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Old 11-14-2013   #21
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No for two reasons. One in this specific instance I disagreed with the team but I don't think it was a huge gaff - they had to make a judgment call and there were reasons for the way they went. Two, as a general matter I was commenting on some fans - nobody in particular which is why I did not quote anyone.

Since everyone is doing it, my position:



Many folks were assuming DeMeco would not get better and CnD, no offense, wasn't supporting any confidence calling the chance of improvement a miraculous exception:









Yes DB the Texans are sucking at 2-7. As I have said on other subjects and as was the intent on this one - that doesn't mean they f'd up everything they touched. If you were OK with the decision then, you should be OK with it now.
I'm just saying. That was a kinda strong rant just out of nowhere.

I honestly haven't seen people flip flopping on the issue, but obviously you have. But my main point was that the fans don't control anything. We just pay our money, come here and vent and run our mouths...

Yet you're ranting against other fans instead of the team making the gaffes. Ok, so someone may have liked the move, and is ripping the team now. Maybe someone is wrong about everything.

But other than being on the payroll I can't figure out why keeping other fans in check is rant worthy while sticking up for every questionable aspect if the team.
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So Wade can't make Demeco or Ed Reed fit into his defense......

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Sure is a whole lot of hindsight to bash everything about the Texans going on around here.
No hindsight needed. Hated the trade then, hate it now. Of all the players the Texans have let go, Ryans is the hardest hit to absorb, IMO. The guy was the kind of MLB that can anchor a defense for a decade and his instincts and ability to diagnose plays were better than any other Texan before or since, with the exception of Watt. As I've said many times, if you hit on players int he draft, you have to keep them. And I didn't care then and do not care now about the ridiculous salary cap arguments. They spend stupid money all the time. Ryans was smart money.
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All the talk of Ryans not being a good fit for a 3-4, at least not as good as he is in a 4-3, convinced me back when; but, I'm not really surprised to be wrong in the end. Demeco is just a high effort, high quality player and it's a shame we didn't keep him. I guess it really was just that he wasn't 100% healthy yet at the time.

Smithiak thinking: Hey! Maybe we can get Ryans back for Watt!
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I guess it really was just that he wasn't 100% healthy yet at the time.
I really don't even think it was that, because he was playing pretty well by the time they traded him. He was recovering nicely. I think it really boiled down to them wanting to stop giving him money so they could give money to someone else, who most likely wasn't as good. Or maybe they thought they could more easily replace him than the players they spent on, but obviously that didn't pan out. Cushing is very good when he's healthy, but he would be better next to Demeco instead of trying to play Demeco's spot.
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I still don't have a problem with this move. Demeco wasn't playing much and for the money he was making I don't think you could justify keeping him.

And I think the LB's next to Cushing would be ok if Cushing was actually playing. Of course if I had known Cushing would be hurt in back to back seasons I might have changed my mind.

But I didn't have a problem with the trade then and still don't now really. This was a bad defense with demeco on it, save for wades first year. He hadn't played up to his rookie level in any season after it IMO. But he looked real good next to Cushing under wade.

I think this defense misses Mario more than demeco.
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The Texans went 2-14 in 2005 and were fortunate to draft guys like Mario Williams first overall and DeMeco Ryans first overall in round two in the 2006 NFL Draft. I was sad to see both players go but we may soon be in a similar position entering the 2014 NFL Draft. It's time to look ahead and focus on adding a couple of new franchise players. We need to refuel our talent level especially on defense. J.J. Watt can't do it all by himself. We need two, three, four, maybe five All Pros around him.
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Maybe direct some if that ranting towards the actual organization that makes these decisions instead of other fans.

Seems like you're more ticked at the fans commenting on the moves the organization makes than the actual ****ty moves being made.
There's a guy here who claims the organization's penchant for pushing cap money out into the future is the reason for the state of this team right now. I've argued that is not the case, since we don't have any dead money against the 2013 cap for players no longer here. (s)He said it started mid December of the 2012 season & for the life of me I can't figure out how a mismanaging the future cap hurt the team mid-December.

But.... things like this, the Quin/Reed thing, the James Casey thing, Demeco.... those things hurt us. We didn't even make an offer to Quin (or Mario) & he signed a less expensive deal than Reed. Don't get me wrong, I liked the Reed deal when it happened, but I admit it was probably more of an emotionally irrational decision than a smart move.

Other things, like the money we paid Kevin Walter, Jacoby Jones, Wade Smith..... those guys underperformed those contracts & still had a position here. Wade damn near lost his position to a rookie 6th rounder from San Jose state.

That type of cap mismanagement hurt us.

Then every year it seems like we're hoping a handful of players come back from injury & play as well as they ever did. Demeco was one. He was returning to form, but instead of renegotiating his contract, he was straight up traded?? Newton is another. We're not paying him a lot of money, but the position he plays is too important not to have done something better than what we did. If they didn't think Ryan Harris could play better than a gimpy Newton, why is he here?

We should probably clean house of the medical staff & that really should have started years ago.
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DeMeco was the odd man out when Wade Phillips arrived on the scene because Wades D scheme called for just one full-time ILB and as good as Demeco was in that full-time role Cushing was better. And since DeMeco had received a fat, new contract just the year before Wades arrival, it just wasn't feasible
cap wise to keep such an expensive part-time LB on the roster. Texans made the right decision back then, and it is still the right decision today.
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I'd have liked to have heard that the Texans offered to renegotiate Ryans' contract. Didn't have to be a pay-cut, just a restructure. If he said no, then it's on him.

Of course it wouldn't hurt so bad had we got a promising ILB at some time since. Waiting on Sharpton to turn into that guy adds insult to inury (pun intended).

Two years in a row we've lost Cushing for a big part of the season. Would have been nice to have a healthy Demeco to fill in.
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I agree, man. But having been through these kind of sucktastic seasons, we know the level of bitching is going to reach Biblical proportions. Unfortunately, some of the more logical and constructive analysis gets lost in the white noise of massive complaining.
What's bad, is no matter what happens from here on out, it's for naught. We're going to have folks btch & moan because our draft status is going to get worse.

I'm looking forward to Sunday's game (though I'll probably have to work) because I want to watch these guys go out & play... and win. If we win the next 7, I'll be thrilled. No parade. No absolution for anyone. But I like it when we win. Makes me feel good.
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I think this defense misses Mario more than demeco.
In the sense that Cushing is a better replacement for Demeco than Mercilus/Barwin is for Mario... yeah.
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Better MLB than Cushing, IMO. He was under-appreciated when he was here.
No he wasn`t. I actually think there wasn`t one poster on here that didn`t like him. When he was traded it was becuase of Cushings DPOY worthy play and salary cap reasons - not because of his play. Sure it regressed a little back then, but he was still an impact player.

I am glad he is doing well in Philly and wish him only the best. Probably my favorite ex Texans player out there.
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The first thing I said when the Eagles got Ryans was this trade was made for locker room leadership that was badly needed since Dawkins left. You can see that taking effect this year. Ryans is adjusting the sets, Davis the DC calls him his coach on the field. You can see the young ones respect him. Even players like McCoy and Jackson talk with him on the field. This goes all the way down the line to the kicker and special teams guys and from what I hear to the one who don't dress for the game.

There are not many of these type guys in the league. You find a place for them and keep them no matter the cost.

As a life long Eagle fan I can not thank you enough of sending him here.
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As a life long Eagle fan I can not thank you enough of sending him here.
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Yes DB the Texans are sucking at 2-7. As I have said on other subjects and as was the intent on this one - that doesn't mean they f'd up everything they touched. If you were OK with the decision then, you should be OK with it now.
Man you need to chill out of late, I'm not sure why but all your posts of late are just over the top and seem very angry. Maybe we need to give you a fistfull of dollar bills and send you to the clubs with Bill..
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