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Old 11-17-2013   #141
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What route do you think he was running? Where is the "post and slow to a 50% trot" on the route tree?... By the way, it was man coverage. He was not hunting for a hole in the zone. Check the video. He did it on the earlier red zone drive also- on the same route.

How many times did Michael Irvin run a post into tight coverage but commit to getting across the corner back? Hundreds of times! Both times, if AJ ran the route with conviction, he would have had an opportunity to make the play (though neither appeared to be great throws)... Still, he needs to be where he is supposed to be. How many games have we won because AJ made a great, physical play in traffic? This could have been another one, maybe... but, he robbed himself of the opportunity.
if you are right... this means AJ does not want to play with Schaub.

i do not blame him, and will back him up on this one.
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AJ is a great player and a special athlete. What I can't understand is why people are so quick to blame everything on a lesser talent (Schaub, for instance), who has a great work ethic, attitude, and sacrifices for the team as well... even things that aren't within his control. Yet, when one of the most gifted humans on the earth fails to run his route on a game deciding play or fails to complete a catch for a TD earlier in the game because of poor technique, nobody wants to hold him accountable for it.

I know AJ is a better player than Matt Schaub and, if there was a way to chart it, AJ would be more responsible for more wins/successes than Schaub...

But, the energized hate and blame the fan base continues to focus on Schaub is outrageous and bizarre. Schaub has been a winner for the organization and has played a lot of good football. He has continued to perform to the best of his abilities but his play has slipped since his injury. His poor play contributed to a disappointing 2-4 start this season... Since he was benched, the Texans have continued to lose (0-4). Still, when he enters the game because Keenum is unable to handle some of the pressure packages in the second half, the crowd booed with so loud and so long that the offense had to go to a silent snap at home... Meanwhile, the same crowd caused no problems for the opposing, rookie QB.

The Texans are not 2-8 because of Matt Schaub. The defense has been brutal in the red zone and inconsistent throughout the year. The special teams has been an unmitigated disaster, and the offensive line has been terrible. None of that is Schaub's fault, nor should he be blamed for going into the game when the coach tells him to.
AJ is far and away a more reliable player than Schaub. The last play was pretty clear from what I saw, a forced throw into triple coverage. Why would you blame it on AJ? How is he failing to run his route when the throw is into triple coverage, straight at a defender? What is it that you are expecting?

The problem with Schaub is that he playing to the best of his abilities isn't worth watching. He's not at all a good player and hasn't been for some time now. And now he wants to start calling AJ out for what, not doing what exactly? Diving into triple coverage on a fourth down throw in which a defender is in perfect position to intercept? That's not what good teammates do. That's not what a leader does. That's what a piss poor player does when he realizes his career is done.

To be quite honest, you are always taking a stance in which I do not agree. There are only a few posters in which I disagree with more often, so it's not all that surprising. I don't mean it as an attack, just simply saying that I disagree with most of what you say. We can agree on the most obvious things, such as "the offensive line is playing poorly," or "this defense isn't performing well," but when it comes to analyzing things that aren't blatantly obvious, I tend to disagree with you.

You say that you watched the Cowboys in their glory days but couldn't watch them anymore because they weren't doing it the "right way" and you despised the leaders of the team. You either a) didn't really watch them play, which I doubt, or b) didn't know what you were watching, because your ability to break things down confuses most everyone it seems. You'd think after decades of watching football, someone would be able to understand better what they are watching.

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on that last play Hopkins and Garrett were wide OPEN


Hopkins was damm near sittin on the 5 yard line

I don't know why u throw it to ANdre when hes blanketed by like 4 Raiders


also matt throw the ball 2 soon he could of stood in the pocket a lot longer the rusher on his left fell right on his face
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AJ is a great player and a special athlete. What I can't understand is why people are so quick to blame everything on a lesser talent (Schaub, for instance), who has a great work ethic, attitude, and sacrifices for the team as well... even things that aren't within his control. Yet, when one of the most gifted humans on the earth fails to run his route on a game deciding play or fails to complete a catch for a TD earlier in the game because of poor technique, nobody wants to hold him accountable for it.

I know AJ is a better player than Matt Schaub and, if there was a way to chart it, AJ would be more responsible for more wins/successes than Schaub...

But, the energized hate and blame the fan base continues to focus on Schaub is outrageous and bizarre. Schaub has been a winner for the organization and has played a lot of good football. He has continued to perform to the best of his abilities but his play has slipped since his injury. His poor play contributed to a disappointing 2-4 start this season... Since he was benched, the Texans have continued to lose (0-4). Still, when he enters the game because Keenum is unable to handle some of the pressure packages in the second half, the crowd booed with so loud and so long that the offense had to go to a silent snap at home... Meanwhile, the same crowd caused no problems for the opposing, rookie QB.

The Texans are not 2-8 because of Matt Schaub. The defense has been brutal in the red zone and inconsistent throughout the year. The special teams has been an unmitigated disaster, and the offensive line has been terrible. None of that is Schaub's fault, nor should he be blamed for going into the game when the coach tells him to.
All valid points, but Schaub has already been identified as damaged goods, and the fans see his presence on field as a step in the wrong direction.
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All valid points, but Schaub has already been identified as damaged goods, and the fans see his presence on field as a step in the wrong direction.
I get it. But, there is a level of respect and civility also. Again, they are 0-4 since he was benched. Boo at the end of the game. Yell at the coaches. Boo a bad play. But, come on!
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I honestly thought when Matt went to the side line he was like, "Coach... uh... I've done about all I can do here, put the kid in."
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Granted, I don't know as much as some, but I don't see how Andre continuing that route fixes anything. He was in triple coverage.

I think he was surprised Schaub even threw it.
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I get it. But, there is a level of respect and civility also. Again, they are 0-4 since he was benched. Boo at the end of the game. Yell at the coaches. Boo a bad play. But, come on!
Weren't you blathering about "freedom of speech" in a different thread?

Take your own advice, sport.
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What route do you think he was running? Where is the "post and slow to a 50% trot" on the route tree?... By the way, it was man coverage. He was not hunting for a hole in the zone. Check the video. He did it on the earlier red zone drive also- on the same route.

How many times did Michael Irvin run a post into tight coverage but commit to getting across the corner back? Hundreds of times! Both times, if AJ ran the route with conviction, he would have had an opportunity to make the play (though neither appeared to be great throws)... Still, he needs to be where he is supposed to be. How many games have we won because AJ made a great, physical play in traffic? This could have been another one, maybe... but, he robbed himself of the opportunity.
Into triple coverage? Really, that was the best option there? "Look, I can throw TDs to AJ too, not my fault he doesn't go up and get them" - Schaub
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Granted, I don't know as much as some, but I don't see how Andre continuing that route fixes anything. He was in triple coverage.

I think he was surprised Schaub even threw it.
More like "I ran my decoy route, why the hell didn't you through to someone who was open"?
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Into triple coverage? Really, that was the best option there? "Look, I can throw TDs to AJ too, not my fault he doesn't go up and get them" - Schaub
Ted Johnson was saying that Andre was upset that Schaub locked in on him and forced the ball to him. He was saying that Schaub should have gone somewhere else with the ball. He ended to route early because he saw it wasn't there (likely to try to get open if Schaub miraculously bought some time).

Really it's a moot point though. I'm sure Schaub won't be the starter here next season and I'm 80% sure kubiak won't be here either.
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Granted, I don't know as much as some, but I don't see how Andre continuing that route fixes anything. He was in triple coverage.

I think he was surprised Schaub even threw it.
No, you know plenty. Some people just can't see whatsoever really going on because they either want to be right and can't objectively think about being wrong or they just have no clue what they are talking about.

Probably a mix of both.
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Ted Johnson was saying that Andre was upset that Schaub locked in on him and forced the ball to him. He was saying that Schaub should have gone somewhere else with the ball. He ended to route early because he saw it wasn't there (likely to try to get open if Schaub miraculously bought some time).

Really it's a moot point though. I'm sure Schaub won't be the starter here next season and I'm 80% sure kubiak won't be here either.
That sounds plausible, reasonable, and like the Schaub I have come to accept. The defense was all over that route. The smart thing was for AJ to break off and find a hole to sit in in case Schaub, who should have been going through his progression, needed to come back to him.

These things happen in systems where the QB and the WRs have to make the same reads and adjustments on the fly.

During the game, it was mentioned that Schaub had also missed a wide open #80 just before that dreaded play. So Johnson may have been doubly pissed.
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schaub is a vet he should no better

He should of gone throw his reads and TO NOTTTT PAnnic in the pocket

U see how Brady and manning do it

Brady stands tall in the pocket and goes throw his reads VERRRYYY fast might I had but he senses the Pocket he will hop aroun in the pocket has long has he has to


Manning will do the same he kinda does the happy feet in the pocket but he will slide to left right or FWD to buy some time
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That sounds plausible, reasonable, and like the Schaub I have come to accept. The defense was all over that route. The smart thing was for AJ to break off and find a hole to sit in in case Schaub, who should have been going through his progression, needed to come back to him.

These things happen in systems where the QB and the WRs have to make the same reads and adjustments on the fly.

During the game, it was mentioned that Schaub had also missed a wide open #80 just before that dreaded play. So Johnson may have been doubly pissed.
We are talking about Schaub here, not Case.
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All valid points, but Schaub has already been identified as damaged goods, and the fans see his presence on field as a step in the wrong direction.
well.........isn't it?
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This about sums up the 2013 season.

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I get it. But, there is a level of respect and civility also. Again, they are 0-4 since he was benched. Boo at the end of the game. Yell at the coaches. Boo a bad play. But, come on!
I'm with you -- I will always promote civility, and I hate hearing people boo players who work their asses off. But, as much as we both hate it, it should be expected that any NFL fanbase will boo the entrance of a QB who had a meltdown and broke the league's pick six record. No avoiding that.

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well.........isn't it?
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I'm with you -- I will always promote civility, and I hate hearing people boo players who work their asses off. But, as much as we both hate it, it should be expected that any NFL fanbase will boo the entrance of a QB who had a meltdown and broke the league's pick six record. No avoiding that.



Yes.
Look at who held it previously and then understand that it's a completely meaningless "record". Interceptions are largely based on luck, and pick 6's even more so. Keenum has thrown a dozen passes that should have been picked off but were dropped by a DB who had a reasonable chance to catch it. Schaub threw plenty of those too, and so did Manning, Brady, Brees, etc.

Schaub has performed poorly for most of this year. He's also flashed some of the old Matt, that makes you think he's not done.

I'm certainly willing to give Keenum time to develop; the season is over. I simply haven't seen anything at this point that makes me think he's going to do so. I just think the pro game is too fast and too complex for him. He's a better Rex Grosman.

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Look at who held it previously and then understand that it's a completely meaningless "record". Interceptions are largely based on luck, and pick 6's even more so. Keenum has thrown a dozen passes that should have been picked off but were dropped by a DB who had a reasonable chance to catch it. Schaub threw plenty of those too, and so did Manning, Brady, Brees, etc.

Schaub has performed poorly for most of this year. He's also flashed some of the old Matt, that makes you think he's not done.

I'm certainly willing to give Keenum time to develop; the season is over. I simply haven't seen anything at this point that makes me think he's going to do so. I just think the pro game is too fast and too complex for him. He's a better Rex Grosman.

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the keenum that we have seen is miles better than the "old matt" you refer to.
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