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Old 11-20-2013   #21
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Why would they like keenums tape enough to pass a qb? There is no way a new coach and gm is gonna pass their qb for an undrafted free agent. I think even if rick stays and he hires a guy, he's gonna want his guy period.
What if the new guy doesn't like this yrs QB class and thinks Keenum has as much potential as any QB in this class? But the new guy thinks the 2015 class has much more potential. Would the new guy take a QB anyway?

If Jay Gruden for example took over, his brother liked Keenum alot do you think Jay would talk to Jon and give Keenum an extended look?
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What if the new guy doesn't like this yrs QB class and thinks Keenum has as much potential as any QB in this class? But the new guy thinks the 2015 class has much more potential. Would the new guy take a QB anyway?

If Jay Gruden for example took over, his brother liked Keenum alot do you think Jay would talk to Jon and give Keenum an extended look?
It's certainly possible, but given how the NFL has been I'd bet against it. Just look at every new head coach within the past five or so years. They almost always draft a quarterback in the first round of their first year there. Coaches like to hand pick "their guy."
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What if the new guy doesn't like this yrs QB class and thinks Keenum has as much potential as any QB in this class? But the new guy thinks the 2015 class has much more potential. Would the new guy take a QB anyway?

If Jay Gruden for example took over, his brother liked Keenum alot do you think Jay would talk to Jon and give Keenum an extended look?
That's because, seemingly without fail, you and your guy are tied together and succeed or go down together. Look no further than Schaub/Kubiak.

A new Coach/GM gets a 3 year window to succeed and most choose to go down with their own guy than someone they inherited.
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That's because, seemingly without fail, you and your guy are tied together and succeed or go down together. Look no further than Schaub/Kubiak.

A new Coach/GM gets a 3 year window to succeed and most choose to go down with their own guy than someone they inherited.
How many yrs did Gary get?

8 and counting?
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What if the new guy doesn't like this yrs QB class and thinks Keenum has as much potential as any QB in this class? But the new guy thinks the 2015 class has much more potential. Would the new guy take a QB anyway?

If Jay Gruden for example took over, his brother liked Keenum alot do you think Jay would talk to Jon and give Keenum an extended look?

You remember last year when everyone said this yr is not a good qb class,let's. Wait till 2014? Now you and others are saying 2015 is the class of qbs to wait on. You can talk your way out of a qb,but if you evaluate properly, you see elite skilled qbs in this draft. You don't wanna waste your honeymoon like kubiak did. Case can compete for the spot and in the case of a guy potentially like hundley,he might need 6 games like mcnabb. Guys like mariotta,boyd,murray,and manziel are starting from day 1. I'm not passing those guys,especially hundley,marriotta,and maybe even boyd at the top of the 1st rd for case keenum who can't play well vs oakland at home.
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How many yrs did Gary get?

8 and counting?
My bad. I was talking about organizations that actually attempt to hold people accountable. The Texans are obviously not one of those.
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My bad. I was talking about organizations that actually attempt to hold people accountable. The Texans are obviously not one of those.
Sad but true
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You remember last year when everyone said this yr is not a good qb class,let's. Wait till 2014? Now you and others are saying 2015 is the class of qbs to wait on. You can talk your way out of a qb,but if you evaluate properly, you see elite skilled qbs in this draft. You don't wanna waste your honeymoon like kubiak did. Case can compete for the spot and in the case of a guy potentially like hundley,he might need 6 games like mcnabb. Guys like mariotta,boyd,murray,and manziel are starting from day 1. I'm not passing those guys,especially hundley,marriotta,and maybe even boyd at the top of the 1st rd for case keenum who can't play well vs oakland at home.
Nope, I'm the guy who would already have my QB of the future. (Tyler Bray) He has all of the ability in the world but Dooley tried to ruin his career. Luckily for Bray Andy Reid gave him a chance as a UDFA and he not only made the team, he outplayed Danel this preseason and put himself in a position to play if Smith gets hurt and Daniel plays badly at all. There was talk of Bray beating out Daniel for the QB2 position this preseason in KC. So I didn't even mention the 2014 QB class.

I agee with you about the honeymoon period but I didn't say what I think a new HC would do at QB. I said what I would do. All of the QB's you named have just as many warts as Case has and just as much of a % to be a bust. I mean do you think Mariotta/Boyd/Murray/Manziel are going to have issues with the speed of the game/picking up blitzes after 4 games as a starter.

Sure they will, Look I'm not a Case fanboy and see the areas that he needs to improve. But he has talent and since I'm not a fan of this yrs QB class all I'm saying is I would pass and draft a QB in 2015 if Case isn't the guy.

This offense is broken, from the conservative playcalling to trying to mask a terrible OL to QB play, to dropped passes and poorly run routes by the TE's/Wr"s it is what it is. The offense is scoing more points with Keenum playing QB than it was with Schaub. So Keenum cant be doing that bad, could a big part of the problem be Gary's lack of 3rd qtr adjustments.

If I was forced to pick a QB in this draft then I would drop Jones as my 2nd rd pick and take McCarron there. Switch to a 4-3 and pray Cushing doesn't get hurt again. BTW, I do agree with you the new HC will probably pick a QB in rd1-2.
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I think I'm the only person here that isn't a big believer in Christian Jones. Not a very sound tackler and bites on the run too much in PA. I feel like this is a pretty weak class at ILB and there is better value taking Borland in the third.
Someone refute me here with evidence of sound tackling from Jones. I still think he's a JAG at best.
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Someone refute me here with evidence of sound tackling from Jones. I still think he's a JAG at best.
I watched Jones play in 3 games this yr. Miami/Fla, Maryland,Clemson.

Jones appeared to be a very versatile LB, that played inside, outside and was a very good coverage guy and althought he didn't rush the passer alot he appeared to have the instincts/speed that it takes to improve that part of his game.

Jones is a leader on the defense, he's not a big hitter but he seems to be in the right spot and usually brings down whoever has the ball.

The only reason Jones might be available in the 2nd rd is that he's a little undersized to play MLB. But I will take speed and instincts over size every day. (See, Derrick Brooks/Zack Thomas/Sam Mills etc...)
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I watched Jones play in 3 games this yr. Miami/Fla, Maryland,Clemson.

Jones appeared to be a very versatile LB, that played inside, outside and was a very good coverage guy and althought he didn't rush the passer alot he appeared to have the instincts/speed that it takes to improve that part of his game.

Jones is a leader on the defense, he's not a big hitter but he seems to be in the right spot and usually brings down whoever has the ball.

The only reason Jones might be available in the 2nd rd is that he's a little undersized to play MLB. But I will take speed and instincts over size every day. (See, Derrick Brooks/Zack Thomas/Sam Mills etc...)
He's great in coverage, but a below average tackler. He's an oversized finesse safety. Please don't compare him to Zach Thomas, Thomas absolutely brought the wood. No bend to finish plays, too upright. IMHO I don't see him being much at the NFL level.

This is coming from a guy who was absolutely in love with Vontaze Burfict in the sixth in 2012 as the best LB next to Keuchly by a long shot. I don't get the hype for this kid at the NFL level.
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He's great in coverage, but a below average tackler. He's an oversized finesse safety. Please don't compare him to Zach Thomas, Thomas absolutely brought the wood. No bend to finish plays, too upright. IMHO I don't see him being much at the NFL level.

This is coming from a guy who was absolutely in love with Vontaze Burfict in the sixth in 2012 as the best LB next to Keuchly by a long shot. I don't get the hype for this kid at the NFL level.
Didn't mean to compare Jones to Thomas. Thomas was a hitter who played downhill. Jones is more of coverage LB who tackles well but doen't bring the wood.

You're obviously very good at evaluating LB talent. Who do you like in rds 2-5. Sleepers?
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Didn't mean to compare Jones to Thomas. Thomas was a hitter who played downhill. Jones is more of coverage LB who tackles well but doen't bring the wood.

You're obviously very good at evaluating LB talent. Who do you like in rds 2-5. Sleepers?
I don't really have a great feeling on any sleeper ILB's this draft at any round. Greg Blair from Cincy would be my first pick in the 4-5 range. After that I guess an UDFA to pickup on would be Caleb Lavey from Okie state.
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You remember last year when everyone said this yr is not a good qb class,let's. Wait till 2014? Now you and others are saying 2015 is the class of qbs to wait on. You can talk your way out of a qb,but if you evaluate properly, you see elite skilled qbs in this draft. You don't wanna waste your honeymoon like kubiak did. Case can compete for the spot and in the case of a guy potentially like hundley,he might need 6 games like mcnabb. Guys like mariotta,boyd,murray,and manziel are starting from day 1. I'm not passing those guys,especially hundley,marriotta,and maybe even boyd at the top of the 1st rd for case keenum who can't play well vs oakland at home.
Not making excuses are you? facing reality are you? excellent analysis and logical thinking. If you miss in 2015 you've ensured mediocrity until 2017. The best way to start getting better ASAP is start today instead of waiting for tomorrow.
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Not making excuses are you? facing reality are you? excellent analysis and logical thinking. If you miss in 2015 you've ensured mediocrity until 2017. The best way to start getting better ASAP is start today instead of waiting for tomorrow.
If you believe that there is a truly elite QB in this draft, I dont.

Obviously you think Manziel can be that franchise guy. He may become Fran Tarkenton or he may become Doug Flutie. I think he ends up somewhere in between. (Tony Romo) Good, but not elite.
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Rd.1 Jake Matthews- OT Texas A&M, 6'5 308 5.25, Matthews is an impact 10 yr starter, great runblocker who has the feet to be a dominate pass blocker too. High football IQ, great bloodlines.

Rd.2 Christin Jones- ILB-OLB, Fla St. 6'2 232 4.64, Jones is a fast tough instinctive LB that can play anywhere in the LB corps. He's a playmaker, something the Texans are sorely lacking. I've got the feeling he can be a pass rusher in the Dumerville role or if the new DC decides to play a 4-3 defense (Something I recommend) he would be a great WLB.

3.Ryan Carrethers- DT Arkansas St. 6'3 328 5.26, Former Wrestler with great quickness. I college he is as dominant as Wilfork is in the NFL. The only reason he falls this far is becuse he plays at a small school. This guy will become dominant in a couple of yrs. This is the guy to help shore up the run defense and keep OL off of cushing.

4. Deion Belue- CB Alabama, 5'11 183 4.48, Top cover guy, good instincts, solid tackler, although he's small was a top S recruit coming out of HS. Major upgrade over McCain. I would trade up if I had to and pick Belue in the bottom of the 3rd.

5. Jon Halapio- OG Florida 6'3 320 5.28, Halapio is a big strong tough guy who the Gators run behind when they need to run the football. Has started 33 games, while he isn't overly athletic Halapio is a football player. He reminds me of a bigger Briesel

5. DeAndre Coleman- DT California, 6'5 315 5.12, Coleman is a big athletic guy who plays on a crappy defense, but I like the fact that he never gives up despite his team gets blown out regularly. He has a chance to be a much better pro than college player. More help in transforming to ais 4-3.

6. Tyler Gaffney- RB Stanford 6'0 226 Stanford, 6'0 226 4.56, Tough, durable, workhorse RB, is always strongest in the 4th qtr. Great feel for the run game, good pass blocker, can catch the ball out of the backfield. Pro ready, Former pro baseball player.

7. Nehemiah Hicks- TE Texas A&M 6'4 255 4.68, Big target, good hands, good blocker. He has been unde used in the pass game but has made his presence felt in the un game. He has potential to be the blocking TE that this team has been missing. He need to get even stronger/bigger but the potential is their.
I am not sold on Christian Jones and prefer Smallwood but in my soon to be new post with a trade I go in a different LB direction than I have. Also, there is something that whispers no when I watch Belue. Not sure what it is as he has skills and size but I vote no. I am pretty sure Beerlover and I started mentioning Carrethers on board but I think he will be there where we draft in 4th around #111. I do agree if we are going with Keenum we should build the Oline.
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I am not sold on Christian Jones and prefer Smallwood but in my soon to be new post with a trade I go in a different LB direction than I have. Also, there is something that whispers no when I watch Belue. Not sure what it is as he has skills and size but I vote no. I am pretty sure Beerlover and I started mentioning Carrethers on board but I think he will be there where we draft in 4th around #111. I do agree if we are going with Keenum we should build the Oline.
Jones has versatility, I like Van Noy more than Jones for the same reason. Thanks for letting me know about Carruthers. I like him alot, for this reason I would pick him in the 3rd. This way you make sure you get the guy you like. I've got a feeling after the combine Carrethers will be drafted in the 3rd rd. Tell me what you dont like about Belue. He appears to be a good cover guy who is a solid tackler. A massive upgrade over McCain and a great value in the 4th rd. In fact I would trade up into the late 3rd to get him.
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If you believe that there is a truly elite QB in this draft, I dont.

Obviously you think Manziel can be that franchise guy. He may become Fran Tarkenton or he may become Doug Flutie. I think he ends up somewhere in between. Tony Romo
That and I have watched so many sure future franchise QBs as Sophs & Jrs. crash and burn as Srs. AKA Lienart, Barkely, Sanchez, Thomas, Manuel, Smith, Locker, Clausen, Gabbert etc etc. As for Manziel he clearly stands head and shoulders above any other 2013 draft eligible QB. He's done things no other QBs before have done. Yes I put JF in the Vick, RGIII, Wilson, Kaepernick class and I expect him to be better than Vick, Wilson and Kaepernick and as good as RGIII.

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Jones has versatility, I like Van Noy more than Jones for the same reason. Thanks for letting me know about Carruthers. I like him alot, for this reason I would pick him in the 3rd. This way you make sure you get the guy you like. I've got a feeling after the combine Carrethers will be drafted in the 3rd rd. Tell me what you dont like about Belue. He appears to be a good cover guy who is a solid tackler. A massive upgrade over McCain and a great value in the 4th rd. In fact I would trade up into the late 3rd to get him.
I watched him in the last game against Miss State very closely & he seemed to be out of position some and once WR blew past him. It is more a gut feeling that I cannot explain. He is upgrade but I am very concerned & think we can replace McCain later round. I'm suggesting you not going on what you read about Belue but watch and see if I am right.

Jones does have versatility but no more than Smallwood and I've tried to work him in as OLB & still draft ILB but just can't make it work. I don't hate the pick jus tlike another player lower.
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I watched him in the last game against Miss State very closely & he seemed to be out of position some and once WR blew past him. It is more a gut feeling that I cannot explain. He is upgrade but I am very concerned & think we can replace McCain later round. I'm suggesting you not going on what you read about Belue but watch and see if I am right.

Jones does have versatility but no more than Smallwood and I've tried to work him in as OLB & still draft ILB but just can't make it work. I don't hate the pick jus tlike another player lower.
Greg Blair from Cincy is the same player as Jones with more upside and can be had cheaper.
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