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Old 11-20-2013   #261
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The "grumpy people" are his millionaire players who've lost 8 in a row.

Fans took unbrage with these whiny players who got butt-hurt when we booed a poor coaching decision and acted as if the fans had anything to do with their dismal performance.
So is that why people are mad? Because they get paid millions and guys like me and you get 60k?

Fans can boo that's a given, but Tate only spoke the truth! So then he should have just said 'yeah it was great the fans boo'd us into a false start the last play of the game, we live that and we love our fans'. <wink> with a sparkle in his smile. I appreciate his candor.
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The "grumpy people" are his millionaire players who've lost 8 in a row.

Fans took unbrage with these whiny players who got butt-hurt when we booed a poor coaching decision and acted as if the fans had anything to do with their dismal performance.
yep. And I'd bet the Head Grump in Charge is the grumpiest of all seeing an on-going 8 game losing streak and thousands of his loyal paying customers expressing dissatisfaction at his coach's dysfunctional decision making process.

Putting Schaub out there was merely re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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In 2005, I was booing in the stands and cared more about organizational change than about the texans winning.
Do you think it might stand to reason that the boos might mean that the fans at Reliant saw enough at that point and wanted organizational change as well?
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Your argument that you pay to have a competent team is bogus too. You pay for the entertainment aspect, if you feel you aren't getting your moneys worth then stop attending and watching simple as that.
I will stop watching and have turned games off and sold my season tickets. What does that have to do with fans at the game booing? They are showing displeasure with the product they have paid for.


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So you're here to protect them? poor Tate and OD. Uncle Rico is gonna protect you guys.

Please. You wanna talk about bogus.

And why is it ok for Tate and OD to show "normal human emotions", but not the fans?
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So is that why people are mad? Because they get paid millions and guys like me and you get 60k?

Fans can boo that's a given, but Tate only spoke the truth! So then he should have just said 'yeah it was great the fans boo'd us into a false start the last play of the game, we live that and we love our fans'. <wink> with a sparkle in his smile. I appreciate his candor.
How about, "I understand why the fans booed..they have the right to do that....but at the same time it makes it harder on us on offense"

That's a better statement IMO. But Tate doesn't understand why the fans booed. He doesn't get it and he admitted as much on the radio yesterday morning.
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So is that why people are mad? Because they get paid millions and guys like me and you get 60k?

Fans can boo that's a given, but Tate only spoke the truth! So then he should have just said 'yeah it was great the fans boo'd us into a false start the last play of the game, we live that and we love our fans'. <wink> with a sparkle in his smile. I appreciate his candor.
No he should have said 'yeah it was great the fans boo'd us into a false start the last play of the game because our lousy QB threw the ball short of the goal line AGAIN then on his second chance to win the game on the very last play he threw the ball into triple coverage AGAIN, we love that and we love our fans and our lousy Schaub'. <wink> with a sparkle in his smile. I appreciate his candor
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So is that why people are mad? Because they get paid millions and guys like me and you get 60k?

Fans can boo that's a given, but Tate only spoke the truth! So then he should have just said 'yeah it was great the fans boo'd us into a false start the last play of the game, we live that and we love our fans'. <wink> with a sparkle in his smile. I appreciate his candor.
As Tate grows up, he'll likely learn that being right isn't always right. Fans aren't mad that he gets paid bank. The bank reference is a reality check that as a "Paid Entertainer/Performer" there's going to be some criticism when you stink up the joint. Although, some nut huggers, like yourself will find it intolerable, the TRUTH is it's inevitable that poor performance will warrant criticism.

I wouldn't want to speculate as to what has fans "mad" as you put it. For me I take no offense by his comment. But objectively, I see his comment, while true, having little bearing on the root of his frustration and certainly not a vessel in which to right the ship. To stand on a soap box and whine about how booing fans suck, truth or fiction, when you are 2-8 is petty and can only bring on further backlash.
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I will stop watching and have turned games off and sold my season tickets. What does that have to do with fans at the game booing? They are showing displeasure with the product they have paid for.





So you're here to protect them? poor Tate and OD. Uncle Rico is gonna protect you guys.

Please. You wanna talk about bogus.

And why is it ok for Tate and OD to show "normal human emotions", but not the fans?
Just because people buy tix and merch it doesnt give them a right to act like jerks. I'm not going to affect my way of life over a game, that's what I'm saying. If players are subject to criticism then why can't the fans? Oh that's right they are immune and can do no wrong.
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No he should have said 'yeah it was great the fans boo'd us into a false start the last play of the game because our lousy QB threw the ball short of the goal line AGAIN then on his second chance to win the game on the very last play he threw the ball into triple coverage AGAIN, we love that and we love our fans and our lousy Schaub'. <wink> with a sparkle in his smile. I appreciate his candor
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As Tate grows up, he'll likely learn that being right isn't always right. Fans aren't mad that he gets paid bank. The bank reference is a reality check that as a "Paid Entertainer/Performer" there's going to be some criticism when you stink up the joint. Although, some nut huggers, like yourself will find it intolerable, the TRUTH is it's inevitable that poor performance will warrant criticism.

I wouldn't want to speculate as to what has fans "mad" as you put it. For me I take no offense by his comment. But objectively, I see his comment, while true, having little bearing on the root of his frustration and certainly not a vessel in which to right the ship. To stand on a soap box and whine about how booing fans suck, truth or fiction, when you are 2-8 is petty and can only bring on further backlash.
So well versed and yet you need to name call to make a point? Run along child recess is almost over, come back when you learn how to have an adult conversation.
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So well versed and yet you need to name call to make a point? Run along child recess is almost over, come back when you learn how to have an adult conversation.
If you are suggesting you are NOT a nut-hugger, then I apologize for confusing you as such. Apparently perception overshadowed reality.

The day a $hit Disturber calls me out as being child-like... lol

Go on back to your stirring...
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Just because people buy tix and merch it doesnt give them a right to act like jerks. I'm not going to affect my way of life over a game, that's what I'm saying. If players are subject to criticism then why can't the fans? Oh that's right they are immune and can do no wrong.
Just in case you didn't know, part of the noise was people cheering as well. OD didn't feel like people should have been cheering when Schaub came in either.

And you're smart enough to figure out the difference between fabs criticizing players and players criticizing fans. Let's be real here.

No player is going to be fine with any form of criticism.

I don't even care about Tate and OD really. I even get how they feel. But the one thing that is slightly annoying in a message board kind of way, is fans who attack other fans for venting frustrations of a 2-8 team that has botched so many things.
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So well versed and yet you need to name call to make a point? Run along child recess is almost over, come back when you learn how to have an adult conversation.
so tate can run his mouth but the fans cant yell or boo at the players? looks like someone spiked your
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so tate can run his mouth but the fans cant yell or boo at the players? looks like someone spiked your
They can boo them all they want, just not when the offense is in the middle of conducting a play because that's dumb and no other team's fans do that.


But again, I'm not shocked that people here don't understand that.
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They can boo them all they want, just not when the offense is in the middle of conducting a play because that's dumb and no other team's fans do that.


But again, I'm not shocked that people here don't understand that.
I call BS, lots of other teams fans would boo that crappy move if placed in the same situation.
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Just in case you didn't know, part of the noise was people cheering as well. OD didn't feel like people should have been cheering when Schaub came in either.

And you're smart enough to figure out the difference between fabs criticizing players and players criticizing fans. Let's be real here.

No player is going to be fine with any form of criticism.

I don't even care about Tate and OD really. I even get how they feel. But the one thing that is slightly annoying in a message board kind of way, is fans who attack other fans for venting frustrations of a 2-8 team that has botched so many things.
Respect. You're entitled to your opinions. I wasn't trying to demean or degrade anybody I just felt this surge of negativity and felt it needed balancThis season has been a huge dissapointment for all parties involved and I'm pretty sure as the fans have reached their breaking point so have the players I mean look at what happened at the end of the game. It sucks, royally but as a fanbase there are times and places to pick your battles and the last few plays of a winnable game we should help our boys out, if the object is to win regardless of who's out there.
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They can boo them all they want, just not when the offense is in the middle of conducting a play because that's dumb and no other team's fans do that.


But again, I'm not shocked that people here don't understand that.
No other team's fans boo their offense???? Lmmfao!!!! Awesome.
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They can boo them all they want, just not when the offense is in the middle of conducting a play because that's dumb and no other team's fans do that.


But again, I'm not shocked that people here don't understand that.
It's really not that uncommon, this article is about the 2010 season:

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"The boos were really loud, which is always nice," Urlacher said. "The only team in our division that gets booed at home is us. ... It's unbelievable to me."

I'm not sure if he is right about the Bears being the only team getting booed in the NFC North, as I'm pretty sure I have heard some booing from fans in Detroit and Minnesota directed toward their teams in the past.

But I do think Urlacher has a point in criticizing fans about booing their home team. It seems to be getting a little out of hand.

Yes, fans pay good money to watch their team play and have every right to boo if they want to. But when you put all your energy into booing the team you supposedly love, what do you have left for the opposing team?

In places such as Philadelphia this season, the booing of the Eagles has seemed to turn the team's home-field advantage into a disadvantage. It's like many fans are so determined to express their frustration with the Eagles that they forget another team is on the field. It's fine to be frustrated, but I think the visitors should be the most-hated team on the field.

At least Eagles fans have a reason to boo their team loudly this season. The team is 4-10 and has looked pretty pathetic in what looks to be Andy Reid's final season in Philadelphia. But throughout much of the past decade, when the Eagles were making deep runs in the playoffs nearly every season, booing Donovan McNabb after every incompletion didn't make much sense.

The home booing trend has gotten so bad that Kansas City Chiefs fans actually cheered as their quarterback Matt Cassel laid on the ground with a head injury during a game earlier this season. The fans' reaction set off a post-game rant from Chiefs tackle Eric Winston, who said in it "we've got a lot of problems as a society if people think that's OK."
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/spor...point_hom.html

People don't want to pay to see their team be complete crap, and the best way for them to voice their displeasure is to boo at the game. The next best way is to not buy tickets or not show up for the game. For some, it is a bit too late for option 2.
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It's really not that uncommon, this article is about the 2010 season:



http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/spor...point_hom.html

People don't want to pay to see their team be complete crap, and the best way for them to voice their displeasure is to boo at the game. The next best way is to not buy tickets or not show up for the game. For some, it is a bit too late for option 2.
That article validates both sides of the argument. Boo all you want that is your prerogative, but at appropriate times. Missed a field goal boo. Didn't convert 3rd down boo. Get run over for an 80 yard TD boo. 4th and 2 from the 4 yard line? Yeahh let's wait til they botch it at least.
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Default Re: Ben Tate Says We're "wishy-washy"

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Originally Posted by Dutchrudder View Post
It's really not that uncommon, this article is about the 2010 season:



http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/spor...point_hom.html

People don't want to pay to see their team be complete crap, and the best way for them to voice their displeasure is to boo at the game. The next best way is to not buy tickets or not show up for the game. For some, it is a bit too late for option 2.
Good article find. I have Googled the subject, as well, and booing has become rather common across the league. Even teams like this year's Broncos and Patriots, both led by future HoF QBs and certain of playoff spots, are getting booed.

Pointing at Houston fans like it is exclusive is either agenda driven or the product of media blinders. In no way is it objective to act like Houston is the only place that it has happened.

As for your last point, I do wonder if their is a direct correlation in the rise of PSLs and booing. Point being that in the past, people would not renew season tickets as sign of disgust for a bad product. However, with PSLs, there is a "investment incentive" that they do not want to lose the initial costs just to buy the seats. So they are stuck buying the season tickets year in / year out, and as a result the only way to show displeasure is to get liquored up and be vocal about it.

I'm not one to boo my own team. That said, I'm not going to get on my high horse and act like I am superior to everyone else.

I understand the disgust of fans.

And I understand the perspective of players.

The ones I just don't get are the fans who have nothing better to do than bag on other fans, especially when they exhibit a superiority complex displayed through lame insults and generalized assumptions. And we got it the first time you wrote it, so writing it again and again in multiple posts serves no purpose than to create a straw man diversion from the big issues with this franchise.
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