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Old 11-17-2013   #61
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At 2-8 he says this? Lol
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and i've earned my right to speak up as a texans fan!
Earned? How? You have the right. There is no requirement to earn it. Who suggested you didn't have a right? I just think you have exercised your right in a way that makes you look like a two year old kid throwing a fit because his mom won't give him anymore candy.

By the way, does anyone see the irony that the most vocal critics of the team and the players are also the ones so outraged that Ben Tate exercised his right to speak his mind?
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Earned? How? You have the right. There is no requirement to earn it. Who suggested you didn't have a right? I just think you have exercised your right in a way that makes you look like a two year old kid throwing a fit because his mom won't give him anymore candy.

By the way, does anyone see the irony that the most vocal critics of the team and the players are also the ones so outraged that Ben Tate exercised his right to speak his mind?
you mean the ones truly invested emotionally in this team and got upset a player spoke out about our freedom of speech? how dare us
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Earned? How? You have the right. There is no requirement to earn it. Who suggested you didn't have a right? I just think you have exercised your right in a way that makes you look like a two year old kid throwing a fit because his mom won't give him anymore candy.
I exercised my right in a way of someone who has been with houston pro football teams my entire life through the worst times only to have someone who has only been here 3-4 years complain about a fanbase who is fed up with a team that has lost 8 in a row and has never won ****
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you mean the ones truly invested emotionally in this team and got upset a player spoke out about our freedom of speech? how dare us
What did Tate say about "freedom of speech"? He made a comment alluding to fans being fickle. Basically, he was upset with how his teammate and QB was treated. I'm missing any discussion of the Bill of Rights, and I see no hint that he believes fans shouldn't be free to express themselves. He just didn't like what they had to say... and I don't blame him.
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What a candy ass, the lot of them that have anything negative to say about the fans. Get your damn head out of the stands and play ball...your paid to play ball. When you win, we cheer, when you suck we boo...deal with it! There is a differenece between losing and ongoing suckitude. No freaking rainbows here. They are booing call to put Schaub in the game, and the play calling from that point forward, not you Tate. You have broken ribs and continue to play...that takes big sack to do that, but fair weather...that's laughable.
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I exercised my right in a way of someone who has been with houston pro football teams my entire life through the worst times only to have someone who has only been here 3-4 years complain about a fanbase who is fed up with a team that has lost 8 in a row and has never won ****
So, my 12 year old son has only been passionately following the Texans for about 4 years... does that mean he is less entitled to his thoughts/feelings about the Texans than you?

By the way, the idea that the Texans mean more to you than Ben Tate is either blatantly false or you have a serious crisis with your priorities.
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What did Tate say about "freedom of speech"? He made a comment alluding to fans being fickle. Basically, he was upset with how his teammate and QB was treated. I'm missing any discussion of the Bill of Rights, and I see no hint that he believes fans shouldn't be free to express themselves. He just didn't like what they had to say... and I don't blame him.
he directly criticized our ability to boo when we choose to and insulted us.....thats the same thing as complaining about our ability to say or yell what we want, thus complaining about freedom of speech, its a pointless remark that gets him nothing but back lash.....he deserves the crap hes getting now

did you know 80 said something similar after the game, but not quite as stupid.....notice no one is saying anything about that....tate can not like it all he wants, but to insult us by saying were fickle and bandwagon fans is just ridiculous.
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So, my 12 year old son has only been passionately following the Texans for about 4 years... does that mean he is less entitled to his thoughts/feelings about the Texans than you?

By the way, the idea that the Texans mean more to you than Ben Tate is either blatantly false or you have a serious crisis with your priorities.
no wonder people ignore you....
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He is playing with three broken ribs... I hate fans that think they are entitled to be ignorant, judgmental, and oblivious to truth.
I hate players who complain about fans. Bust your ass, cash your checks, and STFU.
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Yet another player to call out Houston's ridiculously fair weather fans. Add Foster and Watt (amongst others) and pretty soon no one will want to play here. Rightfully so.
12 years of sellouts. 2 playoff appearances. Real fair weather fans.
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So, my 12 year old son has only been passionately following the Texans for about 4 years... does that mean he is less entitled to his thoughts/feelings about the Texans than you?

By the way, the idea that the Texans mean more to you than Ben Tate is either blatantly false or you have a serious crisis with your priorities.
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By the way, the idea that the Texans mean more to you than Ben Tate is either blatantly false or you have a serious crisis with your priorities.
when did i say the texans are more important to me than ben tate?

now you're just making up stuff.

he's been here a couple of years. he doesn't know what the fans went through before he came here.

he wasn't here when reliant was still selling out during 2-14 seasons.

to call fans "wishy-washy" when they've lost 8 in a row and are fed up with the coaching staff is not wise. nobody is giving out hand claps for the trash they put out on the field every single week,.

he should keep that **** to himself.
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So, my 12 year old son has only been passionately following the Texans for about 4 years... does that mean he is less entitled to his thoughts/feelings about the Texans than you?

By the way, the idea that the Texans mean more to you than Ben Tate is either blatantly false or you have a serious crisis with your priorities.

Rediculous. Tate only cares about how he performs, where his check comes from and War Eagle. He protects whoever signs his paycheck and that's it.
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he's been here a couple of years. he doesn't know what the fans went through before he came here.

he wasn't here when reliant was still selling out during 2-14 seasons.
To be fair, it's a new team every year. You can't be blaming this team for the 2-14 season & it's not fair to take out 8 years of frustration on this team.

This team has given you enough to be frustrated over anyway, so I don't think that really matters.
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Tate was actually correct, sort of like Ed Reed was like week. in both cases probably better not say anything (or use coded corporate language) than actually say the obvious about fans being fickle or the Texans management being outcoached.
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Tate was actually correct, sort of like Ed Reed was like week. in both cases probably better not say anything (or use coded corporate language) than actually say the obvious about fans being fickle or the Texans management being outcoached.
You know, I was at the game today. Every seat wasn't full, but there were a lot of people there.

I was pouting, early, because we couldn't move the ball & those spectacular plays just weren't happening. We turned the ball over twice & allowed the Raiders to score 14 points with little resistance.

We kept going 3 & out against the Raiders defense (as bad as ours) & I wasn't enjoying myself.

But the people around me..... they were enjoying what they were watching. They were into the game, making noise on defense, applauding, screaming & shouting "FIRST DOWN!!" when they should. The kiss cam, the jump cam, the fan cam all went around & you could see people enjoying themselves all over the place.

When Bullock hit his field goal, they cheered. When Keyshawn had a good return, they cheered. When he returned one for a TD they went wild.

The reporters decided to focus on the bad & Ben took the bait. I'm sure Ben was just as upset as the rest of us when McCain gave up his first touchdown of the evening. & the second one. I'm sure he was upset when we couldn't pick up 3rd & 1... multiple times.

I'm sure he wasn't happy when he realized the losing streak extended to 8 games.

It's cool for you to say he was right, that the fans are fickle... but he should have said, "I'm upset too. I don't like losing."


If he was honest, he would have been booing too.
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Fans boo at the game and some among our number have done some really dumb crap w/r/t Schaub this year, and the players respond in kind. We all need to step back and see that we're all frustrated rather than just fire back.

Tate also had some people harassing him directly on Twitter immediately post-game, so maybe he was venting about that as well.
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Let's say you go to a game with just your wife or girlfriend, that's $200. Parking, $30. pregame food and drink, $50. food and drink during the game $75. Souvenirs $50. and 8 hours of my day. this is $355 per game plus my time and he thinks he has the right to complain about me? screw him. he makes $900,000 this year. it doesnt cost him a dime to watch this travesty of a season. in fact he will be gone after this year.

screw you ben tate. screw you and the horse your rode in on.
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Teams win = RAH RAH RAH.
Teams suck= BOO BOO BOO

Elementary, my dear fan.
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Most "Houston Sports Fans" are the worst sort of bandwagonning, self-entitled, embarrassments to the city we have going for us. I have personally been embarrassed multiple times just from hearing fans boo the offense when like the first two drives don't result in 8 points a piece due to the starting QB. Or fans going to players houses (It's happened more than once).

It seems like a lot of fans feel like we're entitled to some sort of juggernaut franchise because of how miserable football history has been in Houston. Sure, changes are wanted by the fan base, but holy crap at least cheer for them when they are on the field. I'm not saying you don't have a right to boo your team whenever you feel like it, but I wouldn't get all offended when players notice it and talk about it.
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