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Old 11-17-2013   #21
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Stick to the point. Schaub is a garbage QB, but he looked good in this system.

If Keenum is "the truth" this system that turns garbage into wine should make Keenum a God. Not being able to move the ball, or not being able to pick up the blitz has nothing to do with the system.

Several teams use the same system, they don't audible. Each play is adjustable to what the defense shows them.
uh, you're the one who brought up the probowl mvp.

LOL

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Old 11-17-2013   #22
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Yes he should be able to call audibles at times, especially when he sees and all out blitz coming!
^ this post was from 2010 people.

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Peyton has an average time in the pocket of 2.5 seconds. WIth his starting RT out, and a bad neck he has learned to manage his limitations.

We have a turnstyle at RT and we continue to call 5 and 7 step drops with a minimum of 4-5 seconds before anyone is open. We need to make adjustments in a way that minimizes our weaknesses. I just don't ever see Kubiak doing that.
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One of the things I noticed today was that on one of those jail-break blitzes, not a single receiver made a break less than 15 yards out. It was one of the few shots I could see downfield with how the TV covers the game.

How does that happen? After they have been killing you all day sending 6-7 guys -- and the line isn't slowing them down at all (there's was almost always at least one guy unabated to the QB), there is no hot route inside, crossing, a slant, or out to the flat or SOMETHING that doesn't require Case to wait for it to develop?

It just seemed so strange. Even if Case isn't making the read, why isn't a receiver making the read and going to a hot rot of some kind? It's takes two to make the read after all.

I did not understand the scheme here. Totally baffling.
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After the game Kubiak said Hopkins took less snaps as the game went on because he made several mistakes.
So Kubiak was saying that Hopkins failed to give Keenum the hot route he needs on some of those blitzes?
And Kubiak pulled Keenum?
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We continue to call 5 and 7 step drops with a minimum of 4-5 seconds before anyone is open. We need to make adjustments in a way that minimizes our weaknesses.
The deep drops have been driving me nuts. The offensive decision-makers seem to be in complete denial of how bad this line is.
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So Kubiak was saying that Hopkins failed to give Keenum the hot route he needs on some of those blitzes?
And Kubiak pulled Keenum?
Pulled both...
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uh, you're the one who brought up the probowl mvp.

LOL

i see why so many have you on their ignore list.
The point was that Schaub performed well in this system, not that the pro-bowl isn't equivalent to a Super Bowl.
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So Kubiak was saying that Hopkins failed to give Keenum the hot route he needs on some of those blitzes?
And Kubiak pulled Keenum?
That's what it sounded like to me.
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I normally don't chime in, but it's getting stupid around here.

The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.

It's not the same as other systems, but it works.
I think you are not looking at the entire picture.

Yes, this is a great system, but defenses have evolved. Why wouldn't you add wrinkles such as more freedom for the qb to keep up with the defenses.

There are a lot of old techniques and systems that been used to win superbowls. But smart coaches evolve. Doesn't mean you have to scrap everything you do, but coaches should do whatever it takes to help their offense play better.

Not allowing the qb to do more at the line than what kubiak allows in the year 2013 is really just silly.
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I think you are not looking at the entire picture.

Yes, this is a great system, but defenses have evolved. Why wouldn't you add wrinkles such as more freedom for the qb to keep up with the defenses.

There are a lot of old techniques and systems that been used to win superbowls. But smart coaches evolve. Doesn't mean you have to scrap everything you do, but coaches should do whatever it takes to help their offense play better.

Not allowing the qb to do more at the line than what kubiak allows in the year 2013 is really just silly.
The first half of the Seattle game.

No way Schaub could have done what he did there if what we do hasn't evolved with the times. They're #2 in passing defense right now.

It's more likely that Case isn't ready for that right now, that Kubiak is trying to get Case to master his system way too early, instead of doing what Harbaugh, Shanahan, & Carroll did to buy him some time.

Case is looking decent under center, but we should be running more shotgun/pistol, 4 & 5 wides... let the kid do what he knows.

That's the real problem.

Remember that drawing of the bootleg compared to Matt's bootleg? Well, for whatever reason, Case is running backwards like Matt's bootleg. Two games ago, he was running forward. 19 yard sacks....... that's ridiculous.

& I'm not blaming Case.
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Peyton has an average time in the pocket of 2.5 seconds. WIth his starting RT out, and a bad neck he has learned to manage his limitations.

We have a turnstyle at RT and we continue to call 5 and 7 step drops with a minimum of 4-5 seconds before anyone is open. We need to make adjustments in a way that minimizes our weaknesses. I just don't ever see Kubiak doing that.
By 2.5 seconds, Keenum would be just as likely to have time to tie his shoe laces as he would have to having one of his hot read outlet teammate(s) facing him in time to be prepared to receive the ball.
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You got a chuckle out of me here. You have nearly 30,000 posts and posts in almost every thread. What would you consider chiming in?
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The deep drops have been driving me nuts. The offensive decision-makers seem to be in complete denial of how bad this line is.
im not in love with the OL, but i do not think it's THAT bad.

our offensive schema is wack. it seems like there is no hot route on blitzes. if a team is pounding you with the blitz, you gotta use that against them... ala a screen, or hb draw.

i am not sure gary is even a quality OC in this league. i might sign him on as a QB coach, but i still have concerns with that. gary is left in the wake of the ever evolving nfl... and we are the victims. hell, would you even want gary coaching your favorite college team? i sure as hell wouldn't.

at least we only have 6 more games of gary shoving schaub down our throats. maybe ole schaubby can cost us a game vs. jax.
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We have a turnstyle at RT and we continue to call 5 and 7 step drops with a minimum of 4-5 seconds before anyone is open. We need to make adjustments in a way that minimizes our weaknesses. I just don't ever see Kubiak doing that.
Just a thought, but could this be one of the limitations of Case since he's short? I heard a commentator one time mention how a shorter QB takes deeper drops so they can see the field better.
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Just a thought, but could this be one of the limitations of Case since he's short? I heard a commentator one time mention how a shorter QB takes deeper drops so they can see the field better.
no.

5 and 7 step drops are designed for any qb in this system.
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Our no huddle is a joke anyways, not a true no huddle, and the play clock is usually down below 15 before we get the play off, thats plenty of time for the defense to get set with their calls.
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WUT???

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The "restrictive" play calling thing has been in place in this system for a long time. It won Super Bowls with Joe Montana, Steve Young, & John Elway. It made Jake Plummer look like a damn fine QB & it took Matt Schaub to two division championships, two pro Bowls & a pro bowl MVP.
Let's play a game.

It's called: One is Not Like the Other



Okay, ready?

Joe Montana - Steve Young - Matt Schaub

Bill Walsh - George Seifert - Gary Kubiak

Do you need some hints?
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Joe Montana - Steve Young - Matt Schaub

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Yeah but how many Pro Bowl MVP's do Montana and Young have between them?

No seriously, I have no idea.
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Our no huddle is a joke anyways, not a true no huddle, and the play clock is usually down below 15 before we get the play off, thats plenty of time for the defense to get set with their calls.
kubiak's answer to the can schaub audible out of that play in the seattle game told you everything you needed to know about our so called audible system.

just look at the games, how many times have we been up against the clock in late game situations and yet you see our offense still huddling up instead of going no huddle
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