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Old 11-15-2013   #421
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All I Really Need To Know About Football learned by playing Madden 07 <---linky

And then there's this, from Madden himself:




Madden describes himself as "never a good player" of Madden NFL, and prefers to watch others play. Although retiring from broadcasting in 2009, he nonetheless continues to participate in each Madden's development:

He breaks down upcoming rules changes. He brings up concussions, helmet-to-helmet hits and gimmick quarterbacks. A digression on how the Dome Patrol-era Saints used to frustrate Bill Walsh's 49ers teams with short linebacker drops becomes a lecture on the obsolescence of the fullback, which then morphs into a short aside on player character.

Coaches and players have said that Madden has influenced their play, and football broadcasts on television use Madden-like visual cues to more closely resemble it. The NFL reportedly considers the series its "33rd franchise", because each week during the season EA Sports receives the same searchable film database of every play that each of the league's 32 teams do.


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LoL...would've never seen that had you not quoted it. I'm guessing that was in response to what I said earlier.

Madden and ncaa actually can teach people about some football things. Strategies, plays, player attributes, schemes, reading defenses, angles...ect..

Doesn't mean you can play madden and become an nfl coach, but you can learn quite a bit. It's actually become a damn good simulation.

Thanks for that article. Hadn't read that before.
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I haven't bought Madden since 09. I no longer have anyone to play with and I'm not good enough to play online. My son was the only one that really played me. He went to a Christian High School in 2010 and enlisted in the Marines shortly there after. *sniff sniff* Ha, jk

Loved playing the game though. I've heard the graphics and gameplay is completely different, so I'd really suck now
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LoL...would've never seen that had you not quoted it. I'm guessing that was in response to what I said earlier.

Madden and ncaa actually can teach people about some football things. Strategies, plays, player attributes, schemes, reading defenses, angles...ect..

Doesn't mean you can play madden and become an nfl coach, but you can learn quite a bit. It's actually become a damn good simulation.

Thanks for that article. Hadn't read that before.
NFL Network did a story on the Madden franchise in the off-season, and they said it has heavily influenced football because so many kids are learning play diagrams, receiver route trees, strategy, game management, and a host of other things about football. Advanced concepts that were often not taught in the past until players reached college, but now they know them in Pop Warner. They even interviewed some young NFL players who said so much of their understanding of the various aspects of football came from playing Madden.

I think folks that do not play Madden have no idea how much goes into the game. John Madden has always said that he wanted it to be a learning tool in addition to a fun game, and that attitude has been a common thread in the series for 25 years. He wouldn't even put his name on the game in the late '80's until technology allowed 11 man teams. He refused to endorse a watered down version of the game he loves.

People can poo-poo it all they want, but that attitude does not change reality.
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NFL Network did a story on the Madden franchise in the off-season, and they said it has heavily influenced football because so many kids are learning play diagrams, receiver route trees, strategy, game management, and a host of other things about football. Advanced concepts that were often not taught in the past until players reached college, but now they know them in Pop Warner. They even interviewed some young NFL players who said so much of their understanding of the various aspects of football came from playing Madden.

I think folks that do not play Madden have no idea how much goes into the game. John Madden has always said that he wanted it to be a learning tool in addition to a fun game, and that attitude has been a common thread in the series for 25 years. He wouldn't even put his name on the game in the late '80's until technology allowed 11 man teams. He refused to endorse a watered down version of the game he loves.

People can poo-poo it all they want, but that attitude does not change reality.

Wow...I did not know that. Sometimes I think I'm on an island thinking some things, so it's cool to know that there are actual facts/accounts to back up these "silly" ideas I have sometimes.

Very cool stuff DB. Would rep if I could.
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I haven't bought Madden since 09. I no longer have anyone to play with and I'm not good enough to play online. My son was the only one that really played me. He went to a Christian High School in 2010 and enlisted in the Marines shortly there after. *sniff sniff* Ha, jk

Loved playing the game though. I've heard the graphics and gameplay is completely different, so I'd really suck now
Honestly, I really don't even play online anymore. I'm mostly content with franchise mode and occasionally playing someone else head to head.
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People can poo-poo it all they want, but that attitude does not change reality.
Valid points on the play of the game.

I would say many of the belittling comments are in response to off-season/GM moves on trades and such.
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Honestly, I really don't even play online anymore. I'm mostly content with franchise mode and occasionally playing someone else head to head.
I stopped playing online many years ago. I do not have the quick reflexes required to compete with the young people, nor do I have the time to devote to absorbing playbooks like the average rabid online gamer.

I just have fun with the various modes of running a franchise. Even funnier is doing the EA game face thing with your own picture. I get a kick out of seeing myself on the sidelines or in games.

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Valid points on the play of the game.

I would say many of the belittling comments are in response to off-season/GM moves on trades and such.
Yeah, I get and agree with the off-season/GM thing, because so many of the ideas are a bit whacky and unrealistic.

Madden has tried to replicate some of the front office stuff with salary cap management and more realistic trades, but still just a simulation of the real thing in that regard. If anything, it makes me sort of understand how complicated a GM's job can be, so I try not to act like I know what's up in a real FO in that regard.
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I've never played the game because I wasn't even good at Pong. I just don't have whatever it takes.

These remarks though sure are enlightening. I had no idea and have always poo pooed the Madden references. I had no idea regarding the complexity and intricacies of the game.

I don't recall any contrary remarks on my part concerning the game but if I have, my apologies. If I knew anyone with the console and the game I'd like to check it out now.
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Texans Chick just posted a great piece about this subject.

And in her article, she posted a link to the following story during last year's playoffs:

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More importantly, Flacco left one of the Ravens' most important players with a distinctly unimpressed feeling. Talking to SIRIUS NFL Radio on Monday, mega-safety Ed Reed said that Flacco underperformed against Houston's aggressive defense.

"They had a lot of guys in the box on him and they were giving [the pass] to him," Reed said. "I think a couple of times he needed to get rid of the ball. It just didn't look like he had a hold on the offense. I don't know how much of [that was] the play calling … but it just didn't look like he had a hold on the offense, you know, of times past … It was just kind of like they [were] telling him [what] to do -- throw the ball or get it here, you know, get it to certain guys."

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"He can't play like [he did against the Texans]," Reed continued. "One specific play that sticks out to me was when Ray Rice came out and got pushed out of the backfield and [Flacco] still threw him the ball and he had Torrey Smith on the outside. I can see that sitting on the sideline or sitting in the stands. You don't know what someone else is seeing."

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Reed has always been a very vocal leader, both in good times and bad.
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ed reed is a jet!.just before their game with the Ravens..........
and look just as bad as he did playing for the Texans....

He was done about 2 years ago...
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and look just as bad as he did playing for the Texans....

He was done about 2 years ago...
You know, of course, we have always shared the same opinion.

In playing 70+ snaps, he managed to eek out some impressive stats........ 3 tackles, 2 of which were gang tackles.............

Also interesting to note is that Before Ed Reed joined the Jets, he was courted by Tom Brady
.................almost another AJ-like acquisition............

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Houston wanted to evaluate younger talent, with the team in a seven-game tailspin, and Reed was not playing much. More to the point, he and defensive coordinator Wade Phillips never established a trust or relationship, according to sources with knowledge of the situation, with them having philosophical differences from the onset.

Things were “awkward” from their initial meeting when the Texans had Reed in for a free-agent visit this offseason, sources said, and Reed was mystified by the lack of sophistication in the team's defensive schemes, with a limited number of coverages, red zone, calls, etc. It was not nearly as elaborate as what he was accustomed to with the Ravens and Reed was torn as to how much angst to express to teammates and coaches, since he only just signed with the team a few months back and had not built up any currency there.

Reed could not justify some of the concepts and approaches the Texans take and he was making a very limited impact in their defense. With Ryan there is an immediate bond and Reed has a thorough knowledge of the defense. With Ryan he can act as a coach if need be, will be able to position others and can teach the young players. Ryan believes Reed can still dissuade quarterbacks from the throwing the deep ball, sources said, and believes he can scheme up opportunities for the ballhawk to get his hand on the football, while realizing Reed is not going to be heavily involved in the run game and has some limitations at this stage of his career, as well.
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and look just as bad as he did playing for the Texans....

He was done about 2 years ago...
You nailed it in the off-season. You watched him for his entire career and knew last season was his last to be a productive player.

And in our intoxicated koolaide delusions, we thought you were just being bitter.

But, you were right on the money. And while listening to you would have have changed a damn thing with regards to the Texans signing Reed, at least we could have avoided any unrealistic expectations about the player.

Unless the last name is Brady or Manning, I am no longer going to cheer the Texans signing overpriced, used up, washed out past-their-prime players.
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You know, of course, we have always shared the same opinion.

In playing 70+ snaps, he managed to eek out some impressive stats........ 3 tackles, 2 of which were gang tackles.............
I feel bad for Texans fans- not easy to feel like you got fleeced by someone who you thought would put your team over the top.
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You nailed it in the off-season. You watched him for his entire career and knew last season was his last to be a productive player.

And in our intoxicated koolaide delusions, we thought you were just being bitter.

But, you were right on the money. And while listening to you would have have changed a damn thing with regards to the Texans signing Reed, at least we could have avoided any unrealistic expectations about the player.

Unless the last name is Brady or Manning, I am no longer going to cheer the Texans signing overpriced, used up, washed out past-their-prime players.
I got pretty beat up by people here but then lost my composure and lowered my standards for which I paid the price.

But my assessment of Reed's play was based on unbiased observance of his play since 2002. I stopped rooting for the names on the back of jerseys back in the 80's- I root for the name on the front of the jersey so its easy for me to assess a player's performance.

Ed was done 2 years ago- he hurt his hip initially against the Texans in the playoff game in Baltimore in 2010. Never really recovered from that.
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Didn't the Jets say Reed was going to help prevent the long ball?

If so, I just watching the Bills/Jets highlights
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Hey at least Ed Reed kept his losing streak alive.
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If I was in Ed Reeds position I would have done the exact same thing.

Not his fault the Texans didn't perform their due diligence on him.

This whole fiasco is on the Texans.

Anyone in the Texans organization bother to check out the team doctors?

There has been a pattern of ineptitude.

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If I was in Ed Reeds position I would have done the exact same thing.

Not his fault the Texans didn't perform their due diligence on him.

This whole fiasco is on the Texans.

Anyone in the Texans organization bother to check out the team doctors?

There has been a pattern of ineptitude.

Oh you are correct that the Texans did not perform their due diligence but perhaps it was clouded by the star power of a SB winning, 1st ballot HoFer and his assurances that he would be ok.
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Stay classy Ed....

@RavensInsider: Ed reed on texans 'that defense is not a good fit for a lot of people not just me the truth is the truth'
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@RavensInsider: Ed reed on texans 'that defense is not a good fit for a lot of people not just me the truth is the truth'
Meh - it's the truth. Many if us thought he wasn't a good fit even if healthy.
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