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Old 11-18-2013   #21
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I got a feeling Bob and Gary might've had a conversation about this.
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I think GK had to give MS one more chance. I saw him shake his head and cover his eyes a couple of times when Matt was in game. He just had to see if maybe MS had changed miraculously and I think he saw MS is MS. I don't expect to see MS anymore barring injury. I think TJ should be the backup.
MS should be inactive. If he is not sure about TJ now is the time to see.
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Kubiak is ****ing bi polar.
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it's like preseason

first half starter QB

second half backup QB
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I don't expect to see MS anymore barring injury.
I thought this 4 weeks ago.
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I got a feeling Bob and Gary might've had a conversation about this.
I have the same feeling as well. I don't understand Gary's lovefest with Matt Schaub. Houston's over him. His teammates are over him. Kubiak is the only one who can't get over it.
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I think Kubes knows his job is gone. Schaub was his last ditch effort to keep it. He changed QBs in the hopes that Schaub could move the offense down into the red zone and we could perhaps score. It didn't work, Schaub is Schaub, and we lost. He knows nothing will save him now, not even going 8-8 from here on out.

Now that he knows it's over, he's putting Keenum back in because it's what's right for the future. No use in riding Schaub the lame horse anymore.

Just my take on things.
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I have the same feeling as well. I don't understand Gary's lovefest with Matt Schaub. Houston's over him. His teammates are over him. Kubiak is the only one who can't get over it.

uhh u don't know the team is over him ...???????? how do u know that

and it does not matter what Houston thinks they don't make football decisions
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uhh u don't know the team is over him ...???????? how do u know that

and it does not matter what Houston thinks they don't make football decisions
Didn't you see AJ's reaction to Matt Schaub? This team is frustrated. This team knows the season was wasted, partly due to Schaub. Did you see the amount of facepalms when Matt Schaub came in? It's frustrating enough for fans to see Schaub come in. We've seen what he's accomplished. Do you think the players are somehow not aware of how inept Schaub is? They played with him every day. They know he's not going to be our quarterback moving forward.

And yes, the opinion of Houston doesn't matter. It's not like we're a source of revenue or anything.
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How's that Gary's a great HC we just need a new DC thingy working out for you. Remember when I said Gary should be fired after the 2009 and 2010 seasons and you thought Wade could come in and right all of the wrongs?

Would you finally agree that it's time for BoB to clean house and that includes the failure that is Rick Smith and start a new?

If BoB had cared to take care of his business back in 2010 the franchise wouldn't be in the sorry state it is currently in. You disagreed with me then, do you still disagree, or are you begining to see the light?
You've mistaken me for someone else who said that. I never said Wade would come in a right all wrongs, etc. And I would own up to it if I did, so get your facts straight.

But to answer your question . . . YES! I now think it's time for a change.

Happy?

Now, stop derailing the thread.
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Who will the starting coach be for Sunday's game?
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You know, Capers was kind of lost like this toward the end too if you recall. I remember he was pretty much a dead-coach walking toward the last few games of the season and I kind of felt sorry for him. It was impossible not to.

Gary's got that same sound and look today. It's all gotten away from him and he doesn't really understand how that happened or how to get hold of it again.
Jack Pardee had that headset that got crooked when he looked lost. Never helped that the dern thing was not hooked up. Bud just wanted him to look "like a coach".

Rudy T had the puzzled look at the end, too, but his signature was the disheveled tie and crumpled suit.

Larry Dierker got there with the sunflower seed stuck to his lip that his tongue never could remove. Fortunately the camera zoomed in to catch the moment, and his hat being on crooked just completed the picture.

Dom Capers certainly had the look during 2-14. Sort of a mouth agape "duhhh" look with a blank stare. Epitomized the bewildered look.

Now we see Kubiak up in the box, lonely, both hands on his forehead, just wondering what the hell just happened in the past 8 weeks. I really believe him when he says "it's on me" and that he just doesn't know what went wrong and doesn't know how to fix it.

Us H-town fans are becoming pros at recognizing "the look" of head coaches/managers that have lost complete control. That's not a good thing.

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Ok, I'll bite.

He benched Keenum because nobody on offense had it together on picking up the blitz. They were teeing off every single down. He was trying to keep him from becoming a shell shocked turtle like David Carr.

Not that far-fetched. It makes sense if you at least try being a little objective, but I know that's a little too much to ask, so I won't bother.
So, he was doing the young QB a favor by benching him to protect him. I see what you did there, like some kind of jedi fan mind trick.

I know it's not popular, but I'm not completely sold on Case as the future. I certainly like some of what I have seen (like most fans), especially his ability to extend plays and do something special.

But, an NFL QB that cannot read defenses and pick up a blitz won't be an NFL QB for long. Defense now have tape on him, and they see one dimensional when they throw blitzes at him.

And I have wanted to see the "clutch factor" in some form, but his second half performances are not giving me much to believe in right now. And it's not all about being a rookie. We have too many examples the past couple of years of rookie QBs winning games with clutch moments. I want to believe in the dude, but I'm not going to wear blinders to do it. However, I do think they should give him some more time to see if he improves.

Otherwise, time to clean house and use that high draft pick on a [hopefully] franchise QB of the future.
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Jack Pardee had that headset that got crooked when he looked lost. Never helped that the dern thing was not hooked up. Bud just wanted him to look "like a coach".
LMAO!!! I will never ever ever forget Pardee having the headset on and it not being plugged in. All-time classic!!
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I absolutely hate Kubiak's reasoning behind benching Keenum. He wasn't looking beyond the Oakland game at all. Logically, wouldn't you want your inexperienced QB to get the game reps in a hurry up offense?
This is exactly what I was saying yesterday. Either I did a piss poor job getting my point across or people just refused to believe it. He doesn't care about the future, he cares about the now. Winning enough games to save his job is all that matters at this point.
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Why shouldn't that be all that matters to him? His job is to win games, not placate fans.

I wouldn't have done it, but I can certainly see why he did.
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Or call some bootlegs and get him on the edge where he's more productive, or be like Gary and keep calling the same plays cause you are stubbornly stuck on your system?
You mean like the bootleg he ran in the 3rd quarter where Keenum took a 15 yard sack instead of throwing the ball away?

Kubiak has done an awful job of coaching this year (for a few years actually) but the fact that Keenum is borderline untouchable on this board is pathetic.

A lot of you want to talk about Kubiak and accountability. Well Keenum has struggled with the blitz in all 4 games. Hold him accountable and don't throw 100% of it on Kubiak and the O-Line when you threw 100% of it on Schaub 2 months ago.
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Will this be another Keenum starts and Schaub finishes ? I dont know if my blood pressure could take that happening again.
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Why shouldn't that be all that matters to him? His job is to win games, not placate fans.

I wouldn't have done it, but I can certainly see why he did.
Exactly what I was saying yesterday. A lot of fans were pissed about him ruining the future by "benching" Case. What they don't realize is that the future does not matter to Kubiak. Keeping his job is what matters.
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I know it's not popular, but I'm not completely sold on Case as the future. I certainly like some of what I have seen (like most fans), especially his ability to extend plays and do something special.

But, an NFL QB that cannot read defenses and pick up a blitz won't be an NFL QB for long. Defense now have tape on him, and they see one dimensional when they throw blitzes at him.

And I have wanted to see the "clutch factor" in some form, but his second half performances are not giving me much to believe in right now. And it's not all about being a rookie. We have too many examples the past couple of years of rookie QBs winning games with clutch moments. I want to believe in the dude, but I'm not going to wear blinders to do it. However, I do think they should give him some more time to see if he improves.
Yeah, I think he deserves to be given the benefit of the doubt the rest of the season. I'm a little bit more optimistic of his ability to learn how to make the defense pay for blitzing him all the time.

And IMO, we tried that drafting a QB with high pick in the draft stuff. Too risky for my blood. We've got more important needs. You're gonna have to make a real strong case at the end of the season convincing me Keenum is not it. Right now, there are two things about him that stick out. He's mobile, and he throws it accurately downfield. Yeah, right now, he can't read a blitz worth a sh!t.

But that's correctable. Those other two things are not.
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