD and State Attorney's office were investigating and now are trying to figure out how to clear Winston without humiliating the accuser. Winston informed Jimbo Fisher in December of everything.

Again, rumors that I am hearing. Who knows if it is true or not. Could be completely false. Just passing along what I am hearing.

I have a hard time believing that if they "closed" the investigation in feb yet the victim was pushing to get the blood work results till April.

Besides that, there are photos of injuries she sustained. I doubt he will get away with blowing it off as "rough sex"
Stemp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2013   #54
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
 
TexansSeminole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Orlando, FL
Age: 27
Posts: 8,559
Rep Power: 67501 TexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemp View Post
I have a hard time believing that if they "closed" the investigation in feb yet the victim was pushing to get the blood work results till April.

Besides that, there are photos of injuries she sustained. I doubt he will get away with blowing it off as "rough sex"
I haven't seen any photos. Do you have a link to that?

If the above is true, she is clearly being opportunistic. If above is true, wouldn't believe anything her family's statement is saying.

We shall see what the truth is in time. Simply passing along things I have heard with disclaimers that they are rumors.

This is the email that I got from trusted source:

Quote:
Rumor from Tally is... that JWs story has ALWAYS been it that it was consensual. That one of the affidavits is from the accuser’s roommate and the other is from another football player, both of whom were present (happened at HER apartment, not a bar, not a party, not JWs place). That both confirm that they had an ongoing relationship. That there are photos of the two of them together taken before AND after the initial allegation. That roommate claims she was pissed at JW for some reason that night and decided to claim rape. (perhaps because he told her his real GF was coming in town that day and to lay low). That she changed her mind after the call but before the cops got there but didn’t want to tell them she made it up. (thus the “unidentified” rapist…intentionally fabricated description) That when she later was pressed, she identified JW and was questioned about her inconsistent statements and evidence of a consensual relationship and realized she better drop it. That when the accuser met with Meggs on Tuesday, she reaffirmed that she did not want to press charges. That every bit of evidence collected points to consensual sex and there is no way charges will be brought. That TPD and SAO are only trying to figure out how to clear JW without exposing/humiliating the accuser. Also, that JW informed Jimbo about it in DECEMBER of last year after he heard of the call to the cops and told him EVERYTHING (thus JF’s continued faith in JW). Assuming any of this is correct (not that there is any proof of any of it) JW, JF and Jansens confidence is not surprising. Based on what we know now, if there are no charges by Friday, and if JW is suited up on Saturday, you can bet that there will not be any. And whoever is responsible for leaking this is certainly going to get “raked over the coals”. TIFWIW, but the sources are pretty close to the situation
Again, it's a rumor.
TexansSeminole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2013   #55
Stemp
Brew Master
 
Stemp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Temple, TX
Section: Sec 118 Row H
Age: 37
Posts: 7,124
Rep Power: 46692 Stemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

Quote:
Originally Posted by TexansSeminole View Post
I haven't seen any photos. Do you have a link to that?
The police and the state attorneys have them since the police took them that night and put them in the report. It's been reported numerous times. And they aren't going releasing the photos of her or her injuries to the public unless they want to make this an ever bigger CF. Yeesh.

Here's a link to a pretty good summation and timeline of what has happened. Includes an update saying the victim or her attorney never told the police she didn't want to press charges, but that she gave up because it was obvious the police weren't going to investigate the matter.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/joelanderson...-assault-inves
Stemp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2013   #56
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
 
TexansSeminole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Orlando, FL
Age: 27
Posts: 8,559
Rep Power: 67501 TexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemp View Post
The police and the state attorneys have them since the police took them that night and put them in the report. It's been reported numerous times. And they aren't going releasing the photos of her or her injuries to the public unless they want to make this an ever bigger CF. Yeesh.

Here's a link to a pretty good summation and timeline of what has happened. Includes an update saying the victim or her attorney never told the police she didn't want to press charges, but that she gave up because it was obvious the police weren't going to investigate the matter.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/joelanderson...-assault-inves
Quote:
Police collected evidence and took photos of the victim's injuries.
This statement is a summary of what comes from the police report in which it says, "photos/videos taken? Yes - digital."

Anything a bit more specific on the injuries? I also didn't mean a link to the actual photos, I didn't word that properly. I know they aren't going to release photos. I meant info about the photos of injuries.

We'll find out the truth by end of next week at the latest.
TexansSeminole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2013   #57
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
 
htownfan32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: College Station, TX
Posts: 4,136
Rep Power: 123160 htownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

If there are charges laid, does FSU have a policy for automatic suspension?
htownfan32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2013   #58
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
 
TexansSeminole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Orlando, FL
Age: 27
Posts: 8,559
Rep Power: 67501 TexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

Quote:
Originally Posted by htownfan32 View Post
If there are charges laid, does FSU have a policy for automatic suspension?
If he's charged, he'll be suspended.
TexansSeminole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2013   #59
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
 
htownfan32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: College Station, TX
Posts: 4,136
Rep Power: 123160 htownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

Quote:
Originally Posted by TexansSeminole View Post
If he's charged, he'll be suspended.
Wow. That could shake a lot of stuff up.

Btw I also heard over the internet what you posted earlier (disgruntled girl because she finds out she's the "other woman"). Whatever the case may be, I hope they get to the bottom of it soon.
htownfan32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2013   #60
GlassHalfFull 
Subscribed Contributor
 
GlassHalfFull's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Section 353
Posts: 7,178
Rep Power: 54609 GlassHalfFull is a quality contributor and well respectedGlassHalfFull is a quality contributor and well respectedGlassHalfFull is a quality contributor and well respectedGlassHalfFull is a quality contributor and well respectedGlassHalfFull is a quality contributor and well respectedGlassHalfFull is a quality contributor and well respectedGlassHalfFull is a quality contributor and well respectedGlassHalfFull is a quality contributor and well respectedGlassHalfFull is a quality contributor and well respectedGlassHalfFull is a quality contributor and well respectedGlassHalfFull is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

Jameis Winston Isn't The Only Problem Here: An FSU Teacher's Lament


Quote:
We love the game. We love the players, too, even when they scare us.

Like the blue-chip defensive secondary leader who wrote his personal essay for an openly gay professor on the time in high school he gleefully commanded a posse to bash a girly fag near to death, caved the queer's face, and ruined his smile.

Or the hulking offensive star who brought a friend to help him corner a short, pretty instructor alone in her closet office and scare her within an inch of her life for telling the athletic department he was clowning in class...
More at the link. I wonder how widespread this is in college football.
__________________
GlassHalfFull is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > Football Talk > College Football & the 2014 NFL Draft
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:49 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger