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Old 11-19-2013   #101
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I don't agree with LZ's rant. If that's what he thinks, that's what he thinks, but he doesn't need to be putting words into Andre Johnson's mouth. We have no idea what Andre's frustration level is, or who he's frustrated with. All we've got to go by is what he said.

I think it was a bad idea to go back to Matt Schaub, but as soon as it happened, I told my wife, "At least now we'll move the ball." Sorry, but I had no faith in Case Keenum getting us into scoring position. We had 41 total yards of offense in the second half of the Arizona game. Something like that against Indy, & I think 27 against Kansas City. On top of that, Case looked more timid than he had in the previous 3 games. He looked like a rookie taking 10+ yard sacks.

That said, never in a million years would I have put Matt Schaub in the game. Even if Case is injured (twisted ankle, or the wind knocked out of him, or something) Matt would have handed the ball off & we'd have punted. If Keenum is ready to go the next series, Keenum is getting back in the game.

Because if I'm Bob McNair, the only thing that's going to earn Gary Kubiak a reprieve is hope that there's a bright future for the Houston Texans & I've got to believe Gary is part of that. If he found Keenum, if he developed Keenum, if he was grooming him all along to be our starting QB, then I'm not going to lay this debacle at his feet. No one could have predicted Schaub would lose it the way he did, so fast, so completely.

But benching Case tells me finding him was as much a fluke as winning 12 games last season. Kubiak didn't "know" that Case could lead this franchise one day. Kubiak didn't "plan" to replace Schaub in 2014 if we had to. Maybe we had a better chance to win with Matt Schaub, but benching Case tells me Kubiak doesn't think we had a chance at all with Keenum & if that's the case, what do I need him for?

If Case is not the answer, I don't need someone hear to convince me to take a $10M cap hit for Matt Schaub. It's not going to happen. No way, no how. If Case is not the answer, I don't need (or want) Gary Kubiak picking the next QB for the Houston Texans. First he told me (Bob McNair) that he could win with David Carr.... admitted he was wrong. Then he told me he could win with Matt Schaub..... then admitted Schaub needed help from the defensive side of the ball... then tells me he needs more play-makers for Schaub... then Schaub comes unglued & no one can convince me (Bob McNair) Matt can win a Super Bowl.
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I know you're upset that I like Johnny Football. If it makes you feel any better, I think Bob McNair should also interview Jimbo Fisher as a potential head coach. Jimbo reminds me of Jimmy Johnson.
I would not recommend Jimbo Fisher for an NFL coach. He's exactly like Kubiak in that he only has an offensive coordinator by name. He's had some suspect play calling over the years, gets too cute at times. Gets away from the running game if his team isn't killing the opponent about 70% of the time. He's also like Kubiak in that he is a QB guru first and foremost. He's also a screamer ala Nick Saban, and I don't think that works very well in the NFL. He is excellent with staff hires though and is an excellent recruiter. I wouldn't sign off on that hiring, even as a Seminole.
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I don't agree with LZ's rant. If that's what he thinks, that's what he thinks, but he doesn't need to be putting words into Andre Johnson's mouth. We have no idea what Andre's frustration level is, or who he's frustrated with. All we've got to go by is what he said.

I think it was a bad idea to go back to Matt Schaub, but as soon as it happened, I told my wife, "At least now we'll move the ball." Sorry, but I had no faith in Case Keenum getting us into scoring position. We had 41 total yards of offense in the second half of the Arizona game. Something like that against Indy, & I think 27 against Kansas City. On top of that, Case looked more timid than he had in the previous 3 games. He looked like a rookie taking 10+ yard sacks.

That said, never in a million years would I have put Matt Schaub in the game. Even if Case is injured (twisted ankle, or the wind knocked out of him, or something) Matt would have handed the ball off & we'd have punted. If Keenum is ready to go the next series, Keenum is getting back in the game.

Because if I'm Bob McNair, the only thing that's going to earn Gary Kubiak a reprieve is hope that there's a bright future for the Houston Texans & I've got to believe Gary is part of that. If he found Keenum, if he developed Keenum, if he was grooming him all along to be our starting QB, then I'm not going to lay this debacle at his feet. No one could have predicted Schaub would lose it the way he did, so fast, so completely.

But benching Case tells me finding him was as much a fluke as winning 12 games last season. Kubiak didn't "know" that Case could lead this franchise one day. Kubiak didn't "plan" to replace Schaub in 2014 if we had to. Maybe we had a better chance to win with Matt Schaub, but benching Case tells me Kubiak doesn't think we had a chance at all with Keenum & if that's the case, what do I need him for?

If Case is not the answer, I don't need someone hear to convince me to take a $10M cap hit for Matt Schaub. It's not going to happen. No way, no how. If Case is not the answer, I don't need (or want) Gary Kubiak picking the next QB for the Houston Texans. First he told me (Bob McNair) that he could win with David Carr.... admitted he was wrong. Then he told me he could win with Matt Schaub..... then admitted Schaub needed help from the defensive side of the ball... then tells me he needs more play-makers for Schaub... then Schaub comes unglued & no one can convince me (Bob McNair) Matt can win a Super Bowl.

answer this simple question honestly,

before case keenum ever took a snap for the texans, did we not have problems scoring in the 2nd half? Did we not have problems playing through all 4 quarters?
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before case keenum ever took a snap for the texans, did we not have problems scoring in the 2nd half? Did we not have problems playing through all 4 quarters?
Depends which season you are talking about.
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answer this simple question honestly,

before case keenum ever took a snap for the texans, did we not have problems scoring in the 2nd half? Did we not have problems playing through all 4 quarters?

Yes we have 2 second half touchdowns during this losing streak. There was one against the Rams when the score was 38-6. I can't remember if that was before or after Schaub was hurt and there is the short field drive against Arizona. This offense has been a steaming pile of suck in the 2nd half for the past 2 months. Its not on Case its on Kubiak if you ask me.
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if we are picking third taking johnny would be a HUGE gamble

if uhhh Jags and Minny take the two QB;sthen OBVS then best defense player or best Lineman will be on the board for us to take
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before case keenum ever took a snap for the texans, did we not have problems scoring in the 2nd half? Did we not have problems playing through all 4 quarters?
I would not have benched Case.

However, with Case... not only did we have a problem scoring in the second half, we had a problem moving the ball. Against Oakland our offense was moving backwards.

I would not have benched Case.

It's possible our defense could have forced another turnover, within scoring distance. Perhaps they could have scored for us. Maybe we get another Special teams TD.

I would not have benched Case.
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I would not have benched Case.

However, with Case... not only did we have a problem scoring in the second half, we had a problem moving the ball. Against Oakland our offense was moving backwards.

I would not have benched Case.

It's possible our defense could have forced another turnover, within scoring distance. Perhaps they could have scored for us. Maybe we get another Special teams TD.

I would not have benched Case.
My thought is the Texans either lose focus real easy or the other team knows what the Texans are going to do based on the first 15 scripted plays . There's a trend that the league has figured out . I guess the defense is the same way .
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My thought is the Texans either lose focus real easy or the other team knows what the Texans are going to do based on the first 15 scripted plays . There's a trend that the league has figured out . I guess the defense is the same way .
In all honesty, I think they don't realize how bad they are. Inevitably at some point they get complacent, think they're bada5ses, then they get popped in the mouth, run over, & a fat running back runs 80 yards to paydirt.
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I would not have benched Case.

However, with Case... not only did we have a problem scoring in the second half, we had a problem moving the ball. Against Oakland our offense was moving backwards.

I would not have benched Case.

It's possible our defense could have forced another turnover, within scoring distance. Perhaps they could have scored for us. Maybe we get another Special teams TD.

I would not have benched Case.
It's funny that you put that on Case but none of that goes on half time adjustments or the coach you LOVE and want to keep trotting out despite him having the same issues for years and years now. Unreal. You are in some Bob McNair world of denial.
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In all honesty, I think they don't realize how bad they are. Inevitably at some point they get complacent, think they're bada5ses, then they get popped in the mouth, run over, & a fat running back runs 80 yards to paydirt.
Thiis is when they lost their mojo and it hasn't returned .

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It's funny that you put that on Case but non of that goes on half time adjustments or the coach you LOVE and want to keep trotting out despite him having the same issues for years and years now. Unreal. You are in some Bob McNair world of denial.
You're right. My fault. I should have known when Kubiak drew up that 15 yard sack.
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I agree with everything he said.
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It's funny that you put that on Case but non of that goes on half time adjustments or the coach you LOVE and want to keep trotting out despite him having the same issues for years and years now. Unreal. You are in some Bob McNair world of denial.
Why defend case? Nobody is blaming him for anything in his control. He has done a great job, but he is in a difficult position due to inexperience and taking over an offense that is in shambles. Everyone agrees Kubiak is accountable for that. Clearly, in the current environment case is operating in, he is struggling in the second half... Nothing controversial about that statement.
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Why defend case? Nobody is blaming him for anything in his control. He has done a great job, but he is in a difficult position due to inexperience and taking over an offense that is in shambles. Everyone agrees Kubiak is accountable for that. Clearly, in the current environment case is operating in, he is struggling in the second half... Nothing controversial about that statement.
I'm not defending Case. I've never even said I am a fan of the kid. In fact I've barely posted on it at all. My point is that TK has this undying love for Kubiak despite being a coach that hasn't show much for most of his career here. He directs a pretty decent offense but has been too conservative and has been outcoached too many times. His best years, record wise, were after he had a real D-Coordinator that wasn't his friend forced upon him. The main point was TK is trying to say Schaub could get it done the second half vs Case and that the stats in second halves under Case prove this. Yet this team has under performed all year whether its Schaub(Mr. Pick 6 and FG producer extraordinaire) or Case and a big part of that is what adjustments the other teams D is making at half and how Gary counteracts that...which is to say he does nothing special. It's easy to see if you're not McNair or TK.

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You're right. My fault. I should have known when Kubiak drew up that 15 yard sack.
He doesn't draw them up, he puts the players in the position for them to happen by bad adjustments. But you'd never see that with your true love little Gary.
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Nice single stat ya picked out there, coulda gone with #26, #33, etc...
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You didn't give him anything other then some cherry picked stat you felt was good enough to just toss out there without an explanation attached. RG3 has seen a regression for the most part this season. He is going through growing pains and problems from missing pre season. He'll be fine in the long term and will be a great QB. But right now, he's been working through some rough patches
Now you fellas know that "Passing Yards" is the first stat both nfl.com and espn use to rack & stack QBs. If you wanna sort on anything else, you have to do that yourself.

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He doesn't draw them up, he puts the players in the position for them to happen by bad adjustments. But you'd never see that with your true love little Gary.
& the flip side is what?

Let's assume Kubiak put Schaub in the game, because he wants to win. If that is true, then it doesn't make sense that he wouldn't make adjustments, that he was calling the game to make Case look bad.

Let's assume Kubiak was looking for any reason to get Schaub in the game. Why didn't he replace Keenum after the first snap of the Arizona game? Why didn't he replace Case when he threw the interception in Oakland, or the fumble, or one of the 10+ yard sacks? Why did he wait 'til we were down 2 scores in the second half?

If we're all being objective, why does Ben Tate or DeAndre Hopkins get credited with 7 points for the other team when they fumble the ball? Even when the defense had an opportunity to hold the other team to a field goal. But when Case fumbles a ball that is returned for a TD, it's not his fault, it's the RT, or the HC.

I said it was bad enough in our previous games that we did not move the ball in the second half of any game Keenum started. Against Oakland, at home the offense was going backwards.

Problem scoring in the second half, yes. That's a problem Kubiak led teams have had. Not moving the ball? Not so much. David Carr, Sage Rosenfels, Rex Grossman, Matt Lienart, Tj Yates, Dan Orlovsky... all moved the ball between the 20s with regularity when Kubiak is calling plays.
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I would not recommend Jimbo Fisher for an NFL coach. He's exactly like Kubiak in that he only has an offensive coordinator by name. He's had some suspect play calling over the years, gets too cute at times. Gets away from the running game if his team isn't killing the opponent about 70% of the time. He's also like Kubiak in that he is a QB guru first and foremost. He's also a screamer ala Nick Saban, and I don't think that works very well in the NFL. He is excellent with staff hires though and is an excellent recruiter. I wouldn't sign off on that hiring, even as a Seminole.
and yet in spite of all these short comings FSU is 10-0, amazing, and Fisher is 41-10. A screamer disciplinarian like Saban, aka like Belichick, Parcels, Johnson, Lombardi, Cowher. Sounds just like a coach Bob McNair needs to talk to.
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