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Old 11-18-2013   #21
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I have been asking this question for weeks. Does this offense even have a "max protect" package in it?

The WCO has traditionally been a blitz killer. So it is baffling why they are unable to burn a defense who is constantly sending so many defenders.
We're clearly running some version or variation of it that is completely understood by defenses all over the NFL. I think the same could be said for Wade's game too. These two old dogs are old news in todays game and their systems aren't fooling anyone.
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We're clearly running some version or variation of it that is completely understood by defenses all over the NFL. I think the same could be said for Wade's game too. These two old dogs are old news in todays game and their systems aren't fooling anyone.
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I think it is suffice to say that Kubiak's understanding of the offense X and Os far exceeds the knowledge of anyone here on this message board. I have never had a problem with the X and Os of Gary's passing offense.
I think it's safe to say that every Defensive Coordinator this team has faced this season has had a better grasp of the weaknesses in Kubiak's system.
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I said the same thing on this message board. Totally agree with Lance.
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I think it is suffice to say that Kubiak's understanding of the offense X and Os far exceeds the knowledge of anyone here on this message board.
I don't think anyone doubts this. So much so that it need not even be said nor is it relevant.

We are talking about decision-making here. Not knowledge of Xs and Os.

If you want fans to have no opinions and blow off talking about football because, "they know more than me" I am pretty confident you are in the wrong place.
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I didn't have no problem with kubes putting in schaub Case was stinking it up IMO
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I didn't have no problem with kubes putting in schaub Case was stinking it up IMO
Yeah I understand but you're "Norg".
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Yeah I understand but you're "Norg".
case is like 0-4 jus saying im all about WINS

what if case goes 0-10 then obvs Him and matt both suck
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Couldn't agree more with LZ here. I don't care if you like him or not, he's 100% dead-on.
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We're clearly running some version or variation of it that is completely understood by defenses all over the NFL. I think the same could be said for Wade's game too. These two old dogs are old news in todays game and their systems aren't fooling anyone.
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its ok guys, keenum was able to fake spike it. our offensive system is up to date according to some posters here.

what has shanahan really done ever since john elway retired? even his jake plummer led broncos were completely dominated in the playoffs.

Sound familiar?

Its been a long time since those elway bronco glory days. The NFL has evolved. Kubiak and shanhan refuse to because their "system" is a big selling point for their resume and future job status.

They will never admit that their philosophy/system is outdated and needs to adjust and evolve with the times. Same thing with wade and his D. His track record of fixing defenses then totally cratering off the cliff after the first couple years is well documented.

You need an up to date coach who is open minded to the new approaches to the game. Kubiak and wade philipps is from the old school generation where its their way or the highway. They look down on new methods because its a threat to how they do things in their time.

That's the sign of a hard headed arrogant head coach who doesnt like to evolve with the times. You can see it with our restrictive audible system and the lack of the no huddle.

The complete opposite would be bill belicheck, who even in all of his glory found a way to update and evolve with the times when he instituted parts of chip kelly's fast no huddle offense.

One coach has multiple superbowl rings and found a way to evolve and improve with the times, while one coach who has really not done anything of note as a head coach stays close minded, arrogant refusing to change with the times.
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It's not our fault. We're up against it where the cap is concerned. Maybe we can sign more exclamation marks next year if we can get some of the other punctuation to restructure.
I am more concerned with the question marks.

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Yeah I understand but you're "Norg".
Now there's two statements that probably have never before, and probably never will again occupy the same sentence.
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Yes there is, it says, "I feel your pain".
Yeah, I think as a fan base we collectively feel the pain. For many of us old Houston football fans, it has a weird familiarity about it, too.

Unfortunately, it often gets taken out on each other. Even when people are in agreement they take exception to minor details.

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I think it is suffice to say that Kubiak's understanding of the offense X and Os far exceeds the knowledge of anyone here on this message board. I have never had a problem with the X and Os Gary's passing offense. Alex Gibbs fixed the X and Os of the running game. (now in deterioration since his departure) Kubiak's laminated sheet likely has many plays and assignments that Keenum may not be familiar with, O Oline assignments Case may not know or understand. Plays Kubiak wanted to go to to get them out of the 3 and out rut. I still trust Kubiak as an OC more than anyone here.

That said I don't have the same confidence in Kubiak's X and Os for the Defense, or Special Teams, the X and Os of Salary Cap Management, X and Os of talent evaluation and the X and Os the NFL Draft Prep and Operation.
I generally agree about Kubiak's offensive acumen. I have often pointed out Shanahan's admittance that Denver won back-to-back Super Bowls with Kubiak calling plays for both seasons.

However, that said, schemes need to evolve. They need to adapt to the talent available and adjust to different defenses every week. It often feels like Kubiak has that sort of old school Lombardi attitude that "this is what we do and if we execute well nobody can beat us".

I think Kubiak doomed himself with undying loyalty to his QB. I won't put it all on Matt, but dude never had a challenger for his job since he arrived here. And there is absolutely no doubt that the QB is crucial to a team's success from year to year more than any other position. The FO failure to put the best o-line out there to protect an immobile QB did him no favors. And expecting Schaub to consistently be clutch for wins is foolish. He's just not that kind of QB. He's done it from time to time, but he's far from a Captain Comeback guy.

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We're clearly running some version or variation of it that is completely understood by defenses all over the NFL. I think the same could be said for Wade's game too. These two old dogs are old news in todays game and their systems aren't fooling anyone.
I often wonder this season if Schaub's two 4000 yard seasons ultimately became a blueprint for both sides. A blueprint for Kubiak to believe that we just need to keep doing it, and a blueprint for opposing defenses to study and figure it out.

Richard Sherman said it was easy to figure out based on film he watched, not just from this season but from past seasons, as well. He timed it perfect based on tendencies that he saw consistently repeated from year to year. He did not say it in a demeaning way, but rather a very analytical way.
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I think it's safe to say that every Defensive Coordinator this team has faced this season has had a better grasp of the weaknesses in Kubiak's system.
some of that may have to do with the Texans are not the same team of 2011 and have taken a step back every since instead of a step forward.
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I don't think anyone doubts this. So much so that it need not even be said nor is it relevant.

We are talking about decision-making here. Not knowledge of Xs and Os.

If you want fans to have no opinions and blow off talking about football because, "they know more than me" I am pretty confident you are in the wrong place.
where is the incense?
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this guy doesn't know enough stupid people if that is the stupidest thing he has ever heard
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case is like 0-4 jus saying im all about WINS

what if case goes 0-10 then obvs Him and matt both suck
It's not all about wins. Schaub is done here so there is no reason to continue to play him. Keenum is young and could be the future QB. I would like to see Keenum audition for the job for next year and benching him vs. Oakland took away from that.
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Was any team in the playoffs last year afraid of our 12 wins?
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Was any team in the playoffs last year afraid of our 12 wins?
Outside of Cincinnati? Probably not.
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